No, I am saying you have no proof of the increase of the amount of harassment doesn't happen or is negligible. You could have asked me to clarify without being so rude.
Why do you think everyone is so rude? Trust me, you haven't seen rude on this board yet.
You have this persecution complex.
And I've completely lost track of your point. It was originally about gay marriage, if I understand correctly. Then about gays adopting children.
But are you looking to persuade others? Have your own opinions challenged?
All that seems to be happening is your getting your feelings hurt.
Really... you people can be ruder?!?!?!?! Wow... didn't realize this board attracted the heartless. You know, you can disagree with someone and still respect their beliefs... I presume you don't know this.
Maybe you're just too sensitive because you realize that nothing you have to say holds any water.
No, I am annoyed because throughout this thread I have: !) Been accused of being a troll, 2) Being a sock puppet, 3) Been told I am not really gay, 4) Said if I am gay, than I am just crazy, and 5) Been told to jump in front of a moving bus. What ever happened to civil forums for political discussion... or is that not confrontational enough for you?
Well, I don't think I've ever done any of those things.
But I'm wondering just why you keep returning to this thread. Are you hoping to change minds? Or to explore your own thinking about it?
I keep returning because, when I see someone has posted something new on it, I read it because 9/10 times seemingly that new comment was slandering me. Also, I love political discussions. That is why I was attracted to the thread in the first place. I wasn't expecting so many people, however, to be so rude because of my beliefs.
But do you at all see how your beliefs might be hurtful to others?
Why should my beliefs be hurtful to others? How hypersensitive does one have to be to honestly take offense that I am in favor of tradition on an issue?
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and for the rest of you in this thread who have had more patience than I. I often have great patience. But, sometimes, "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take it anymore!"
And, zora, you may well have a right to your opinions, but you would be smart to be aware of how they affect people. Sadly, the only people who will likely be impressed with your opinions are the very people who would like to see you opressed (assuming you are in actuality gay).
What's that kinda like? Stockholm Syndrome perhaps?
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Ah, yes. I knew it was something Swedish.
Are we planning on boycotting them or something else that is the opposite of advancing the gay rights movement?
And yet the Montgomery Bus Boycott was a watershed in the civil rights movement.
You know, you can disagree with someone and still respect their beliefs...
You can respect someone's right to have their own beliefs, but you do not have to respect their beliefs. I do not respect the beliefs of white supremacists or the likes of Fred Phelps.
You believe gays should not have equal rights until the majority is ready to afford them to us. You gave your reasons. I disagree with your beliefs. I respect your right to believe what you want, but I do not have to respect your justification for those beliefs.
So if you are asking people like me, who are fighting just to be able to live with the person they love, but are blocked by a Federal ban on equal rights, to respect the beliefs of a gay man or woman who honestly thinks I am not entitled to equal rights, then you are wasting your breath. The idea of "traditional" marriage was abandoned by heterosexuals long ago. That argument has been irrelevant since divorce and abortion were legalized and infidelity and pre-marital sex were no longer punishable crimes.
Jrb, can you actually end a post in not implying that I am not gay. It is starting to get redundant and boring. Seriously, get over it, a gay man can be against gay marriage. Your just gonna have to accept that.
And Mister Matt, flaw in what you said. You can live with the one you want, whether your married or not.
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"You can live with the one you want, whether your married or not."
Not if you're from different countries.
Well, this thread, if you hadn't noticed, is dealing with the United States... specifically California. So that point is invalid.
That response is a as close to proof as you can get that you are a sock pretending to be gay
If you're not a sock then you are an immature person whose idea of a political discussion is "agree with me or you're rude"?
No, but implying i am lying about being gay, and saying things like "go jump infront of a bus" are very rude you moron. I don't care when people disagree with me, but when they say things like that, then they are the immature people.
"Well, this thread, if you hadn't noticed, is dealing with the United States... specifically California. So that point is invalid."
MisterMatt is an American citizen. His partner is not. So, yes, it affects him greatly and relates 100% to this issue.
You see, us gay people bowing down to the delicate sensibilities of the majority and accepting our separate water fountain...I mean...civil unions has quite a few flaws. Especially with DOMA in tact. Marriage IS a federal issue.
When Jared and I get married in July 2010, we will be able to file state and city taxes together (I presume) but not our federal taxes.
So, I think you need to educate yourself about this issue regardless of the position you are going to take on it.
But if those people believe that you're not gay, how is that rude? It's their belief.
Isn't that the same thing as you believing in "traditional" marriage? That doesn't make you rude, just of a different belief.
It's called a double standard.
No...they are saying that I am lying... those two things aren't even related if you actually think about it... which you clearly didn't.
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