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“Sleepy Joe" "Crooked Hillary" “Pocahontas”

Did Kamala not get a trademark nickname? No fair. I guess Don is running out of steam.

Jay Lerner-Z said: "“Sleepy Joe" "Crooked Hillary" “Pocahontas”

Did Kamala not get a trademark nickname? No fair. I guess Don is running out of steam."

I've heard her called Crooked Kamala.

Yes, Kamala Harris can now claim she supports "the wall" but my point is that I think in the eyes of voters (I mean I am listening to what they say) it's perceived as too little, too late. Because they can choose between someone that essentially caused the problem and now says they'll fix it, with someone who has been trying to prevent it from the very beginning. This is an example of a strong policy failure that I think could have been avoided if the Democrats made different decisions under the Biden/Harris administration, and may have cost them the election.

I also think your last comment reflects a strong naivety that I have realised after researching extensively both the Democrats and Republicans, which is that it is both the Democrats and Republicans, as well as left and right-wing activists that actually create false narratives. There are several things that both Donald Trump and Kamala Harris said on their debate that was completely wrong, for example and if you don't already know this without researching I would claim it reflects the ideological nature of your views. Sometimes minor things, somethings things that matter. So I wouldn't suggest that the Democrats simply are victims of only knowing how to tell the truth, they are playing the game too.

After having a shocking realisation that misinformation comes from both sides, I realise that people need to think critically with all information they receive and not be ideological. It's also why I think any party who attempts to limit freedom of speech or control information should not be in power because the consequences and slippery slopes are too dangerous.

My fear for the Democrats and America is that unless they start listening more to voters, improving their arguments and policy decisions that they're going to lose not just 2024 but also 2028 because the Republican Party is changing and there is a strong line of succession now that I can't see quite on the Democrats. Maybe I'm wrong, we'll see in a few days. But I am completely sincere if the Democrats lose they do take time to reflect and improve their party. Simply dismissing it as being a victim of 'misinformation' and moving on is a very dangerous and self-inflecting thing to do. It's the definition of not listening.

Finally, regarding your stance on Trump being done for cooking the books - I don’t disagree with you but that’s a separate point. Regardless of the moral principles you want to uphold the action might have been counter productive and made things worse. Would you rather Trump get away with cooking the books to hide the money he paid a prostitute or would you rather he win the election?

Updated On: 11/3/24 at 03:22 AM

Kamala did not cause the border problem!

That’s a ridiculous perception, detached from reality. The numbers that Trump spouts at his rallies go back several years, including under his own term.

Whatever the result of this election, it would be easier to accept if it was based on informed fact. Alas.

binau said: "According to BBC verify illegal crossings reached record numbers under the Biden administration

Assuming this is true, we can't say it is Biden's fault unless we know WHY border crossings were up under him. It may be tied to factors in Latin America rather than Biden border policy. I need to look into this.

and if I recall when confronted on this fact Kamala doesn’t challenge it - instead she points to the bill that they tried to improve the situation but due to Trump’s political games they weren’t able to pass it.

The bill was Democrats attempt to address polls showing that Americans were concerned about the border and add more funding, but Trump ended that. So it's not as if Democrats aren't listening to public opinion.

If it’s not a problem why doesn’t Kamala deny it’s a problem? My understanding is it is uncontroversial, what am I missing?

Neither party can say "don't worry about illegal immigration because our economy depends on it" because that would be politically toxic.

Obviously the number Trump quotes might be misinformation, but he has a tendency to lie and exaggerate."

Thanks for posting the link. I agree it shows that they are capable of dealing with this issue. However, my overall point is that I think the Democrats have given easy ammunition to Trump because as you can see from the data it's not a right-wing conspiracy theory that the numbers have gone up to record levels under the Biden-Harris administration - of course you can argue about the cause in a scientific sense (i.e. what were the push and pull factors) - but what I think is inarguable is that the Biden-Harris administration were governing while this happened and as we can see from the link you posted they did and do have appropriate levers to take action that they did not use until recently. I think it's also inarguable that we are witnessing a stark 180 in Democratic policies that now look more like Trump policies, you can see an NPR article on the below that also discusses this.

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/29/nx-s1-5171441/democrats-shift-immigration

"In the last six months, Biden issued a number of executive actions that mimic those from the Trump administration, including limiting most asylum petitions at the U.S. southern border."

So either we're in a situation where the Democratic Party is so desperate to hold onto power that they will completely undermine their own values and policies to stay in power, or perhaps some of the stronger Trump immigration policies were more appropriate to solve some of these issues at this moment in history. Either way, it's not the best look for the Democratic Party right now in my opinion and it feels self-inflicted that could have been avoided had sooner action been taken.

Also, bwaygurl2 RE: 'both sideisms' I do kind of agree with you. At least in a social media context the worst misinformation I've seen is right-wing misinformation. For example, I have seen doctored Guardian articles with completely false articles claiming that people said things they never said. I also imagine in another reality if Biden/Harris were able to keep a little more control over the border than they did Trump would still claim they are doing a horrible job.

