Mel Gibson's Racist Rant Caught On Tape (now with Audio) — Page 3

“I left my wife because we had no spiritual common ground.”

Wasn't it years ago that he blurted out that he loved his wife, but she was still going to Hell because she wasn't Catholic?

Well, she is not an innocent victim here.Yeah, she is scared for her life and she should be. The man is nuts! However,lets not forget She taped him without his knowledge and she had everything to gain. No excuse for Mel's conduct and I sure as hell am not defending him.However, why did she tape him? What was her motive? Oh, and I want to know who leaked the tape because if it were her she is in a lot of trouble,especially swearing under oath that it was not her. Who else had the recordings? She knew he would have to provide financially for their child. Oh, and what exactly did she say or how was he provoked? She knew when to tape him and what she would get out of him so she is just as screwed up as he is (probably a little smarter than him though) so spare me the 'she is 100% innocent 'crap. Why didn't she file a police report or call the cops back in January when this all took place? Odd how she made the claims and the tape was released to the media almost days apart.There are many questions this woman has to answer for.

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Well, she is not an innocent victim here

That is exactly what Mel and other abusers like him brainwash their victims to think. But YES, she IS innocent. She did NOTHING deserving of being victimized in that way.

She did what she needed to do which is to document and create a trail of evidence to present to court. OF COURSE she is going to have to do that without his knowledge. You'd be shocked to know how much abusers get away with in court, even with evidence, so it is CRUCIAL that she had this taped. Also, don't assume that she knew when to tape him and what she would get out of him. That is foolish. She may have suspected that things were escalating but that is easy enough to know if you have been through the cycle of abuse long enough. My guess is that she taped several conversations and we are just hearing clips of the one(s) that got heated.

I'm really not going to get into a discussion here with you about why she didn't file a police report at the time. It would be an insult to those abused to try and pretend that I understand what goes through their head well enough to break it down for you in a short answer. Just know that it's not unusual for victims to minimize the abuse to police or for them to not want the police involved at all.

You think this is just about verbal abuse? It's about physical and emotional as well. And let's not forget the child is witnessing this too.

I do question her motives and do think she is after money

She clearly states in the recording she doesn't want another penny for herself. She wants to feel safe and not fear for her and her child's LIFE.

I'm sorry, but your arguments for questioning her motives don't hold much water with me. You think she chooses rich men who are going to be abusive? Nobody consciously chooses abuse for themselves and their children. These men are VERY charming at first. And if she does have a history of abuse does it not make sense to you that she may be more prone to repeat what she knows because she's been told she doesn't deserve better, or have a warped sense of what love should feel like?

I'm interning at a Domestic Abuse Center right now so forgive me if this story has brought out the advocate in me. I'm not claiming to be an expert, but after having gone through some extensive training on the subject there are certain things about this situation that are black and white to me: he is at fault, she is not.

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I feel a combination of sadness and schadenfreude about the whole thing. On the one hand, I've thought he was a bigoted jerk for a while no, so it's fun to finally see him get taken down. On the other hand, I feel bad that Gibson is wasting his life obsessing over a religion that clearly isn't doing him much good. He was undeniably beautiful when he was younger, and he's a talented man. I just wish he had the strength to take a good hard look at himself and let go of the bigoted ideas that were drilled into his head by his crazy father.

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Romantico, you seem awfully eager to ascribe motives to this woman.

I don't think any of us have the insight as to what is going on in this relationship in any detail based on two ten minute phone calls.

That said, I agree watching this man ruin everything he has has gone beyond celebrity schadenfreude for me. It's just lurid and sad.

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No, you are missing my point. He didn;t know he was being taped.I am not making excuses and you appear to understand that I am not making excuses for Mel but then you say these things that make it appear as if I am excusing Mel. That's the problem I am having here. Maybe communicating over the internet is somehow garbling my message.

I have no problem with this tape being released. Sneaky on her part? Yes. Was she maybe looking out for herself and child? Probably. This was why I keep asking who advised her to record the tapes. If it was her lawyer,I feel he should have taken more control. Made her file a police report. Document everything. I am not sure if these tapes can be used in court.A lawyer would have made her get out of the house. File a restraining order. A lawyer would have guided her and protected her and she would have done things to avoid things escalating and been doing them according to the law.If it was her friend who Mel mentions on the tape and she is doing things on her own instincts,that could be very bad.

