Election 2024- Page 38

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 11/15/24 at 10:36am

Z, I don't know you you voted for... but I know it was not Kamala.

That makes you culpable. Sorry.

[Pauly3]

Posted: 11/15/24 at 10:39am

Jay Lerner-Z said: "Pauly3 said: "You just threw your concerns out the car window on your way to vote?"

The decision making process was far more complicated than whether RFK Jr. was a concern or not.  You make things so absurdly simple, when they are not.

The Democrats did not allow voters to have a say in who would be the Democrat nominee, yet they presented themselves to be the gate keepers of Democracy.  They went after Trump legally, which the mere appearance of political/judicial impropriety should have been sufficient not to proceed in indicting a Presidential opponent.  YOUR party was destroying Democracy, more so than mine.  Our Democracy survived Jan. 6th, but it may well not have had your party been successful in imprisoning the Republican Presidential candidate.

Democrats presented Biden as fully capable and then threw him under the buss when he fell down in the polls and demonstrated so viscerally to us all that the Democrat machine was lying to the entire country - and then presented to us Harris as someone so perfect and competent.  He lost it, and she never had it.  They proved it repeatedly.  "nuh uh, you're a sexist and a racist" isn't a valid counter.  And neither is "Trump is Hitler".

Trump's first 3 years, despite all your crap thrown at him, were better, much better, than Biden's/Harris' first 3.  You failed to make a case for your side. Your only effective argument was that Trump is a horrible person.  And the Democrat machine couldn't even argue that with any competence.  If you have to exaggerate and lie, then you don't have much of any argument at all.  Yes, Trump and Republicans do this too.  But our side did not attempt to bury your candidate(s) by putting them in prison or claiming they were another Hitler.

You all can't help yourselves in the over-the-top attacks on Trump and the attacks on people who voted for him.  That I, like so many, used my vote to push back against such crap as "Trump supporters should have a bullet in their skulls" is NOT a surprise.  Wake up!

[Pauly3]

Posted: 11/15/24 at 10:59am

ACL2006 said: "I didn't vote for this trainwreck of an administration, you did. You keep pointing figures at Democrats for what Dumpster is doing to his cabinet now? I'm sure you'll blame Democrats when the Department of Education is dismantled, or when the economy collapses under Dumpster or when gay rights are taken away. Keep pointing fingers at Dems while any Republican refuses to step forward and say something now about what Dumpster is doing because they fear they'll get fired and thrown under the bus."

 

You miss the point, completely.  Trump won because of colossal Democrat failure.  If you weren't such failures, I would not have voted for Trump.  I don't like some of Trump's picks, but there is a silver lining for me that you can't enjoy because of them.  I'm pointing fingers for the reasons Trump is headed back to the white house, not specifically pointing fingers for Trump's picks.  I am simply content to watch Democrats melt down because of them.  You all invite divisiveness and then are bewildered when you get push back.  It would be comical if not so pathetically ridiculous.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 11/15/24 at 11:26am

We promote divisiveness? I mean, really. The GOP candidate could not even concede the last election. He didn’t even have the traditional “handover of power” meeting in the Oval Office, or attend Biden’s inauguration. This is in stark contrast to the images we saw yesterday, of Biden sitting next to Trump with an outstretched hand ready to shake.

Anyway, I blame the two -party system. It’s broken and not serving the people. If Trump wants to “shake things up”, please encourage him to start there. I don’t know how he’d do it, but to get a true overhaul as you so desire this must be a requirement.

 

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 11/15/24 at 11:29am

Also, for the record, I don’t really regard the Dems as “my” party. Limited options.

[Zeppie2022]

Posted: 11/15/24 at 3:27pm

"Z, I don't know you you voted for... but I know it was not Kamala. That makes you culpable. Sorry.'

Jay, that is borderline pathetic. Maybe if Biden/Kamala would have done a better job in 4 years she would not have lost. Maybe if President Biden did not call Trump supporters and almost half the country "garbage", she might not have lost. Maybe with all polls before election telling everyone voters thought country was heading in the wrong direction, Kamala should not have said she could not think of anything she would change that Biden did as POTUS. Maybe if Kamala understood people don't give a damn about Beyonce or Oprah showing up at a rally when they are trying hard to pay the bills. 

