They just view marriage the way it was always intended. A religious institution between two members of the opposing sex meant to procreate.
If that is your definition on the "tradition" of marriage, it was abandoned long, long ago. Couples legally get married without procreating. Couples procreate without getting legally married. "Opposing sex" is the only remaining portion of the antiquated religious definition of marriage that the religious right have left to which they desperately cling.
If you're so steadfast about religious semantics defining legislature, then you can go know yourself.
That is not my definition. That is the definition i cited as the majority of people I know that are against same sex marriage.
can we all make up definitions now?
How fun!
I'm going to start defining marriage as a union between two people that is designed to cause stress and discomfort (and occasional sex) between two memebers of the same species.
So, all you (non-human) mamal-lovers out there: I support your right to wed!
Panda love lives on!
Oh, so now it's the majority's opinion that matters now. Well, if that's the case, interracial marriage shouldn't be legal in all 50 states. And we should have waited for a majority approval on slavery, segregation, and women's rights. How thoughtless we were not to think of the majority!
zora, you are a martyr I tell you! Caring more about the majority's feelings on the subject than your very own rights. I dare say you should be sainted one day! St. Zora!
Oh! And thank God I live in America so I can be an athiest. And if I was a heterosexual athiest, I could MARRY my partner! Even if we didn't want babies!
I dont even believe that sockpuppet believes everything he post! he just want attention..IGNORE him!
Love those panda's photos!
J*
I will agree, I should be sainted! *rolls eyes*. You are comparing things that have very different circumstances. Gays already have civil unions in many states, but they have become so whiney and prone to protest that they won't accept that. And yes, i do think majority opinions do matter, and it should be a state matter absolutely. Some states just aren't ready socially to allow same-sex marriage.
Also, I am not a sockpuppet... as i have said before... and believe me, I do believe every last thing I say.
According to Gallup polls, as recently as 1994, less than half of Americans approved of interracial marriage. Would you argue that it should not have been legal until those folks "came around" (which they now apparently have)?
And why aren't you saying "we" instead of "they" when referring to gay people?
I say they rather than we because I am referring to the pro-gay marriage gays. We might share the same sexual orientation, but I am not too fond in associating with such protesting and radical people. And again, there is a difference. Interracial couples didn't have the joy of a civil union.
Yes, but you are aware, I'm sure, that we're talking about the rights conferred, not the word used to describe it.
Half the people I have argued with aren't, they seem to desperately want the word. If a civil union rights proposal would be introduced, I am sure it would pass, at least in a place like California. Yet we keep trying to establish gay marriage. Can't we get past that stupid word in these proposals to actually advance. These protests and attacks (referring to the people in CA still protesting over prop are just counterproductive.
That weird smiley face was a typed in eight...not sure what happened there hehe.
Ok, well, forget those people for a second and talk to me.
Do you think that a same-sex couple should have every single right that a straight couple has, if they choose to become legally bound, whatever word we use to describe it?
Well, I would say yes since, as stated before, I am gay. I am not totally insensitive to the cause here as so many people have implied lol.
If you are a real person, you are WORST than Ray Cohn! I am done with you. goodbye and have a nice life!
J*
Updated On: 1/22/09 at 05:42 PM
Umm... I am a real person... who has no clue who Ray Cohn is. The reference is going over my head.
Also, to correct my former statement, I think they should get most rights. I have an issue with the right to adopt. Other than that though, I think I support.
In that case, no, because I am not in a civil union, therefor saying we would imply that i am in one.
Roy Marcus Cohn (February 20, 1927 – August 2, 1986) was an American conservative lawyer who became famous during the investigations by Senator Joseph McCarthy into alleged Communists in the U.S. government, and especially during the Army-McCarthy Hearings. He was also an important member of the prosecution team for the trial of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg.
The fictional film and play Angels in America feature him as a character in his later years during his battle with HIV.
No, "we" would imply that you, as a gay person, would be accorded the rights in question.
If you have a right, you have it, whether you avail yourself of it or not.
As to children: no adoption, you say. But I could, in your ideal world, father a child and raise it with my partner? Or no; gay citizens should not be allowed to raise children?
Well, I have a problem with gay couples raising kids. I am certainly not saying that they would make bad parents. It's just that kids can be cruel, and i am sure they might have some fun harassing the kid with two daddies.
I'm sure some kids harrass the children of bi-racial couples, too.
Is that your only objection?
If I home-schooled them, could I raise kids?
Hmm... I don't think I would have a problem with that. It is just I have a fear of the kids being picked on. So any idea that would prevent that makes me far more lenient on the issue.
I wonder if these guys are gay.
i am sure they might have some fun harassing the kid with two daddies.
Yeah, well my two daddies can beat up your ONE daddy.
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