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Fox to delay GLEE until Sweeps Month
Liza's Headband
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/28/13
#75Fox to delay GLEE until Sweeps Month
Posted: 7/21/13 at 11:06pm
Sorry to be THAT person but just want to clarify that while I am not downplaying the emotional tie "Dame Lea" had to him, it needs to be reiterated that they were on and off for two years. They were not engaged, they were not a committed relationship.
Some posters on here might tell you otherwise, but I promise you I speak the truth. Not that it really matters at the end of the day. A death is a death and "Dame Lea" can grieve however she wants. But people on this Board are romanticizing a rocky and turbulent relationship.
#76Fox to delay GLEE until Sweeps Month
Posted: 7/21/13 at 11:14pm
I think the posts slamming Lea are pretty harsh. (and I'm not a fan, at all.) Even if he weren't her boyfriend, it's pretty devastating event in a young person's life.
It's hard enough for many, dealing with death at any age, but being young and dealing with the death of someone your age, is incredibly difficult.
Mama, this post is everything. You said it all perfectly.
#77Fox to delay GLEE until Sweeps Month
Posted: 7/21/13 at 11:35pm
Sorry to be THAT person
You mean the douche? Yeah, you're not sorry about that.
but just want to clarify that while I am not downplaying the emotional tie "Dame Lea" had to him, it needs to be reiterated that they were on and off for two years. They were not engaged, they were not a committed relationship.
Some posters on here might tell you otherwise, but I promise you I speak the truth. Not that it really matters at the end of the day. A death is a death and "Dame Lea" can grieve however she wants. But people on this Board are romanticizing a rocky and turbulent relationship.
Romanticizing it? Because people think it's NOT okay to insult the woman over the death of her boyfriend regardless of how TURBULENT it may have been. I reckon that turbulence could have maybe have had something to do with his use of drugs. Hard to believe, but very possible. I assure you anybody whose been in a relationship with a drug addict and then they OD & die is not going to take it well.
#78Fox to delay GLEE until Sweeps Month
Posted: 7/21/13 at 11:41pmHoly crap. No matter what, people are going to try and justify their crappy judgement.
#79Fox to delay GLEE until Sweeps Month
Posted: 7/22/13 at 1:06am
My opinion, however scumlike it is, is just as valid as those who sympathize with Dame Lea. I don't like being targeted just because I don't weep at her lose.
I'll repeat my earlier statement. WE ALL DIE. WE NEED TO ACCEPT DEATH. Get over it.
I'm sad that he died at such a young age, but HE WOULD'VE DIED ANYWAY. Is that hard to understand???????!!!!!!!!
And "crappy judgment?" I'm being honest. Honesty is key. Have you accepted your own death?
#80Fox to delay GLEE until Sweeps Month
Posted: 7/22/13 at 1:18am
Oh please. Using "We all die" as an excuse to be an asshole. Really? Here's the thing people accept death when they near the the end of their lives. When they've lived a long time. Telling somebody at 26 to just accept death is complete bull**** when they haven't even experienced their life yet.
Just because you find it so easy to accept death doesn't mean that others do or that they have to.
To wrap up, What the F*CK does accepting death have to do with being an asshole towards a person? Should we just not mourn? My grandma who was married to my grandpa for 35 years should just get over that he died within a week like you're assuming we all should?
#81Fox to delay GLEE until Sweeps Month
Posted: 7/22/13 at 1:30am
"Just because you find it so easy to accept death doesn't mean that others do or that they have to."
I do my thing and you do yours. I will happily accept whatever happens to me. If I do at 30 or 100, I will be happy to die.
Everyone dies.
Apparently, this makes me the worst human on the planet.
#82Fox to delay GLEE until Sweeps Month
Posted: 7/22/13 at 1:40am
Your personal views on death are not the problem. I think some of us are just turned off by the suicide, "she'll use this to advance her career," and the "she deserves this" comments/"jokes." It comes off extremely tasteless and insensitive. A total lack of empathy. Note: I did not write "sympathy" - there is a big difference.
Updated On: 7/22/13 at 01:40 AM
#83Fox to delay GLEE until Sweeps Month
Posted: 7/22/13 at 1:54am
I think Kristen Johnson's article was powerful. Everything gets turned into a sideshow nowadays including Cory's death. The sad reality is that addicts die everyday. No disrespect to Cory, but when people start praising his work like he was the Meryl Streep of FOX it seems disingenuous. He did a decent job on a mediocre hit show.
He was no different than your neighbor who died from drugs that no one gave a f@#k about. That's just the world.
The amount of press and speculation is ridiculous. I wish everyone who was TRULY close to him peace of heart and mind. To the others who will pretend he meant something to them to make it about THEM, I say get a life.
