Did the loving, peaceful 'left' just assassinate Charlie Kirk?- Page 3

[Bwaygurl2]

Posted: 9/11/25 at 11:33am

ACL2006 said: "Bwaygurl2 said:
I am also learning that many in the extreme Right fringe hated Kirk. There was a big beef between him and fellow provacteur Nick Fuentes.

And I hate to say this, I'm not usually a conspiracy person, but I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that Trump got his buddy Putin to orchestrate this assassination to get his relationship with Epstein out of the news cycle."

Highly doubtful since Dumpster announced this morning that Kirk will get the Presidential Medal of Freedom."

Trump giving Kirk a medal only continues to distract from news cycles he doesn't like.

I'm not saying that's what happened, just something I thought of. Upon further reflection, I think if Putin set up this assassination, it's part of his larger goal of destabilizing the US. The social media bot armies have done so much to inflame and divide; the next step is political assassinations to further inflame and divide. Immediately after Kirk's death, bots (as well as real conservative figures) were calling for civil war. Who does that help? Not lefties or libs. Not any Americans. It helps Putin. It would also help China. 

I'm just speculating and I'm not claiming anything as fact; but this seems to be a professional hit rather than a lone nut job. Time with tell.

[binau]

Posted: 9/11/25 at 11:34am

Jay Lerner-Z said: "Binau, if we apply your logic to 2016, then Hillary was in fact the right choice. Bernie is MUCH further to the left than Hillary ever was or is… if anything, she is exactly what you seem to be calling for. A right-leaning centrist. I'm confused. Some consistency, please."

This is extremely offensive to Bernie Sanders and genuine progressives that you would compare his movement to the radical, violent, oppressive far left extremism we see today, many of which in this thread. For example, unlike many of the people in this thread who appear to be happy that someone is DEAD because they expressed their freedom of speech, Bernie has condemned this attack. Bernie has productive progressive attitudes and good social policies that mirror the rest of the world. That doesn't make him a 'far left extremist'. He is completely reasonable. 

 

Updated On: 9/11/25 at 11:34 AM

[binau]

Posted: 9/11/25 at 11:36am

Sutton Ross said: "We don't want you here, we don't need you there, your hatred is like a disease"

I genuinely need to screenshot this for use in future, the fact that you said this with a straight face and cannot see the irony is hilariously rich. 

[binau]

Posted: 9/11/25 at 11:39am

ErikJ972 said: "Where was your post decrying the violent rhetoric of the far right when Melissa Hortman and her husband were assassinated?

At this point it is hard to take you seriously."

I don't feel a need to argue uncontroversial things. NO ONE believes that political violence is ok, except for many in this thread when the target are people whose speech they DON'T want to hear. This is the point and what I am trying to highlight. I get it, many of you are happy to and want to see people that disagree with you dead. I find that absolutely despicable. 
 

[binau]

Posted: 9/11/25 at 11:41am

Bwaygurl2 said: "ACL2006 said: "Bwaygurl2 said:
I am also learning that many in the extreme Right fringe hated Kirk. There was a big beef between him and fellow provacteur Nick Fuentes.

And I hate to say this, I'm not usually a conspiracy person, but I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that Trump got his buddy Putin to orchestrate this assassination to get his relationship with Epstein out of the news cycle."

Highly doubtful since Dumpster announced this morning that Kirk will get the Presidential Medal of Freedom."

Trump giving Kirk a medal only continues to distract from news cycles he doesn't like.

I'm not saying that's what happened, just something I thought of. Upon further reflection, I think if Putin set up this assassination, it's part of his larger goal of destabilizing the US. The social media bot armies have done so much to inflame and divide; the next step is political assassinations to further inflame and divide. Immediately after Kirk's death, bots (as well as real conservative figures) were calling for civil war. Who does that help? Not lefties or libs. Not any Americans. It helps Putin. It would also help China.

