Congratulations to Spidey...our BroadwayWorld Idol winner!- Page 54

[camerangel]

Posted: 3/13/06 at 12:06pm

At this point I think we should all just let it go and move on. there was a blow up last night and things were said in ways they shouldn't have been. emotions were running high, but it's over and done with.

Although Jerby does not regret what he said he feels bad for the way in which it was said. He's voiced that publicly.

There is really no point in continuing to rehash this.

Apparently people are forgetting that each of us is human and we do blow up from time to time.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 3/13/06 at 12:06pm

caitiesus1522, just because mr. matt called for some nudity is no reason to lose all respect for him.

[smartpenguin78]

Posted: 3/13/06 at 12:08pm

There was to be a lifetime membership at Corine's Corner for the winner, didn't you know Sueleen? NO ONE in their right mind would throw that away.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 3/13/06 at 1:07pm

"Son, one day this will all be yours."

"What? The curtains?"

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"caitiesus1522, just because mr. matt called for some nudity is no reason to lose all respect for him."

She didn't say it was a him. She said it was a "they."

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 3/13/06 at 1:21pm

There's no "I" in "they".

Until I move to Spain, I have yet to be pluralized.

[DG]

Posted: 3/13/06 at 1:27pm

"Edmund Edwards: She's been through hell, and we're her family. So in this crisis, we have to support her.

Rose Schwartz: Yeah.

Edmund Edwards: We have to love her.

Rose Schwartz: Mmm.

Edmund Edwards: We have to care about her.

Rose Schwartz: Mmm.

Edmund Edwards: And we have to milk it for every drop of publicity we can get."

- from SOAPDISH.

[Type_A_Tiff]

Posted: 3/13/06 at 1:37pm

Well by "this", I meant "the respect of the people who've voted you in". jrb and my sexual relationship is totally, 100%, super-duperly, girl-guide-honor unrelated to this.

I mentioned this on Namo's thread after the first Idol was deleted, and I'll say it again. I do understand where he and Mister Matt are coming from with the skepticism. And perhaps I am naive for thinking something like this wouldn't happen. But if you follow the threads, you'll see the only thing fashioned after Idol are chosen themes, 3 judges and voting. The entire dynamic and atmosphere is completely different. There's no booing or mean-spirited nastiness. (Aside from BSo.) There's nothing created by us to heighten drama or hurt feelings. In fact, this has been an incredibly supportive environment, especially in the last few rounds. Many former contestants come back to cheer on the finalists and every single contestant after the prelims has received more positive feedback than negative. (And best of all, no Ryan Seacrest. )

The people in the last several rounds are all great singers, and I'm sure they all knew they had nothing to worry about in the way of making fools of themselves, because they understood that's not the nature of this thread, and they were right. Which is why I was particularly shocked by jrb's reaction last night, when I was giving him sincere raves with only a hint of criticism, and he's had fangirls cheering him on every single week. The point of the contest, unlike AI, isn't to watch a car wreck, because there aren't any. Even in the first week, the less than stellar singers were - not mollycoddled - but treated with respect for sticking their neck out here in the first place. And I've said week after week that these people are braver than I am, and have infinitely more talent than me, and should be proud of that.

As for my qualifications for being a judge? Well, a) I created and organized the entire darn thing; b) I'm classically trained in a music; c) I'm passionate about a variety of genres which makes me the potential consumer for any artist, if it's bluegrass or Broadway, who wants to pursue a career in showbiz. That may not be much, and robbiej, so you pay lot to your vocal coach; from what I hear, you're getting what you pay for, and congratulations. I'm making nothing from this; not glory, or praise, and clearly not money (quite the contrary), and I put up with a lot more crap than I ought to. (Times like this when I DO empathize with Jose'.)

I wouldn't go through all this trouble for a contest that encourages cruelty and hurt feelings. (God, what an overused term.) I go through this because I want to promote the talent on here, however much I can, and provide an outlet for people to receive feedback in a supportive and constructive environment.

I'm not recreating the wheel here.