Gothampc
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/20/03
#84Fox to delay GLEE until Sweeps Month
Posted: 7/22/13 at 1:57amI bet now they wish they hadn't written Finn as leaving the army. That would have made a perfect "out" for the character.
#85Fox to delay GLEE until Sweeps Month
Posted: 7/22/13 at 7:05am
Despite everyone's opinion about Lea, I think what hasn't been mentioned, in regards to the show, is the uniqueness that this girl faces. When she returns to the show, she has to relive and act out her reaction to Finn's death in front of the cameras, crew and other actors, bringing back ALL her feelings and memories about Cory's actual demise !
Even if they weren't Romeo and Juliet, she clearly had feelings for the guy, so can you imagine how incredibly hard this can be for any actor ? So, of course Murphy and Fox have to ask her opinion about everything. Subjecting her to this if she didn't have the strength to do it, would be inhumane and cruel ! And Lea saying the show must go on, because people have mortgages to pay and families to take care of, even if it's for her own reasons, raises her high up in my esteem !
This is not a case of a co-star dying, this the case of the star's boyfriend co-star dying ! I'm amazed by the cruelty here, on a site thet supposedy cares about and loves ACTORS, despite their personalities or personal flaws !
And I'm really puzzled about the negativity against Lea, because she supposedly is a bitch !!! Really ? Like all the divas we worship are Angels ????
Updated On: 7/22/13 at 07:05 AM
#86Fox to delay GLEE until Sweeps Month
Posted: 7/22/13 at 7:39am
"And I'm really puzzled about the negativity against Lea, because she supposedly is a bitch !!! Really ? Like all the divas we worship are Angels ????"
For the LAST time. There is a difference between a "Diva" and an all out "BITCH". Lea is not a Diva. Maria Callas was a Diva. Lea is a little girl with an enormous ego and an even bigger attitude problem. Please learn the difference.
#87Fox to delay GLEE until Sweeps Month
Posted: 7/22/13 at 7:56am
Jordan, I understand what you are saying, but I think we have to take into account age groups ! I do believe that for thousands of gay teens and pre-teens, Lea is the biggest Diva of them all ! You can't expect young people to have the same divas we do, who are in their 50s, 60s and more ! Our Divas like Barbra, Bette, Liza, Patti, Madonna, Cher, Bernadette etc. say absolutely nothing to most of the young generation, unfortunately ! And now that Lea got her own personal tragedy, she is on the way to be a mainstream Diva, too ! But if you disagree I respect your opinion, I always love your posts !
On a side note, I don't get why her personal behavior should affect my opinion of her as an artist ! I understand people who do it but I don't ! Ok, maybe she is a bitch ! The only chance I have of meeting her is as a fan and she is super-nice to fans. So, since I will never work with her or be her friend, the way she behaves is really irrelevant for my opinion of her as an artist ! And as an arist I like her, I really really like her ! 
But what do I know...I adore and worship Madonna and she is one of the biggest ****s on the planet LOL
Updated On: 7/22/13 at 07:56 AM
dramamama611
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/4/07
#88Fox to delay GLEE until Sweeps Month
Posted: 7/22/13 at 8:51am
I've already stuck up for Lea and her mourning. I don't think pain is ever something to mock.
However, when I do find a celebrity whose behavior goes against what I believe in, I DO hold it against them. When you don't, you are telling them that their behavior is acceptable and you applaud them for it. Are there celebrities that have abhorent beliefs that keep it quiet? I'm sure there are, but since they keep it to themselves, I have no information. But if THEY are going to put it out there, I will allow it to affect my opinions.
I'm glad you had a positive experience with Lea, but there are many people here that haven't and MANY times where she's shown her true colors.
Liza's Headband
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/28/13
#89Fox to delay GLEE until Sweeps Month
Posted: 7/22/13 at 9:09amGreek, I can tell you first hand that I have NEVER had a positive experience with "Dame Lea." Also, you can go ahead and try to separate the person from the artist but that's very disingenuous. They are one person. Enough said
#90Fox to delay GLEE until Sweeps Month
Posted: 7/22/13 at 9:32am
dramamama and LH, of course I respect and I can understand people who've had bad experiences with her not liking her and bad-mouthing her ! For the record, I've never met her, I've only seen her on Broadway in Spring Awakening and in TV on Glee !
But, in my opinion, many people here hate her just because they heard or read something bad about her ! And people with no personal experiences slagging her off and mocking her, on such a personal misfortune, are no better than an artist who's a selfish bitch ! That's all I'm saying !
