Election 2024- Page 35

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 11/7/24 at 4:36pm

“You can NEVER hope to have an understanding of our political system”

Seriously… does anybody?

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 11/7/24 at 4:39pm

Trump “acted like a man”, says Purin.

 

[binau]

Posted: 11/7/24 at 4:41pm

I have never hid the fact that I am not from the US, I just don't want to go into details because I find it a bit, to your use words, creepy. I agree with you there are some things I will never truly understand about the US. However, I love the US, I have spent a lot of time in the US. I love the accomplishments of the US and the contribution to the world. I truly believe it's the greatest and most influential country in the world. I first started getting interested in US politics when I realised that you don't enjoy many of the privileges that many countries outside the US, and genuinely didn't realise until the 2016 primaries that you don't have public healthcare or a high minimum wage or accessible higher education.

I believed and fought with people here at the time that Bernie Sanders should have been the 2016 democratic nominee because Hilary Clinton would be a conservative politician in any other context.

I saw early signs that there was something wrong with the Democratic Party when I watched how they tried to sabotage Bernie for Hillary (e.g. leaked DNC emails). However, I was probably naive at the time as Bernie may never have been elected in a general election and it should have been Hillary, not Trump. I watched the shocking final year of the Trump presidency between COVID and the insurrection knowing he had to go and finally thought sanity would be restored with Biden. It's been disheartening to watch the Democratic Party slowly decline and slip away and I could see this train wreck coming. I genuinely appreciate that some of you have allowed me to indulge my frustrations on this forum, even if it wasn't what you wanted to hear because I know it's annoying to have someone rain on the parade.

Now is the time for the Democratic Party to prepare itself for 2028. I think they can do it if the party leadership first stop putting their own interests before the interests of the party and people. 

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 11/7/24 at 4:49pm

We’ve got 2026 to deal with first! :)

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 11/7/24 at 4:57pm

This article is a bit long, but it illustrates why I am proud to be a Californian (but not by birth).  Our Governor always has our best interests in mind, and I'm looking forward to the results of these efforts.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/07/politics/california-governor-special-session-trump-presidency/index.html

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 11/7/24 at 5:44pm

#Newson2028

(Although what did he ever see in Kimberly Guilfoyle… ?)

[Pauly3]

Posted: 11/7/24 at 5:45pm

Some 70% of the electorate believe the country was headed in the wrong direction.  Given this is the case, any candidate tied to the Biden/Harris administration did not stand a good chance of winning.  If this was the only problem the Democrat party and their supporters faced, Harris would likely have won.  Because Trump was such a bad candidate.  But this wasn't the only problem.

Despite Trump's many issues, many believe they were better off in Trump's first 3 years than in Biden's.  That's a problem, too.  If this was the only other problem, Harris may still have won.

Some of you blame racism and misogyny as a significant factor in your loss.  Have you thought about what would have happened had Biden not been replaced?  He would have received fewer votes than Harris.  Do you doubt that?  Do the math.  The white man would have received fewer votes than the woman of color, yet the reason Harris lost is because of her race and gender?  I suppose if you think Harris was a far better candidate than Biden, then that is how you might counter what I just said.  Face it, she was not a good candidate.  Not before she was appointed, and never after. Notwithstanding all the A-list celebrity endorsements and other elitist finger-pointing.

Have you thought about what the outcome would have been had the Republicans put up a decent candidate?  Harris would have lost by an even greater margin.  Because Harris was a generically bad candidate, who could not separate herself from Biden - not because she was a bad woman of color candidate.

There's nothing racist or sexist going on here.  To state otherwise is foolish and reflects poorly on you, not the opposition.  And push back against this sort of nonsense is partly WHY your candidate lost.

The 70% problem, the "better off during Trump's 3 years" problem, the bad candidate problem, and the baseless racist assertions problem you all bring upon the Democrat party, combined, put Harris in an extraordinarily bad position to win.  Even against the evil Trump.  Race or sex had nothing to do with why enough people did not vote for Harris.

Some of you really believe 70+ million people are stupid and/or evil?  You're going to keep poking the bear?  HARRIS LOST BECAUSE OF THIS ABSURD BEHAVIOR.  Turns out people don't like being called racist and sexist and stupid and evil.  They won't put up with it, for very long.

It's not difficult to understand why so many people backed the evil Trump.  The man is tireless and relentless, and no one pushes back in a bigger way than Trump does.  His giant middle finger directed back at so many of you and those like you WAS a SIGNIFICANT factor in this race.

You just don't get it, and you never learn.  You are your own worst enemies.

There's also this:

"It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them. While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right."

--Bernie Sanders

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 11/7/24 at 5:55pm

If the GOP had put up a “decent" candidate, then Kamala would have won. It’s Trump‘s indecency that swung it.

[Pauly3]

Posted: 11/7/24 at 6:12pm

Jay, you refuse to see Harris was simply a bad candidate in an extraordinarily bad situation - all with YOUR party.  The problems in my party can be incredibly bad, but they aren't the reason you lost.  Your are free to contribute to divisiveness and ignore the lessons history can teach.  It will be to your peril more so than mine, if you ignore what's right in front of you.