I'm just speculating and I'm not claiming anything as fact; but this seems to be a professional hit rather than a lone nut job. Time with tell."

I completely agree with you that there COULD be a chance there is something broader going on here. You're right this was a very skilled and violent attack. I still have the image in my mind of the blood rushing out of Charlie Kirk's neck while he slumps back and the crowd around him are terrified. This was an extremely clean and precise attack.

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 9/11/25 at 11:44am

I genuinely need to screenshot this for use in future, the fact that you said this with a straight face and cannot see the irony is hilariously rich."

Please do because it's highlighting what you said the other day on the grosses board of "you guys need me in America!". No, no we don't. We don't care about your money you spend here. You aren't welcome in America and nobody needs or wants you here. Nobody cares about your views or your "I WARNED YOU!" bullsh*t. Stop obsessing over ours and get a life of your own.

Hope that's clearer since you aren't a real smartie.

[James885]

Posted: 9/11/25 at 11:45am

As of right now there's still no information about who the shooter is so at the very least, the OP is jumping to some wildly inaccurate conclusions. Regardless of whatever the shooter's ideology is, I have no doubt that our Idiot In Chief and his minions will work overtime to paint this as an attack from the left and thereby inflame tensions even higher.

Lest anyone forget, this current cycle of political violence that we are in has been primarily stoked and fanned by Trump himself and his goons. A quick google search will show you all the violent remarks he's made at his rallies etc. over the years. 

Binau I've enjoyed reading your theater related posts a lot but when it comes to US politics, I think you're way off base and seem to be both-sides-ing what's going on when one side is attempting an authoritarian take over of the all levels of government and our way of life. And to be clear, I'm in no way saying Democrats are flawless and above criticism - I'm very much disgusted with the Democratic establishment's inaction. But its either bow down to authoritarianism - which for me as someone of color includes being okay with being racially profiled by ICE anywhere at anytime - or work to elect new Democratic leaders who will forcefully push back.

Updated On: 9/11/25 at 11:45 AM

[binau]

Posted: 9/11/25 at 11:46am

binau said: "That is not accurate. Have you actually watched the video? If not, why not? If you watch the video he EXPLICITLY says he is 'NOT REFERRING TO NEO-NAZIS'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmaZR8E12bs

Why is it always on the burden for me to make you actually look at first hand information and draw the right conclusions?

As for the thread, I'll repeat again the title of the thread is a QUESTION...that does invite debate about this. I suspect we will find either the shooter or the person who hired the shooter is obviously an ideologically left motivated person, why would they care to kill Charlie Kirk? But if I'm wrong, I'll happily be wrong. In fact VERY happily. If I'm right, I'll wait for whatever excuse you all want to give for this terrorism.

As for you all getting precious about 'anti-American' attitudes, well all I'll say is to me you are coming across as the very kind of nationalist Trump supporting uncultured American you pretend to despise by saying that so it's very funny to witness. I love America, I don't love what you're doing to it - and as I said it affects ME DIRECTLY. Don't pretend that in our globalised world we live in national silos ESPECIALLY when we're talking about the impact of the USA."

Also want to make sure this is read because I am not accepting you all gleefully thinking you can STILL claim this ‘fine people’ hoax is real when you clearly have not even seen the video. 

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 9/11/25 at 11:52am

We aren't watching anything you post. Trying to make someone watch something traumatic to satisfy you is a super kind of sick. You aren't warning us, you aren't helping us, you have done nothing but expose yourself as a little MAGAt. Hope this is clear.

binau said: “I’m sick of warning you”
 

Then stfu girl!

Correct. 

[binau]

Posted: 9/11/25 at 11:53am

Sutton Ross said: "I genuinely need to screenshot this for use in future, the fact that you said this with a straight face and cannot see the irony is hilariously rich."

Please do because it's highlighting what you said the other day on the grosses board of "you guys need me in America!". No, no we don't. We don't care about your money you spend here. You aren't welcome in Americaand nobody needs or wants you here. Nobody cares about your views or your "I WARNED YOU!" bullsh*t. Stop obsessing over ours and get a life of your own.

