Academy takes historic action to increase diversity- Page 9

[Kad]

Posted: 1/31/16 at 12:35pm

Don't compare height to race.

[Dave19]

Posted: 1/31/16 at 12:41pm

No, we all work hard for our place in society, that goes for everyone.

 

And if 100 girls audition for the girl of Marty in Grease live (which I assume they did for a huge event like this), from which 12 black girls (general estimation, based on population), and you beat all of them, against whatever odds, then that means everyone else wasn't as good as she was. Then she deserved it. 

 

Perserverance against all odds. That achieves diversity. Diversity is a result. Not a cause. Especially not in casting.

 

Casting for the sake of talent instead of casting for the sake of diversity.

 

I hope.

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[Dave19]

Posted: 1/31/16 at 12:50pm

Kad said: "Don't compare height to race."

 

Diversity is diversity.

 

Every minority feels they have to work harder. Accept it.

 

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[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 1/31/16 at 12:55pm

At least BWW continues to fashion itself as an outlet for racists. 

[Kad]

Posted: 1/31/16 at 1:09pm

Oh right, I forgot the part of history in which short people were legally considered possessions. 

I forgot the part of history where people 5'7 and below were rounded up and forced to live in camps or ghettos.

maybe you need to carve out some time from your busy schedule of watching every Oscar eligible film and do some critical thinking. 

[javero]

Posted: 1/31/16 at 1:39pm

"Every minority feels they have to work harder. Accept it."

 

In the USA hard work alone only takes you so far.  The most successful in activities with subjective judging almost always have benefactors and sympathizers running interference on their behalves.

 

btw...It was poor form from me to ridicule your analytical and writing skills.  It's not always obvious what a poster's first language is. 

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[Dave19]

Posted: 1/31/16 at 2:06pm

Kad, this is not about slavery etc. This is about external charcteristics and taste.

 

 

 

[Dave19]

Posted: 1/31/16 at 2:11pm

javero said: "he USA hard work alone only takes you so far.  The most successful in non-competitive ventures almost always have benefactors and sympathizers running interference on their behalves.

btw...It was poor form from me to ridicule your analytical and writing skills.  It's not always obvious what a poster's first language is. "

 

I agree, that's why I say:

 

Perserverance against all odds. That achieves diversity. Diversity is a result. Not a cause. Especially not in casting.

 

Casting for the sake of talent instead of casting for the sake of diversity.

 

Then sympathy comes your way. Not the other way around.

 

About the language, no problem! I speak 4 languages and have lived in 4 different countries. I try not to make any grammar mistakes but please feel free to tell me whenever I do. 

 

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[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/31/16 at 2:12pm

I guess that means you've never heard of the experiments that show how trauma is passed down from generation to generation?  From Holocaust survivors to their great grandchildren.  From slaves to their descendants?


Of course you haven't, Dave.

 

http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/mice-inherit-an-induced-fear-in-intriguing-experiment/

[Dave19]

Posted: 1/31/16 at 2:17pm

Of course I have. Do you know anything about the history of Europe? Therefore it is very important how to deal with this towards our children.

 

Teach them that complaining creates a gap and a positive attitute reduces that gap.

 

In this case, working hard against the odds, as many people do, instead of playing the victim, demanding opportunities. You can't change peoples vision of beauty or preferences for any physical aspect for any role just like that.

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[javero]

Posted: 1/31/16 at 2:18pm

"Kad, this is not about slavery etc. This is about external charcteristics and taste."

 

 

In a nation as diverse as the USA, there's no guarantee that those characteristics and taste in the arts will continue to line up indefinitely with audience profiles & mores from Hollywood's golden era.

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[Dave19]

Posted: 1/31/16 at 2:21pm

There is no guarantee for anything. 

 

But I think a positive approach, hard work, against all odds, no matter what the odds are, works best. Go for it and you will surprise people and make a point. Many people have done that.

 

And yes, minorities might feel they have to work harder sometimes. Convincing castingdirectors to change their vision of a role. Which can happen with countless aspects. Like I said, a tall Danny is considered more attractive, so the short guys have more to proof, that's life. Protesting that people should embrace short people more too is kind of naive. Is it fair? No. But there is nothing fair or unfair abour personal preferences or visions of beauty, attractiveness or any other quality of any role out there.