Problem with you Jay is that you are actually trying to blame individual people because they had the "nerve" not to agree with you and your friends politically. How dare they do not go into the voting booth and do what you and others expect them to do like good little boys and girls following orders. I am sure you would be thrilled with one party rule as long as it is your side. The Supreme Court was fine for decades when it leaned left, the minute it changed and went right, all of a sudden people like you thought the Supreme Court had to be packed. Trump wins popular vote and notice no outcry about the electoral college being unfair. 

Updated On: 11/15/24 at 03:27 PM

[Zeppie2022]

Posted: 11/15/24 at 3:32pm

" The GOP candidate could not even concede the last election. He didn’t even have the traditional “handover of power” meeting in the Oval Office, or attend Biden’s inauguration. This is in stark contrast to the images we saw yesterday, of Biden sitting next to Trump"

Biden acted like a grownup and did the right thing and is to be commended for it. Trump acted like a spoiled child, and it was a shame and classless. IMO Biden has not looked so happy in quite a while. Maybe he is glad to be leaving and to live the rest of his days enjoying himself.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 11/15/24 at 4:05pm

I suppose it is a bit hypocritical of me to complain about the two-party system and then complain about somebody opting for third party… but… Donald Trump! This is a time of emergency. We should be pragmatic, vote strategically. Least worst viable candidate.

Hopefully one day things will improve.

[kdogg36]

Posted: 11/15/24 at 5:30pm

Zeppie2022 said: "The Supreme Court was fine for decades when it leaned left, the minute it changed and went right, all of a sudden people like you thought the Supreme Court had to be packed."

The Supreme Court has had a Republican-appointed majority for my entire life, and I was born in 1973. I suspect the reaction you describe had to do with Mitch McConnell's refusal to consider - for almost a full year - Obama's nominee to replace Antonin Scalia, while confirming Trump's choice to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg literally days before an election it was clear he was going to use.

Updated On: 11/15/24 at 05:30 PM

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 11/15/24 at 7:01pm

Not to mention that Merrick Garland was already a compromise centrist candidate whom the GOP had previously heralded!

Mitch McConnell. Pure evil. Good fcki g riddance.

[ACL2006]

Posted: 11/18/24 at 8:16pm

Dumpster's new administration is “prepared to declare a national emergency and will use military assets” in its “mass deportation” push.

If anyone even remotely thinks this is a good thing, you need to get your head examined.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/18/trump-says-ready-to-use-military-national-emergency-for-mass-deportations

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 11/19/24 at 12:10pm

Remember the "National Origins Formula”?

That’s what this is. That’s what Trumpers voted for. The only “crime” the vast majority of these immigrants are guilty of is not being Anglo-speaking whites.

 

[ACL2006]

Posted: 11/19/24 at 12:19pm

The amount of times I've had to explain how a tariff works to most people that voted for him over the last weeks is staggering. Some assumed it was a tax break for Americans. Some thought it was a tax on imported goods that that individual country paid for and made it cheaper in the USA. Look at the amount of companies stocking up on supplies now and some companies are already prepping for mass layoffs ahead of him being sworn in. Unemployment gonna spike near 2020 peak COVID levels in 2 years.

My line for the next four years will be "you got what you voted for".

[kdogg36]

Posted: 11/19/24 at 6:13pm

It now appears that Trump will end up with less than 50% of the popular vote, and less than a 1.7% lead over Harris. This isn't a huge, transformational shift, and mostly came about because too many Harris-leaning voters stayed home. It's a smaller popular vote lead than Bush in 2004, Obama in 2008, Obama in 2012, Clinton in 2016, and Biden in 2020.

Will Trump and his garbage supporters continue to boast of a "landslide" and a "historic victory" despite the fact that it's really a razor-thin margin, and that in fact most people voted against him? (It's rhetorical. They're garbage; of course they don't care about the truth.) 

[Zeppie2022]

Posted: 11/19/24 at 7:58pm

"It now appears that Trump will end up with less than 50% of the popular vote, and less than a 1.7% lead over Harris. This isn't a huge, transformational shift, and mostly came about because too many Harris-leaning voters stayed home. It's a smaller popular vote lead than Bush in 2004, Obama in 2008, Obama in 2012, Clinton in 2016, and Biden in 2020."

Considering Biden beat Trump by 4.4% and you say Trump is beating Harris by 1.7%, that is over a 6% difference. I think that is pretty substantial shift in just 4 years to a guy that is personally hated by millions.