And LH, it is a whole big discussion about the artist and the person being one ! I can understand that, with actors, we all tend to take into account their personality BUT there are hundreds of examples, in my opinion, of, let's say bad-tempered, or cruel, or mean, or rude, or psychotic etc. etc. PEOPLE, that were able to produce timeless, incredible ART in every field ! Why is it disingenuous to enjoy someone's WORK without caring about how he behaves to the people around him ? What does his personal manners have to do with me and my appreciation of his talent ? I understand what you are saying but please try to accept my point of view, too.
Updated On: 7/22/13 at 09:32 AM
#91Fox to delay GLEE until Sweeps Month
Posted: 7/22/13 at 9:57am
I don't really understand Jungle Red's reasoning. He seems to negate all grief on account of "we all die"...um, what?
In any case, I won't have to ponder it too long, as I'm off to throw myself under the 9.30 from Syracuse - now that I know all human life is essentialy meaningless.
Thanks!
Gothampc
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/20/03
#92Fox to delay GLEE until Sweeps Month
Posted: 7/22/13 at 10:02am
"Despite everyone's opinion about Lea, I think what hasn't been mentioned, in regards to the show, is the uniqueness that this girl faces."
So the billions of people who have to go back to work after the death of a loved one aren't unique? I get so tired of people thinking actors are special. She has more support (money, comfort, doctors) than 95% of the rest of the world. She'll find a way to cope.
#93Fox to delay GLEE until Sweeps Month
Posted: 7/22/13 at 10:34am
dramamama611
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/4/07
#94Fox to delay GLEE until Sweeps Month
Posted: 7/22/13 at 10:41am
goth -- I think the reference was more than just returning to work. The fact that the actress will have to portray a character mourning the loss of a boyfriend, when that boyfriend is played by the boyfriend that passed.
While it is unique, the difficult part is separating the two. I will guess that they won't actually have her have to deal with it much, perhaps only see her get the news and cry.
Yes, Jungle, I find your attitude rather unfeeling. Of COURSE everyone dies, but it is painful to let go. Accepting and mourning are two different things.
And honestly, if she (or anyone) did "just get over it" and go about their normal lives, she'd be lambasted for that too for being a cold-hearted bitch.
Another reason I'm glad NOT to be famous. Everyone has an opionion as to how you should react.
#95Fox to delay GLEE until Sweeps Month
Posted: 7/22/13 at 10:42am
gothampc, I talked about the uniqueness of THIS specific case.
Are you telling me that the billions of people who have to go back to work after the death of a loved one, have to RE-ENACT their reaction and grief about their beloved one's death, in front of a crew and for all the world to see ???? Again and again until the director gets it right ?
Please, if you can't have compassion, at least have some perspective ! Yes, she will find a way to cope, everyone does. That doesn't mean we are forbidden to think of her and wish her well... at least those of us who want to.
Edit. dramamama thanks, you beat me to it by a minute
Updated On: 7/22/13 at 10:42 AM
#96Fox to delay GLEE until Sweeps Month
Posted: 7/22/13 at 10:47am
"I do believe that for thousands of gay teens and pre-teens, Lea is the biggest Diva of them all!"
I almost spit out my OJ over this. Are you serious? I don't many teenagers anymore, but I am probably guessing the Babs is still the biggest Diva of them all. I could be wrong, though.
I empathize with Lea on the death of her boyfriend, but to make it more serious than it was doesn't make sense to me. I'll repeat myself. They weren't married. They weren't engaged. They didn't have children. We don't know what their plans were. Don't make Lea's reaction your reaction.
#97Fox to delay GLEE until Sweeps Month
Posted: 7/22/13 at 10:52am
"I think the reference was more than just returning to work. The fact that the actress will have to portray a character mourning the loss of a boyfriend, when that boyfriend is played by the boyfriend that passed."
Right. BUT (and it's a big BUT) the difference is that she has a choice in if she wants to do that or not. If Ryan Murphy was going to "cancel" the entire series based on her "I don't wanna do this anymore" than he CLEARLY would have written Finn out in a different way other than having him die, had she asked. Since she's the one who's (for some unknown reason) in charge of the series, she has a say in what she does and how the show is written.
dramamama611
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/4/07
#98Fox to delay GLEE until Sweeps Month
Posted: 7/22/13 at 11:02am
I will say the one thing I agree with Jungle over: fans being overwrought is a bit ridiculous. Another thing that I don't understand about 'fandom'. People convince themselves that their lives have changed but that's seldom true.
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
#99Fox to delay GLEE until Sweeps Month
Posted: 7/22/13 at 11:11am
"I don't many teenagers anymore, but I am probably guessing the Babs is still the biggest Diva of them all. I could be wrong, though."
Clearly. Um, no. Quite.
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