 

 

Updated On: 1/31/16 at 02:21 PM

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/31/16 at 2:43pm

The trifecta!  The myth of the meritocracy returns.  Empty ad slogans ("Go for it and you will surprise people and make a point" and a reversal of the actual power structure ("Convincing castingdirectors to change their vision of a role".  It's clear that wherever in the world you are, you have no idea how the world actually works and the biases that keep people miles away from "convincing casting directors" to change their ideas.

 

You have yet to make a single point that hasn't been disproven again and again.

[javero]

Posted: 1/31/16 at 2:49pm

"Go for it and you will surprise people and make a point. Many people have done that."

 

Like you, I prefer to focus on the positives.  That said, most of us in the USA believe in and try to adhere to the rule of law.  There are laws on the books to prevent discriminatory labor and housing practices.  They were enacted to cure past ills in those contexts.  When an individual feels that he or she has been denied an opportunity or just compensation for performance due to an unlawful practice, then that person is within his or her right to seek redress of any grievances.  It's up to the courts to try the facts.

 

And many of those meritorious people whom you allude to self-identity as black.  But, what no self-respecting black in the US will tolerate is a non-black suggesting that he or she should be seen but not heard.  We do NOT have a caste system here and not one of us is wiling to assume second class citizenship.  The burden of HUMILITY is not something that blacks alone should have to shoulder.  No more going along to get along just to keep the peace.  I'm free to be as virtuous or as much of a dick as I damn well please.

[Kad]

Posted: 1/31/16 at 2:52pm

"But there is nothing fair or unfair abour personal preferences or visions of beauty, attractiveness or any other quality of any role out there."

So which is it? The objectively best people for the role, or the people that fit the casting director's biases? (Which, apparently, we shouldn't question but rather accept?)

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/31/16 at 3:10pm

"But there is nothing fair or unfair abour personal preferences or visions of beauty, attractiveness or any other quality of any role out there.'

 

Oh yeah, it's the old "Just my preference, sorry" routine.  As if "preferences" exist without any context, without any pressures from bias, racial or otherwise!!

 

[javero]

Posted: 1/31/16 at 3:50pm

Dude seems to be hung up on some universal beauty standard.  A friend of mine from Venezuela once shared with me a somewhat sexist variant on a popular proverb.  It goes...

 

En un pais la soberbiota en otro maldita golfa

 

Loose translation: One person's trash is another's treasure.

[Dave19]

Posted: 1/31/16 at 5:39pm

javero said: "Loose translation: One person's trash is another's treasure."

 

Exactly. But true talent speaks for itself and rises above that. That's why Whitney Houston became a treasure. Not because "we needed a black singer because it would do the diversity good".

 

And that, my friends, is a good way to end.

 

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 1/31/16 at 6:12pm

Bye

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 1/31/16 at 6:16pm

And now a real conversation can begin.

[Shrek3]

Posted: 2/1/16 at 12:32pm

All this because Will Smith's wife was pissed off he didn't get an Oscar nomination for Concussion. SMH. The Oscars aren't racist at all. Did we not just award 12 years a slave best picture recently?  SMH. Sure black actors deserve more representation in Hollywood but that's not the Oscars problem. Boycotting Hollywood would have made more sense. But again, this whole thing started because Jada blah blah smith was pissed off that the one serious performance Will Smith has given in about 5 years, was not awarded with an Oscar Nomination. But yeah, let's call that racism. This isn't a racism problem, this is an ego problem. 

Updated On: 2/1/16 at 12:32 PM

[tazber]

Posted: 2/1/16 at 12:34pm

Dave19 has left us and just like Jseus risen from the dead has re-joined us as Shrek3.

[Shrek3]

Posted: 2/1/16 at 12:40pm

I'm not saying the  #oscarssowhite protesters don't completely have a point. It should be easier to get more african american films made in hollywood. However, the academy only had 2  films to choose from this year: Straight outta compton and I guess Concussion, and to play the race card just because Straight outta compton didn't get in for best picture and will smith didn't get an Oscar nomination..ummm sorry but I call BS. 

 

 The problem is that people can only name two viable films from this year that included black people (Straight Outta Compton and Concussion) which is a systemic problem that starts in Hollywood, definitely not the Oscars problem though.

 

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[tazber]

Posted: 2/1/16 at 12:55pm

Beasts of No Nation, Chi-raq, Tangerine.....

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/1/16 at 1:12pm

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