13 Reasons Why on Netflix

[Broadway Joe]

Posted: 4/24/17 at 11:59am

Anyone else watch this yet? I started it last night and I'm already 6 episodes in. I probably won't check back in with this thread until I'm done since it's a very hard show to talk about without spoilers. I do have a few complaints with the show but I definitely keep watching to see what happens. Spoilers below since Netflix releases all the episodes in one day. 

 

 

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At the moment I care more about Clay than Hannah. I'm really curious to get up to the point where they explain why he is included in the tapes. That's the main reason I keep watching right away. 

 

Updated On: 4/24/17 at 11:59 AM

[hork]

Posted: 4/24/17 at 12:59pm

I started out hating it but then I got addicted and ended up binge watching it over a couple of days. And I rarely binge watch TV shows. It's very good, but deeply sad and often hard to watch. And yeah, the anticipation of Clay's tape was the most compelling part for me. I knew it was going to make me cry, and I wasn't wrong.

[hork]

Posted: 4/24/17 at 1:06pm

There are no spoilers in your spoiler box, by the way.

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 4/24/17 at 1:40pm

Poorly written and executed, beyond the very basic fact they fail to address depression and mental disorders. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/04/17/suicide-13-reasons-why-mental-illness-column/100562428/

[hork]

Posted: 4/24/17 at 2:07pm

They didn't fail to address mental illness or depression, it's just not about them. That article was written by a teenager. 

Updated On: 4/24/17 at 02:07 PM

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 4/24/17 at 2:09pm

It may have been written by a teenager but she's smarter than any of the writers of 13 Reasons Why. The article is sot on, espcially this "Clay doesn’t see suicidal warning signs and direct Skye to someone who actually can — an adult who could make sure she sees a mental health professional. Instead, he presumably saves her just by being nice; that’s not how suicide works."

I turned it off after the second episode. Truly awful. 

Updated On: 4/24/17 at 02:09 PM

[dramamama611]

Posted: 4/24/17 at 2:20pm

It totally glorifies suicide.  So did the book.

[hork]

Posted: 4/24/17 at 2:21pm

If you've only seen two episodes you have no opinion here. The first two episodes are bad but it gets much better. 

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 4/24/17 at 2:25pm

The two episodes I saw glorified suicide enough I knew there was no way I could stomach the rest of it. I also read the book, which is just as bad as the series.

[hork]

Posted: 4/24/17 at 2:25pm

Also, I resent the way that this writer thinks she knows how suicide "works," or that it only "works" in a certain way. And Skye wasn't even contemplating suicide. That's not what was going on. 

[hork]

Posted: 4/24/17 at 2:27pm

It does the opposite of glorifying suicide. It makes it look horrifying and not at all the answer. 

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 4/24/17 at 2:30pm

As a therapist who has been working with depressed adolescents for over 15 years I can assure you it gets everything about suicide 100% wrong.

[hork]

Posted: 4/24/17 at 2:39pm

How do you know, if you've only seen two episodes?

[Call_me_jorge]

Posted: 4/24/17 at 2:47pm

I've seen the first two episodes and I'm not really a fan. I think it drags and the story is kind of cliche. I've heard a spoiler and I'm not quite sure if it's true, but....

 

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As someone who has wanted to kill themselves I find it quite bothersome that they show the suicide. 

This show most definitely glorifies suicide.

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 4/24/17 at 2:49pm

Yes. It glorifies suicide in the very first episode.

And hork, like I said, I read the book.

[hork]

Posted: 4/24/17 at 2:49pm

Any opinions from someone who's actually seen the show?

[Blockhead24]

Posted: 4/24/17 at 3:04pm

It was so hard to watch but I'm glad that I did. It reinforced things that should be common sense but often aren't like being nice to people --you don't know what's going on in their life.

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 4/24/17 at 4:27pm

hork said: "Any opinions from someone who's actually seen the show?"

 

I gave you my opinion and yes, I watched the entire series. You just didn't care to actually engage. It fails to address mental illness, depression and the need for professional counseling. Beyond that, the writing is akin to those horrible teen soap operas on ABC Family and the casting is completely off. We're supposed to believe Tony is in high school? Give me a break. 

[HenryTDobson]

Posted: 4/24/17 at 5:22pm

I also binged the entire series and that sentence alone demonstrates why this television show is not helping depressed or suicidal teens. The show 100% glorifies suicide and they hook people in by setting it up in the same vein as shows like Scandal or How to Get Away with Murder. I love a bad overly dramatic tv show, but when you're exploring topics that will be super influential on teens, you have to be more careful in how it's presented. 