Hope that's clearer since you aren't a real smartie."

I appreciate that you are willing to lower your level of intellectual capability for me so that I can understand lol. You’re definitely one of the thought leaders on this forum whose posts I can’t wait to read and I’m so happy you’re here so I can learn from you. Thank you Sutton Ross :). 

[binau]

Posted: 9/11/25 at 11:55am

Sutton Ross said: "We aren't watching anything you post. Trying to make someone watch something traumatic to satisfy you is a super kind of sick. You aren't warning us, you aren't helping us, you have done nothing but expose yourself as a little MAGAt. Hope this is clear.

binau said: “I’m sick of warning you”


Then stfu girl!

Correct."

If you refuse to process first hand information and then draw incorrect conclusions, that’s on you not me 

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 9/11/25 at 12:00pm

I don't understand how I said anything even remotely offensive to Bernie Sanders. I have no idea what you want from us at this point, what you are trying to say, or why you seem to completely absolve Trump supporters of any responsibility for the dangerous mess America has become.

[binau]

Posted: 9/11/25 at 12:01pm

James885 said: "-or work to elect new Democratic leaders who will forcefullypush back."

I think we agree on the same goal. When Trump won I found it interesting to read many comments from ‘the left’ on the idea that Gavin Newsom was unfit for 2028 because he was a ‘snake’ who talked to the enemy (see his podcasts). A notion I find hilarious ridiculous and reflects why I think you’re going to struggle. Then I was surprised at how effective his social media campaign was against Trump and Gaia popularity returning. I think he is among the best chance for the democrats to get in next time, as long as we don’t continue to have people shooting young people expressing their right to freedom of expression in the neck perhaps, their blood spurting everywhere like a scene from Tim Burton’s Sweeney Todd, the whole world watching it on social media and then people seemingly expressing glee and satisfaction that he is dead. If this continues I expect the MAGA take over to continue because you’re losing grip on the entire culture. And it’s not just USA now it’s across much of the English speaking world. 

[binau]

Posted: 9/11/25 at 12:06pm

Jay Lerner-Z said: "I don't understand how I said anything even remotely offensive to Bernie Sanders. I have no idea what you want from us at this point, what you are trying to say, or why you seem to completely absolve Trump supporters of any responsibility for the dangerous mess America has become."

You seemed to make an assumption that because Bernie was further left of Hillary Clinton that if I was consistent in my views it would make him less suitable. You seemed to assume that I am rejecting all left wing ideology. However, these assumptions are not good ones. I am rejecting the extreme far left ideology that we have seen from 2020-2025 that is causing you to lose grip on political systems and cultures in many countries, and this extreme ideology has nothing to do with Bernie Sanders nor does it have anything to do with why I think he was more suitable than Hillary Clinton (which was based on polls showing he would win in a general election at the time but Hillary would lose, and her lack of progressive principles and policies). 
 

 

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 9/11/25 at 12:09pm

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 9/11/25 at 12:12pm

What is your definition of far left ideology, binau, and how did Hillary, Biden, and Kamala embrace it?

[ColorTheHours048]

Posted: 9/11/25 at 12:34pm

Jay Lerner-Z said: "What is your definition of far left ideology, binau, and how did Hillary, Biden, and Kamala embrace it?"

They don’t have an actual answer for this, so don’t expect one from them. They’re not actually interested in engaging in any kind of good faith argument because their only interest is regurgitating secondhand political nonsense.

The answer to “How can we avoid this?” is a major overhaul on gun ownership laws and investment in public education and mental health. (And that’s assuming this was carried out by a civilian with a bone to pick and not some kind of operation with multiple people behind the single shooter.) Unfortunately, people like Charlie Kirk influence the American public and politicians alike to believe that they have a God-given right to own firearms that the Founding Fathers could never even have dreamed of to defend God-knows-what, so the cycle continues.