I haven't often seen this kind of blatant false 'fake news' in left-wing social media posts. I think what I often see in left-wing circles is a mischaracterisation or spin on certain issues that feels intellectually dishonest - and this seems to happen all the way to the top leaders of left-wing parties including Kama Harris herself. It's usually easy to tolerate because at least the intentions feel like they have a just cause, but it can be frustrating to see because I think left wing people believe that truthfulness is one of their core values.

I think you're right that it's not symmetrical - but it is significant enough in my opinion that people should still be critical about what they read and watch (I think the best way is to watch as many long-form videos as possible from people with all different perspectives and make up your own mind based on their own words, not short edits or written commentary takes on these same videos). It's by doing this that I have started to realise that in my opinion the Democrats have lost their way and are putting themselves and therefore potentially the country too at risk.

Similarly, it's by doing this that I realise the Republican Party is changing and a lot of people standing alongside Trump are much more reasonable, intelligent, more likely to appeal to swing voters and therefore a greater threat to Democrats than I remember Trump or the Republican Party having in the past (e.g. JD Vance, Tulsi Gabbard, Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy) - I know many of you will still have a visceral reaction to these names but as I have said before I think what we need to do is really pay close attention to the competition and respond in a strategic way or the risk is we become uncompetitive.

This is pyschological torture!

Let it be over.

Let him be over.

I’m not sure if you count me since I’m not a trump supporter as such and I probably won’t give you the disagreement you’re, looking for but I’ll bite

1. For diplomacy reasons it’s important that country leaders have an open dialogue with all other countries. Especially threats. This allows us to advocate for our interests and reduce conflict. Tulsi Gabbard speaks about this very issue, and this is part of her non-interventionist stance on war as one of her main goals is reducing US involvement in wars (which by the way is when the democrats started hating her because she disagreed with Obama’s stance on the Syria situation).


This is an example of Trump having more capable hands than in the past. The Democrats lost a good one.

2. yes

I think if you go and watch Tulsi Gabbard speak you can understand further what she means (who might end up being Secretary of State so important to pay attention) - it's nothing to do with NATO, it's simply making sure the US avoids war unless absolutely necessary such as wanting to avoid the Iraq or Syria interventions, or causing escalations that could result in nuclear war. The general sentiment is less intervention than currently being taken, and I think Tulsi has suggested the plan for Russia is to negotiate an end to the war that will involve a compromise for both Russia and Ukraine. I think it's quite a surprising departure from both typical Republican and Democratic perspectives and sounds more like Bernie Sanders (Tulsi Gabbard and Bernie Sanders were aligned on the general sentiment of reducing war). Tulsi also appears reasonably well qualified to handle these issues given her service in Iraq. Overall, I am much more confident that Trump's foreign policy decisions will be better with Tulsi than without.

I think he will from what I can see of the battle ground states but I absolutely fully acknowledge I may be wrong and it’s not a done deal. I can see a lot of early voting is going Kamala’s way and a lot of contradicting polls too. So not certain of anything.

Today's Marist Poll has Harris at +4. Just 3 days ago, it had Dumpster slightly ahead.

https://x.com/pslst15/status/1853482762960879810?t=Mo2mCeB0pgQS-9bVydszYA&s=19

What would you expect Tulsi to do about Gaza?

If she and Trump are so intent on keeping America out of international conflict, wouldn’t they stop supplying Netanyahu with weapons? I can’t see that happening.

"One of you Dumbplicans wrote a bold type statement and refuted a bunch of issues, sadly. However when I challenged the Dumbplicans to answer my questions they claimed "I answered the questions and he makes up new ones." Well, I never discussed one of those things you bold face typed. I asked you Dumbplicans two things. 1 How do you feel about Dumps cozy relationship with Putin and other dictators? 2 Is global warming a threat to my grandchildrens future?"

For the record, you asked question about Jan 6th and me and others answered it. Correct me if I am wrong but you never responded to my answer or others on our Jan 6th answer. You just pivoted to global warming question for us to answer while you never respond to a question myself or others ask you. You hate Trump but you act just like him using juvenile nickname (Dumplicans) for people who disagree with you. I have had a nice dinner with glass of wine so I will try and be nice to you and for the last time answer a couple of your questions.

1. Trump was POTUS for 4 years, did he get US into any wars? Trump tried to have dialog with Kim Young Un (North Korea) which I believe was two summits to try and work a arms deal. It did not work out, but you think it was bad thing, ok. I doubt their relationship was "cozy". Putin is a world leader, so it is better to have some type of relationship with him than none at all. We all have no idea how good or bad their relationship is and if you think you know you are a fool. You make way too much out of sending Putin some COVID vaccines. You could say it was an example of giving foreign aid to another country.

2. There is global warming on earth. I am not a scientist so I am not going to act like I know the total effect of global warming will have in the future or when it may happen. People like Al Gore look like fools now when they predicted the earth as we know it would be destroyed by global warming by now.

Have a good evening.

Updated On: 11/4/24 at 07:44 PM