I do like the cast though. Both actors that portray Clay and Hannah are super strong and do a good job with the intense material. I look forward to seeing what they do next with their careers.

Updated On: 4/24/17 at 05:22 PM

[hork]

Posted: 4/24/17 at 6:49pm

Liza's Headband said: "hork said: "Any opinions from someone who's actually seen the show?"

 

I gave you my opinion and yes, I watched the entire series. You just didn't care to actually engage. It fails to address mental illness, depression and the need for professional counseling.

Again, the show isn't about mental illness or clinical depression. It's about bullying and its consequences. There are lots of other works that address depression, so maybe you could check out one of those instead of criticizing this show for what it isn't.

Erik - The show is not the book. How does something even get suicide "100% wrong," anyway? Every suicide is different. There's no wrong or right way to write it.

I don't see how anyone could walk away from this show thinking it glorifies suicide, when it does everything short of holding up a sign saying "Suicide is bad." Does anyone think it makes suicide look appealing, like something you might like to try? Because I feel like that's on you.

[dramamama611]

Posted: 4/24/17 at 7:38pm

So, really, Hork, you are just looking for people that will agree with you, yes?  

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/tv/netflix-series-13-reasons-why-glorifies-suicide-mental-health-experts-n749551

 

http://www.fox25boston.com/news/experts-urge-caution-in-letting-teens-watch-13-reasons-why/515686064

 

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article146203544.html

 

http://mashable.com/2017/04/19/13-reasons-why-suicide-portrayal/#O8aY9rprkSqb

 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/91705246/13-reasons-why-glorifies-suicide-in-the-worst-way

[hork]

Posted: 4/24/17 at 8:00pm

dramamama611 said: "So, really, Hork, you are just looking for people that will agree with you, yes?  

No, but apparently you are. 
 

[HenryTDobson]

Posted: 4/24/17 at 9:55pm

"I don't see how anyone could walk away from this show thinking it glorifies suicide, when it does everything short of holding up a sign saying "Suicide is bad." Does anyone think it makes suicide look appealing, like something you might like to try? Because I feel like that's on you."

As someone who works with middle-high school students, I don't think it matters what the intention of this show was - it highlights suicide as a "cool" thing to do. Sure, it clearly presents the horrors of suicide and the detrimental reasons that causes a person to do such an act. But it also shows suicide as a tool for revenge, as a means to gain attention from your peers, and as an "artistic" or "creative" way of coping with your problems. As horrible (and, quite frankly, mortifying) as the scene with the actual suicide is, kids may look past that and find similarities to their own problems with Hannah's, justifying the need for them to also commit suicide.

Do I think we'll be seeing a huge increase in suicides across the country solely because of this show? No. But art like this (and to an extent, Dear Evan Hansen) can have serious consequences on our younger generation.

[Broadway Joe]

Posted: 4/25/17 at 12:31pm

I just finished the last episode and my personal takeaway from it was anything but it glorifying suicide. I think it highlighted how awful it is and how much it affects the ones she left behind like her parents and Clay. I think it shows how the people who did stuff to Hannah don't really realize how their actions truly affected her until after the fact.

Sure the format of her recording the tapes of the reasons why(which I knew nothing about going into the series which is I why I put spoiler tags before) definitely brings a different element into the whole story. I can definitely understand how that revenge aspect of it can be seen as something someone would copy.

Personally I cared more about Clays story than Hannahs and I think that's one aspect of this series that they really got wrong. For me I felt more bad for him than her. It really felt more like his series than Hannahs. Dylan Minnette who played Clay was just fantastic in this series for me at least, he was the main reason I kept watching. 

I just thought the actual suicide scene really showed how awful it can be, she had completely given up and was all by herself in her mind and in that moment. Her parents discovering her was heartbreaking. 

I do agree about the casting for some of these roles. Some definitely looked older than others and so many had tattoos, those that did looked like they intentionally had them just for the series too which I thought was a very odd choice. 

To me depression and thoughts of suicide or mental illness is something that is so personal that there really is no correct way to go about this topic. Everyone is going to have different experiences and feelings on this topic. 

 

 

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I really wanted to see Bryce get what he deserved, even if it was something as quick as seeing him open the door to cops at the door. He really was a disgusting human being. 

 

Updated On: 4/25/17 at 12:31 PM

[Broadway Joe]

Posted: 4/25/17 at 12:41pm

hork said: "Also, I resent the way that this writer thinks she knows how suicide "works," or that it only "works" in a certain way. And Skye wasn't even contemplating suicide. That's not what was going on. 

 

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I forget her exact words but she said something like suicide is for the weak in one of the episodes. I never felt like she was contemplating suicide either cause we really never find out that much about her.