Updated On: 3/13/06 at 01:37 PM

[caitiesus1522]

Posted: 3/13/06 at 1:47pm

I think we all need to step back and give Tiff (and everyone else who has helped put this together) a HUGE thank you.

And remember that this was supposed to be something FUN.


ps- I have no problems with nudity
Updated On: 3/13/06 at 01:47 PM

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 3/13/06 at 1:49pm

I appreciate your taking the time to explain all that and you know I am your sister in rock fandom, Tiff, but I am very curious and wish people who have gone through all the trouble and probable expense of performing songs in genres not of their own choosing would just lay their cards on the table and explain exactly what it is they get out of this and what they hope (or hoped if they are no longer in the running) they would get out of winning?

I have simply not been able to grasp why people have spent so much time and made such an effort to take part in round after round after round. I mean, in spite of all the praise and "support," people have obviously not all had a sunshine and lollipops experience with this.

In so many cases, to me, it seems that the contestants have really subjected themselves to this, and the big question that I would LOVE to have answered is a simple one: WHY?

[SonofMammaMiaSam]

Posted: 3/13/06 at 1:53pm

In hopes that Marc Shaiman will stumble in and cast them as the next Penny Pingleton?

[Patronus]

Posted: 3/13/06 at 1:55pm

I don't have a lot of time to post right now because I am at work and the powers that be are all very Orwellian.

I just want to address what I get out of it as a judge.

Nothing. Unless you count a headache and mucho apoplexy.

Hell, I don't particulary enjoy the judging all that much. I agreed to judge when Tiff asked me to be Judge 3 Version 15 and I will go forward with that until it's over.

That being said I have to run now because Big Brother is making rounds.

[Type_A_Tiff]

Posted: 3/13/06 at 1:58pm

(To be fair, you did want to be a judge at the time, and happily took it up when Jailyardguy had to bail.)

Oy.

[Patronus]

Posted: 3/13/06 at 2:00pm

Going to get fired...going to get fired...going to get fired.

Yeah, I was coming back to edit a little bit because that came across far more snotty than I wanted it to.

I wanted to be a judge and was happy that you asked me. It just turned out that it wasn't nearly as fun as I had originally hoped. Along with those headaches and apoplexy I do have some fun, I just meant that I am not getting any rewarding qualities or overwhelming sense of power from it.

I am honored that you asked me.

[Type_A_Tiff]

Posted: 3/13/06 at 2:00pm

It's a good question. I'm impressed (and I'd be lying if I didn't say I was surprised) that so many people have stuck it out so long, when there's never been any promise of contracts, money, or exposure beyond this board and the S42 podcast. I'd rather let current and past contestants answer for themselves instead of making assumptions, because I'm a bit curious as well.

I do give them props for it.

[smartpenguin78]

Posted: 3/13/06 at 2:02pm

I don't think that some idea that this thing would be a great step to Marc Shaiman (or anyone else) is what most people were after.

The people I have talked to just liked the idea of a forum for singing.
Many people don't get many oportunities to be heard in an open forum and be given accolades. (Which every person who has done this has gotten from someone.) They also decided to be subject to criticism, in what I believe was a genuine attempt to improve.

Is that true of everyone? Of course not.
Have some people been hurt? Yes, especially in the begining.
But that is not the end result of this thing. Overall it has been a positive event and affirming for the singers.

[robbiej]

Posted: 3/13/06 at 2:03pm

Tiff,

I actually didn't mean to insult you...and I truly hope I didn't. I know that, for myself, as a theatre professional who has had some slight critical success here in NY, I can't imagine judging something like this. Perhaps it's because of the 'not in front of me' issue; the fact that we'd need to judge performers based on sound clips that aren't professionally produced in some way. Or perhaps it's because I have been given critiques and advice from people who, at best, knew little about singing or performing.

One of the reasons I'm opposed to Idol-like competitions (although I'm a total hypocrite and admit I get some perverse pleasure out of watching it) is that it's not a 'safe' environment. It's an environment that fosters competition and tension...things that never, ever allow people to do their best work.