I do not think anything can benefit Mel however,lets examine this woman's character. Mel was married at the time of this affair. He was not divorced.Mel's record label Icon signed her and he even directed a music video for her.

http://www.zimbio.com/Oksana+Grigorieva/articles/xCbVAiWoW_y/Oksana+Grigorieva+Mel+Gibson+Scantily+Clad

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20284893_20633423,00.html

I am not saying she deserved to be abused verbally or physically but do you really think this woman is 100% innocent? Do you really think she does not want any of his money? Do you really think she just wants to raise her child away from the public? Come on. Yeah, he probably put her through hell but I think she saw this side of him long ago. You are studying this. You must see women like her all the time. Am I safe to say there is a pattern here between women like this?

Bottom line is, I think Mel is scum and it is sad to see him throw all this away.I think he is sick and needs help. However, I do not think his girlfriend is totally clean and has some issues herself. This is all I am saying. You seem to think by me saying that I am taking Mel's side or painting him as the victim. I do think there is more to this story we do not know and no, whatever there is will not benefit Mel but I must admit, I want to understand his meltdown. I am curious to see how he could fall so deep. I do question her motives but do feel she has been abused and should have taken other measures that would have benefited her in the long run.If you still think I am this jerk for questioning her,then fine. I just think there is more to this that will come out that will show she is not this saint she appears to be and both are crazy in their own way.

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Updated On: 7/12/10 at 10:02 PM

"I am not saying she deserved to be abused verbally or physically but do you really think this woman is 100% innocent?"

You may not be a jerk you keep framing your point this way and that IS 100% jerky.

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And fortunately victims being "100% innocent" is not required to find a perpetrator "100% guilty."

It's 100% irrelevant.

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He was undeniably beautiful when he was younger...

...As if that automatically makes you a good person with integrity and/or morals.

Someone who expresses himself in this way and who threatens someone's life has no spiritual ground. He is so in denial if he thinks that he has anything remotely resembling spirituality in his life.

He's absolutely demonic and he needs professional help.

There's a great saying that goes:

"If anybody can make you angry, you are the loser. If anyone can steal your happiness, peace, away from you, you are the loser."

Mel Gibson is A LOSER.

No has answered my question yet as to why did she not report this abuse back in January?

YES, I did. Twice. Third time a charm? OK. I don't know specifically why she didn't but most victims don't just up and announce it when it's happening. They hide it. They minimize it. They tell people that ask about bruises that it was an accident. They do whatever they can to protect their abuser. The reasons why are complex because trauma does crazy things to the brain, including making the person appear calm and collected when really they are terrified inside (look up PTSD and flat affect/withdrawal). If police are called by others, the victim will lie and say nothing is wrong. Unfortunately most cops aren't trained to see the signs.

If she had called the cops during the first sign of trouble or abuse there would be no tapes and it would not have escalated to this point.

Once again your language is accusatory. "If she had only..." as if it were her fault or there was something she could have done better to prevent it. In a perfect world maybe calling the cops would put an end to it but most often NO, IT DOESN'T. Now imagine you're a cop on a DV call and someone appears unemotional and is telling you nothing happened. How much will you really be able to do? Calling the cops can actually be more dangerous to her because imagine what will be coming to her once the police leave. That's generalizing, but hopefully you get the idea.


She is fighting custody of her child and she has broken the law by recording their private conversation.I bring this up because I am sure this will be used against her in a court of law.

That's like saying she shot him in self defense but his lawyers will argue in the custody case that she didn't have a proper license to carry the gun. Hopefully you understand how silly that sounds. The tapes are only going to help her case for custody. I'll ask again, why are you so fixated on the legality of the recording and distribution of the tapes?

Why did she stay with him if she saw this violent behavior? These are fair questions I am asking and I am sure they have been asked already.

Definitely a fair question and one that it the hardest to understand. There is no simple answer. You obviously didn't watch the video I linked you to... it does a good job at trying to explain why victims stay. I recommend you watch it.