Academy takes historic action to increase diversity- Page 2

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 1/23/16 at 9:14pm

More like Dave19 is a crazy race troll. 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/23/16 at 9:20pm

DaveNeinSchnell!

[Call_me_jorge]

Posted: 1/23/16 at 9:47pm

If they want the academy to be racially and ethnically diverse they need to have the percentage of voters/nominatiors match up with the percentage of people in the industry. If there are 12% of gay people on the industry then there should be 12% of voters/nominatiors who are gay. If there are 38% of black people in the industry there should 38% of black people who are voters/nominatiors. That is the only way they will be FAIR.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/23/16 at 9:51pm

"In the industry" isn't going to get anybody anywhere.  Reflective of the general population would be the way to go. Get to 50.4 or 5% female and you're moving in the right direction.

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 1/23/16 at 10:57pm

Just think of the great work that will be passed over and dismissed because of this decision!

 

Oh, wait.  This is the Oscars we're talking about. 

[AEA AGMA SM]

Posted: 1/23/16 at 11:46pm

All those old white guys who are going to be out of a job! Won't somebody please think of the old white guys?!?!

[Dave19]

Posted: 1/24/16 at 6:19am

FindingNamo said: "the voting body in charge of deciding what is "the best" happens to be 93% white, 76% males and with a median age of 63? "

 

Are you seriously suggesting that the voting body should favour actors with characteristics as their own?

 

That's adorable.

 

I'm glad the voting body never did that so far. Last time I checked there were plenty of female oscar winners under 63. That happens if they give the best performance and the voting body is professional.

 

Updated On: 1/24/16 at 06:19 AM

[Dave19]

Posted: 1/24/16 at 6:25am

Taryn said: "1) The epitome of racism is not, in fact, diversifying the Academy membership.  It's probably something more along the lines of, I dunno, hundreds of years of slavery based on skin color.  You know, something along those lines."

 

The only thing that counts is 100% objectiveness. I seriously doubt that hundreds of years of slavery based on skin color works out well for that objectiveness if you put people in the Academy who have a big problem with that.

 

Updated On: 1/24/16 at 06:25 AM

[adamgreer]

Posted: 1/24/16 at 9:01am

Thank you to Namo and everyone else in this thread that's fighting the good fight. 

[Dave19]

Posted: 1/24/16 at 9:56am

If I were a black actor, I would send a thank you note to the academy, for NOT looking at race, but purely at performances. That is why it is PERFECTLY possible for a certain race to not be nominated in whatever season.

 

Forcing them to judge on race is the beginning of the end. 

 

Deliberately maintaining that separation at every possible scenario is NOT the good fight.

 

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 1/24/16 at 10:54am

Yeah the Academy should just keep doing what it's doing. Because decades of old white guys picking the nominees has kept the Oscars relevant and has been great for ratings!

[Taryn]

Posted: 1/24/16 at 11:03am

The only thing that counts is 100% objectiveness. I seriously doubt that hundreds of years of slavery based on skin color works out well for that objectiveness if you but people in the Academy who have a big problem with that.

 

You're right, hundreds of years of slavery works out terrible for objectiveness.  It's almost like it still has effects in the world today that limit the opportunities and recognition of people in color throughout tons of different industries, including film.  It's almost like voting on Oscar nominees can't be 100% objective when white actors and artists are overwhelmingly given opportunity and publicity over artists of color.

 

And once again, there is nothing in the article about dictating who is nominated.  It is about revising membership standards so that members who are no longer relevant to the industry -- those who have not been working in film for a decade -- are retired so that newer voices can be included in the conversation.  You know all those studies about how boards of directors who have larger diversification actually bring greater profit?  A diverse set of voices brings more ideas and creativity to the table than a homogenous one.

 

At least say what you mean: based on the history of Oscar nominations and wins, you think that white men are objectively a more talented group than any other.

Updated On: 1/24/16 at 11:03 AM

[Dave19]

Posted: 1/24/16 at 11:06am

ErikJ972 said: " decades of old white guys picking the nominees "

 

And the skin color of the people picking the nominees should be important for their decisions, why?

 

[Dave19]

Posted: 1/24/16 at 11:09am

Taryn, I see your point, people no longer in the business can be replaced, but that has nothing to do with race.

Neither do the nominations for performances.

 

Anyone pulling race into this case is wrong.

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 1/24/16 at 11:48am

Why does this matter to you so much, Dave?

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 1/24/16 at 11:52am

Because race trolling makes his peepee hard. 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/24/16 at 11:57am

Dave keeps ignoring all the research that proves the deleterious effects of institutional racial bias and repeats Palin-esque bullet points that do nothing but reaffirm how wrong he is.

 

Talking about racism isn't racist, but saying there is no racism is.

[Dave19]

Posted: 1/24/16 at 12:11pm

FindingNamo said: "but saying there is no racism is."

 

Why on earth could it not be possible that your favourite race is not nominated in the top of each category? Please explain.

 

Just because you live by judging race, doesn't mean everyone else does that.

 

You seriously need a black guy, a gay guy and a 70+ person nominated because it makes you feel better, no matter their performances?

 

You really think the Academy would deliberately ignore an oscar winning performance completely because someone is black? If anything, they feel pressure too, because if you ask me (random example) Jennifer Hudson is not an outstanding actress at all and yet, she won. You really think this kind of pressure is right?

 

We should write a "thank you" note to the Academy for not looking at race. That is the beginning of a better world. 

 

 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/24/16 at 12:15pm

Why on earth could it not be possible that your favourite race is not nominated in the top of each category? Please explain.

 

I just stopped at this part of your post, because, once again when you aren't talking in simplistic bumper stickers YOU MAKE NO SENSE.

[Jane2]

Posted: 1/24/16 at 12:16pm

Ok, it's clear to me now. Because Dave is living in a dream world that has no racism, he trusts that everyone on the Academy Voting team lives there too, and that none of them is racist.

 

That is the most racist revelation you've made so far, Dave.

 

 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/24/16 at 12:18pm

Oops, I went back and finished.

 

You really think the Academy would deliberately ignore an oscar winning performance completely because someone is black?

 

Your use of the word "deliberately" proves you are so incurious you have never read a THING about institutionalized racism and haven't understood a single thing the grown-ups have written in this thread refuting your juvenilia.

 

[Dave19]

Posted: 1/24/16 at 12:22pm

Still not answering my question. Why is any situation that does not happen to have a black person in it per definition racism?

 

That mindset is the problem. That mindset is racist. Because you pull race into anything.

 

 

 

Updated On: 1/24/16 at 12:22 PM

[Dave19]

Posted: 1/24/16 at 12:25pm

FindingNamo, feel free to explain who you feel should have been nominated in which category and why that person was better than the other nominees, detailed please. Thank you.

 

 

Updated On: 1/24/16 at 12:25 PM

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/24/16 at 12:39pm

That's a trap.

 

Why don't you go LEARN a few things about racial bias and how it works instead of being SO GODDAM DEFENSIVE about white people?  Go away, son, and grow up.

[Dave19]

Posted: 1/24/16 at 12:41pm

I know ALL about racism and I know exactly what keeps it going. 

 

You either can answer my last 2 questions or you can not. I know enough.