I don't question your intentions, your support or your knowledge...though my first, brief post probably didn't give that impression.

It can just end up being a dangerous game in which people can get hurt.

[Type_A_Tiff]

Posted: 3/13/06 at 2:22pm

Robbie, as we've seen overnight, you're right in some respects. I was probably more naive than I would care to admit, because I thought that this late in the competition, the Idol community built a rapport that wouldn't foster more tension than, say, making deadlines or picking songs. And it's tough to judge something like this (I take back some of the snarkier comments I just PMed Patronus re: judging); ultimately, my main qualification as a judge is the same as anyone's qualification as a voter: we're potential consumers. The only reason why we get to voice our critiques is because it provides some guidance so this doesn't become a thread full of cliched, meaningless, "OMG! I LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!"'s. (And to the credit of some old contestants and listeners, many have been wonderful in putting in their 2c beyond the fangirling, and their opinions are just as valid as ours.)

I can see Stephen's frustration in judging; it's equally thankless for me. (Probably even more so, since who's the only one having to defend herself right now? ) But that's what it comes down to - I understand the problems in judging people with non-professional equipment, especially when we don't see them face to face. But those are the parameters I have, and I agree with what Penguin just said. And I do believe there are performers who have improved through this competition - I've been Spidey's biggest fan since day 1. He had a raw, amateurish voice with potential in the first round (in my opinion), and didn't even originally make it through the prelims; he was brought back as a Wild Card. And now, 8 rounds later, he's still around, and got his best marks yet. (And since voting's closed, I don't have any qualms saying he was in the lead.) My point is, there are people who have flourished and taken this opportunity to really try to fine-tune their talent, and push themselves, and they've got an audience here who supports them. That's my intent. The judging itself is just for structure.

Updated On: 3/13/06 at 02:22 PM

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 3/13/06 at 2:38pm

But in the end, no matter how great and wonderful everyone says the contestants are, the contest is designed so that one of them has to be booted. It's a device that is destined to disappoint all but one. It makes for entertaining television, but does the message of "you're really great, but someone has to go" really push anyone to do their best?

[Type_A_Tiff]

Posted: 3/13/06 at 2:44pm

We may have to agree to disagree, but yes, I think it does. Isn't that the real world? Auditioning for jobs or roles? Disappoints all but one. So you strive to prove yourself and do your best. The fact that it's a competition is incentive to push yourself and test your limits, and stick around for another round if you're so inclined to. I'm more willing to buy the argument that it fosters tension and hurt feelings, over that it doesn't push people to do their best, or at the very least, improve.

[robbiej]

Posted: 3/13/06 at 2:51pm

I have to tell you...I know of no actor that feels they do their best work in auditions. They're a necessary evil. Auditions are, in many ways, a very artificial envrionment for performance. There are pressures that have nothing to do with the artistic process.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 3/13/06 at 2:51pm

can we please get back to the part where people scream and yell, break down and quit after cursing each other out? it's like watching nascar, yeah it's cool seeing cars go fast, but if they didn't go flying end over end into the audience once in a while boy would it be boring!

[smartpenguin78]

Posted: 3/13/06 at 2:52pm

Competition is a real and vital part of the world.
The best artist may not be the most popular, that much is true. We are all judged everyday by how we measure up against others.
Is this the "best forum" for artistic expression? No.
Does that make it invalid? No.

[robbiej]

Posted: 3/13/06 at 2:52pm

You're right, papa. I've totally brought the thread down.

F*CK YOU, YOU BITCHES!!!! I'M GONNA BE A STAAAAAAAAAAAAR...AND AIN'T NUTHIN YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT! SO KISS IT!

[shameless]

Posted: 3/13/06 at 2:52pm

Hey Tiff, I happen to think my role as a fangirl has been crucial to this competition. So there!

[SueleenGay]

Posted: 3/13/06 at 2:53pm

Does Jerby dropping out open the door for another contestant to step up? Or perhaps for Rath to have another go?