Academy takes historic action to increase diversity — Page 9

No, we all work hard for our place in society, that goes for everyone.

And if 100 girls audition for the girl of Marty in Grease live (which I assume they did for a huge event like this), from which 12 black girls (general estimation, based on population), and you beat all of them, against whatever odds, then that means everyone else wasn't as good as she was. Then she deserved it.

Perserverance against all odds. That achieves diversity. Diversity is a result. Not a cause. Especially not in casting.

Casting for the sake of talent instead of casting for the sake of diversity.

I hope.

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At least BWW continues to fashion itself as an outlet for racists.

"Every minority feels they have to work harder. Accept it."

In the USA hard work alone only takes you so far. The most successful in activities with subjective judging almost always have benefactors and sympathizers running interference on their behalves.

btw...It was poor form from me to ridicule your analytical and writing skills. It's not always obvious what a poster's first language is.

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javero said: "he USA hard work alone only takes you so far. The most successful in non-competitive ventures almost always have benefactors and sympathizers running interference on their behalves.

btw...It was poor form from me to ridicule your analytical and writing skills. It's not always obvious what a poster's first language is. "

I agree, that's why I say:

Perserverance against all odds. That achieves diversity. Diversity is a result. Not a cause. Especially not in casting.

Casting for the sake of talent instead of casting for the sake of diversity.

Then sympathy comes your way. Not the other way around.

About the language, no problem! I speak 4 languages and have lived in 4 different countries. I try not to make any grammar mistakes but please feel free to tell me whenever I do.

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Of course I have. Do you know anything about the history of Europe? Therefore it is very important how to deal with this towards our children.

Teach them that complaining creates a gap and a positive attitute reduces that gap.

In this case, working hard against the odds, as many people do, instead of playing the victim, demanding opportunities. You can't change peoples vision of beauty or preferences for any physical aspect for any role just like that.

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There is no guarantee for anything.

But I think a positive approach, hard work, against all odds, no matter what the odds are, works best. Go for it and you will surprise people and make a point. Many people have done that.

And yes, minorities might feel they have to work harder sometimes. Convincing castingdirectors to change their vision of a role. Which can happen with countless aspects. Like I said, a tall Danny is considered more attractive, so the short guys have more to proof, that's life. Protesting that people should embrace short people more too is kind of naive. Is it fair? No. But there is nothing fair or unfair abour personal preferences or visions of beauty, attractiveness or any other quality of any role out there.

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"Go for it and you will surprise people and make a point. Many people have done that."

Like you, I prefer to focus on the positives. That said, most of us in the USA believe in and try to adhere to the rule of law. There are laws on the books to prevent discriminatory labor and housing practices. They were enacted to cure past ills in those contexts. When an individual feels that he or she has been denied an opportunity or just compensation for performance due to an unlawful practice, then that person is within his or her right to seek redress of any grievances. It's up to the courts to try the facts.

And many of those meritorious people whom you allude to self-identity as black. But, what no self-respecting black in the US will tolerate is a non-black suggesting that he or she should be seen but not heard. We do NOT have a caste system here and not one of us is wiling to assume second class citizenship. The burden of HUMILITY is not something that blacks alone should have to shoulder. No more going along to get along just to keep the peace. I'm free to be as virtuous or as much of a dick as I damn well please.

"But there is nothing fair or unfair abour personal preferences or visions of beauty, attractiveness or any other quality of any role out there.'

Oh yeah, it's the old "Just my preference, sorry" routine. As if "preferences" exist without any context, without any pressures from bias, racial or otherwise!!

javero said: "Loose translation: One person's trash is another's treasure."

Exactly. But true talent speaks for itself and rises above that. That's why Whitney Houston became a treasure. Not because "we needed a black singer because it would do the diversity good".

And that, my friends, is a good way to end.

And now a real conversation can begin.

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