Anyway, I hope the families of the students affected by yesterday’s school shooting in Colorado are receiving the same comfort, thoughts, and prayers that Charlie Kirk’s family is receiving right now. They are both unfortunate side effects of a country that simply will not learn from its continued failures.

[binau]

Posted: 9/11/25 at 12:35pm

I don’t consider Hillary to be part of this specific problem for the most part as I said it’s 2020 onwards. Hillary to me is more a right wing conservative in global standards (the US is quite conservative relative to other countries as I’m sure you know). 

So yes, things really went down hill with Biden and Kamala. To be clear they didn’t lead this movement - I think it’s more grassroots on social media. However, they didn’t challenge it enough or enabled it (Obama HAS tried to challenge it when he called out ‘woke’ culture). 

So the culture where everyone is called racist and transphobic even if there are good faith concerns or irrationality about the accusations (see also, the great comet fiasco and the recent Patti/kecia fiasco). The culture where not a single Democrat would speak out against men playing in women’s sports until after trump won (i think Gavin Newsom was one of the first). The culture where you were either for open borders basically or you’re a MAGA with no sensible middle ground (see Biden’s policies that were extremely unpopular). The culture where you don’t accept critical challenge and instead call people names and tell them to go away (so they do, go figure). The culture of censorship (see Mark Zuckerberg saying the Biden admin was 1984-like). And now a culture where you take glee in people being shot in the neck and having their blood violent spurt across a college campus because you don’t like what they say. 

This culture is sick, it’s toxic. I don’t care to argue the problems with the far right because much of it is true and we agree on. But what I am saying is this kind of culture is not desired or wanted by reasonable people. I don’t like that I have to watch or experience it being exported from the USA. It’s gross. 

It used to just be annoying, now it’s getting dangerous. Society will continue to reject as they clearly did with a Trump win. So unless you want to hand over the reigns forever you need to stop. We don’t want this far left extremism and you will be the real victim of your own making if you don’t stop when you see that the country is taken over. 

 

 

Updated On: 9/11/25 at 12:35 PM

[Bwaygurl2]

Posted: 9/11/25 at 1:21pm

 

I think what Binau is getting at is what one might call "woke excess" (I hate that term for a number of reasons, but nevermind). The culture that comes from certain departments of elite universities. As we saw in the Kecia/Patti mess, the implicit idea that, in a dispute between a white person and a black person, the white person can never be right, and the black person can never be wrong, because "implicit bias/racism." And Democrats did err on the side of being pro-trans (a just cause imo) but they took it too far for the average American. A majority of Americans think biological males in women's sports is wrong, that's just where public opinion is at the moment. 

I would push back on the following:

"The culture of censorship (see Mark Zuckerberg saying the Biden admin was 1984-like)."

Mark Zuckerberg is a liar who will say and do whatever he needs to further his interests. Biden ASKED, not threatened, Facebook to stop the spread of deadly antivax misinformation and to stem the spread of "the election was rigged " conspiracy garbage. Trump 2 is a much bigger threat to free speech, as he has threatened and withheld funding to any institutions (Harvard and many other universities) that are saying things conservatives don't like. Trump has also stopped the CDC from sharing critical data on diseases because it makes him look bad. He has threatened networks to not air stories that make him look bad. Zuck doesn't care about any of this. The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing folks the Right supports free speech. The Left/liberals have a bad rap because they want moderation on social media, but it's the Right who is the far bigger threat.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 9/11/25 at 1:45pm

Thanks. I guess I understand a little better what binau is trying to say. I still strongly disagree. MAGA don't care about facts. Perception is greater than reality, and the propaganda channels will ALWAYS have a big scary liberal boogey man to hype up.