"Will Trump and his garbage supporters continue to boast of a "landslide" and a "historic victory" despite the fact that it's really a razor-thin margin, and that in fact most people voted against him? (It's rhetorical. They're garbage; of course they don't care about the truth.) "

Trump got 6 more electoral votes (312-306) than Biden so let me know if you considered Biden's win a landslide. It is a historic victory mainly because Trump will become the 2nd POTUS to serve two terms in office but not consecutively.

Updated On: 11/19/24 at 07:58 PM

[ACL2006]

Posted: 11/19/24 at 8:08pm

Politico is reporting Trump will name Dr. Ladapo of Florida to a senior spot, likely Surgeon General or Assistant HHS. This would be a horrifying pick for trans people. He's responsible for Florida's adult trans ban, and works with SEGM/Anti-trans global movement. He's also an ardent anti-vaxxer.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 11/19/24 at 8:26pm

On the plus side, Congress is about to welcome its first trans representative!

[Zeppie2022]

Posted: 11/19/24 at 8:52pm

"On the plus side, Congress is about to welcome its first trans representative"

Your obsession with identity groups is sad IMO. If I were you, I would be touting the person as an individual and their political beliefs not their identity group. It is also my belief that people like you Jay are hypocrites. If this transgender representative was somebody like Caitlin Jenner, you would not be mentioning it. Like I said to you in another post, liberals want so much for there to be a woman POTUS, but I am sure if that woman was a Republican, you and the media would downplay it -lol. Congratulations to that person for getting elected to Congress, I applaud their individual achievement and don't really care about your identity group.

 

[Zeppie2022]

Posted: 11/19/24 at 8:58pm

"I suspect the reaction you describe had to do with Mitch McConnell's refusal to consider - for almost a full year - Obama's nominee to replace Antonin Scalia, while confirming Trump's choice to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg literally days before an election it was clear he was going to use."

I disagreed with McConnell refusing to consider Garland. At the time, McConnell said he wanted that choice to be made by the next POTUS. Do you believe that McConnell or anybody else thought Trump would win and make that pick?

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 11/19/24 at 9:33pm

Zeppie…

Please try reading “that person”’s book. It might open your eyes!

Tomorrow Will Be Different - Love, Loss, and the Fight For Trans Equality

By Sarah McBride (Representative-elect)

Foreword by Joe Biden

 

 

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 11/19/24 at 9:35pm

I suppose you regard MLK’s obsession with identity politics sad too.

[kdogg36]

Posted: 11/19/24 at 9:35pm

Zeppie2022 said: "Trump got 6 more electoral votes (312-306) than Biden so let me know if you considered Biden's win a landslide."

No one in the universe considered Biden's 2020 win a landslide. That's not the question. Are you saying that Trump's win this year is maybe a landslide? 

"It is a historic victory mainly because Trump will become the 2nd POTUS to serve two terms in office butnot consecutively."

That's not what they're emphasizing whey they say that, and you know it. They're pretending like this is some kind of huge mandate.

 

[kdogg36]

Posted: 11/19/24 at 9:38pm

Zeppie2022 said: "Your obsession with identity groups is sad IMO."

No. Transgender people are an extremely oppressed minority; it's very appropriate to celebrate the fact that some progress has been made. Yes, I'd say that if it were Caitlyn Jenner. 

[kdogg36]

Posted: 11/19/24 at 9:42pm

Zeppie2022 said: "I disagreed with McConnell refusing to consider Garland. At the time, McConnell said he wanted that choice to be made by the next POTUS. Do you believe that McConnell or anybody else thought Trump would win and make that pick?"

Do you think he would have felt differently if he knew Trump would make the pick?

If so, why did he allow Trump to make the pick to replace RBG much, much closer to an election? Why didn't he say then that the choice should be left to the next POTUS? 

[ACL2006]

Posted: 11/20/24 at 8:18am

Linda McMahon for Department of Education? Wasn't expecting his cabinet to be this bizarre, but also not surprised. He's essentially picking anyone that kissed his ass the most the last few years.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-picks-linda-mcmahon-head-department-education/story?id=116033211&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dhfacebook&utm_content=null&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0o0ugLUhqG-UIUlUucltDLn_SdBa6UlG25JIcvMXcXaotuY2WOTykn_Yc_aem_BpQK5pjtaZFrDzX3kZaGtA