Updated On: 9/11/25 at 01:45 PM

[binau]

Posted: 9/11/25 at 1:56pm

I agree Jay, but the problem is you're giving them real ammunition to play with by your own actions and behaviour. And the gleeful reaction to the outcome of when a bullet pierced Charlie Kirk's neck and violently sprayed blood is yet another poor example. I don't even know when people need to go 'BUTTTTT they but theyyyy, BUT THEYY'. That isn't the point and in many ways irrelevant - if the outcome you're trying to decide is who has the worst morals that matters. I'm not interested in this, what I'm interested in is people looking inside at their own standard of behaviour, reflecting on what is appropriate and what is not, being more careful and precise with how they use language, so that it can benefit everyone including yourselves most of all.

What I still continue to find shocking is during let's call it 'peak wokeness' say 2022-2023 it felt like there was so much complacency of these kind of extreme far left people thinking they owned the culture, that all they had to do is scream and shout and feel good about doing 'social justice' and that they'd automatically just win and their opponents (real or imagined) would disappear. But we don't live in that world anymore, some have learned and moved on. Generally, in other communities I can see the world has changed and become much more reasonable. 

This forum remains particularly, particularly stubborn about this issue I've found. And I suspect it might reflect the demographic and location of course of the posters. 

[binau]

Posted: 9/11/25 at 2:36pm

The Wall Street Journal: "Investigators found ammunition engraved with expressions of transgender and antifascist ideology inside the rifle"

WOW. This is going to be worse for you than you could ever imagine if this is true. Wow.

But it's too easy. The conspiracy that this is some kind of way to cause instability in USA makes sense - if you wanted to do that, this is what you'd do. 

Updated On: 9/11/25 at 02:36 PM

[Matt Rogers]

Posted: 9/11/25 at 5:27pm

binau said: "The Wall Street Journal: "Investigators found ammunition engraved with expressions oftransgenderand antifascist ideology inside therifle"

WOW. This is going to be worse for you than you could ever imagine if this is true.Wow.

But it's too easy. The conspiracy that this is some kind of way to cause instability in USA makes sense - if you wanted to do that, this is what you'd do."

If true, you and JK Rowling will be so happy! You can go have tea together! However, you sick gloating freak, don’t get too happy yet:

From the Daily Beast: 

”No officials have confirmed the Journal’s reporting about engraved casings. A “senior law enforcement official” told The New York Timesthat the report regarding the casings had “not been verified by ATF analysts, did not match other summaries of the evidence, and might turn out to have been misread or misinterpreted.”

[binau]

Posted: 9/11/25 at 6:05pm

Not good for this to be spread if it’s not true obviously, as it’ll put trans people at risk. I can see it’s spread quite far now so a lot of damage will have been done (I did say ‘if it is true’ as a slight qualifier that it may not have been, although I was expecting it to be given multiple reputable sources so I’m surprised and it’s good that you have helped correct for me thanks)

[ACL2006]

Posted: 9/11/25 at 8:20pm

my post about Kirk wanting trans people and gays stoned to death got deleted. But here's a post detailing his hatred for the LGBTQ+ community:

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/DOeKMW5iVOp/

 

"Charlie Kirk believed that gay people should be stoned to death, that the 1964 Civil Rights Act was a “huge mistake,” that we should legally be allowed to whip foreigners in the U.S., that Muslims only move here to destroy the country, that American Jews encourage anti-whiteness, that men should physically attack transgender people, that all women should submit to their husbands, and that Black professionals “steal” their jobs from more qualified white people.

Kirk used his massively influential, billionaire-funded “young conservative organization” Turning Point USA to spread these hateful views on a grand scale to a rising generation of copycat, crypto-fascist, edgelord trolls. And now that he’s been publicly slain in a horrific assassination, President Donald Trump has hailed Kirk as a “wonderful American” and a “martyr for truth and freedom.” Trump, gay Colorado Gov. Jared Polis (D), and others are flying flags at half-mast to commemorate him, and Kirk’s podcast bestie Gov. Gavin Newsom is telling people to “honor Charlie’s memory” by continuing his work." Follow the link in bio to read more.