Official Glee Love Thread (Part 2)- Page 10

[Gothampc]

Posted: 11/10/10 at 4:48pm

The writing is all over the place. For example, Finn supports Kurt in the Lady Gaga episode by putting on the costume and standing up to his fellow footballers. Yet when the writers need a melodramatic tears moment for Kurt, suddenly nobody is there to support him.

And remember Season 1 when Kurt helped the football team to win using "Put A Ring On It".

So this episode didn't make a lot of sense in the context of the character's arc.

[pli1018]

Posted: 11/10/10 at 5:03pm

"IMO, one of the most thought provoking and organic gay teen storyline on television is Marshall's from "United States of Tara."

AMEN! Marshall's coming out storyline never felt forced, boring nor did it take over the show and bring it down like Kurt's storyline has.

[Gothampc]

Posted: 11/10/10 at 5:08pm

I also wonder if gay is the issue du jour for tv. Blair Underwood's character on "In Treatment" talks about it as well, but the writers didn't develop it.

[Jon]

Posted: 11/10/10 at 8:09pm

I saw the closeted bully kiss coming a mile away.

[nomdeplume]

Posted: 11/11/10 at 10:49pm

Dot Jones is phenomenal, what an actress. She can access and deliver her deepest vulnerability in an instant. Almost everyone else is flat, stuck way out in parody or gushing, whereas she is just real. Love her. She even has a Merman-esque quality about her. Too much, her crazy sexy outfits she appeared in with her straight-faced enticements! I'll bet that was fun. The big question is, does she sing? Is she going to belt us one of those 11o'clock "Climb Every Mountain" showstoppers unexpectedly? Pull a Susan Boyle?

All the music this episode was yuck. Again, they left their best singer on the bench. At least he got to kiss the Coach while he was warming it. Sweetest kiss I ever saw Matt give.

So tired of Kurt "sitting on his moment" all the time. Where's that dumpster? Why the hell isn't the director stomping on him every time he does that crap so the show will keep moving instead of letting the show "die" each time he milks his "so, so important, all about me" moment every 13 seconds. Bleahhhh. It's been allowed to get ridiculous. He wasn't doing that so much back when he briefly joined the football team and did his single ladies routine. His acting seemed more focused (on acting rather than himself) then and didn't detract from the show. I am so sick of all the ECU's of his gushing baby face. If he can't afford to attend Blaine's private school, he can't afford the zillion expensive outfits they put him in every six seconds either. What's up with that?

Loved Mike Chang's low-cut multi-colored jersey sweater at the beginning of the show but I barely got to see it, not a decent shot of it anyway, and--poof!--he was wearing something else. If you are going to put a guy in an interesting bit of costume at least let the audience see it. That jersey needs to come back for another look, with him in it.

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 11/11/10 at 11:02pm

The big question is, does she sing? Is she going to belt us one of those 11o'clock "Climb Every Mountain" showstoppers unexpectedly? Pull a Susan Boyle?

She said in a Leno interview that she will be singing.

[snl89]

Posted: 11/12/10 at 1:11pm

"So tired of Kurt "sitting on his moment" all the time. Where's that dumpster? Why the hell isn't the director stomping on him every time he does that crap so the show will keep moving instead of letting the show "die" each time he milks his "so, so important, all about me" moment every 13 seconds. Bleahhhh. It's been allowed to get ridiculous. He wasn't doing that so much back when he briefly joined the football team and did his single ladies routine. His acting seemed more focused (on acting rather than himself) then and didn't detract from the show. I am so sick of all the ECU's of his gushing baby face."

What exactly is he "milking", other than the fact that he'd like to be able to walk down the hallway without being slammed into lockers multiple times a day???

Honestly, I just don't get why everyone acts like Kurt is just a whiner who doesn't have any legitimate reason to be at the end of his rope. He HAS put up with the ridiculous harassment he gets- probably for most if not all of his school life. And yes, now it's starting to get to him- as it probably would PLENTY of people in his position.

Not to say that he hasn't been quite on edge and pushing people away lately- he has. But I can't for the life of me understand why people seem to think it's HIS fault that he can't just tolerate being constantly shoved into things and harassed.

I do think there are little comments here or there that the writers could stand to lay off on a bit, for the sake of not making it seem like he IS trying to milk it (for example he really doesn't need to mention being the only out gay kid anymore- we get it. SHOWING the isolation is more effective than having him always saying it in the same way). But that's just the occasional line too many of the same thing. Doesn't negate the fact that he actually is treated horribly at McKinley, and it's not his responsibility to just stand there and take it. That's what he did for presumably years and years, and now it's time for a change. That's not him being all "woe is me"- it's the reality of the situation.

Now if, say, this became a discussion in the glee club and the others talked about the ways in which they're harassed (particularly Artie and Rachel since they're the other ones who've gotten it really bad), and Kurt tried to pass it off like their suffering doesn't matter while his does, THEN I'd be annoyed. But we've never been given any indication that he wouldn't acknowledge he's not the only one who gets bullied. The others just never bring it up, and Kurt's really the only one for which the bullying has actually gotten worse over time and not better.


I'm not trying to put Kurt on a pedestal here- he's certainly had an attitude lately and mostly I'm just REALLY ready him to be happy again haha- but I just don't get where this whole "omg all he does is whine" attitude is coming from. "Whining" implies that there's not true, legitimate reasons why a person would be upset/having a hard time. And in Kurt's case, there absolutely are. Just because he's the one who it's getting to the most doesn't mean that's his fault.

Updated On: 11/12/10 at 01:11 PM

[Gothampc]

Posted: 11/12/10 at 2:46pm

There is a huge difference between the Kurt of Season 1 the first few episodes and the Kurt after the series got picked up. We need to see a bit more of the Kurt from early Season 1.

[snl89]

Posted: 11/12/10 at 3:13pm

I think they just need to let him actually be happy for a while, is all :) I don't personally feel that he's become any less of a sympathetic character, it's just his charm has kind of been lost with all the angst that has happened.

Which is kind of unfortunate not just because it's obviously affecting his likability for some people, but also because Chris is really funny and great with the comedy stuff, and he hasn't been able to show it off lately! The way they're writing makes it almost seen like he's a bit of a one trick pony, when in fact the reason he was cast in the first place was more because of his comedic skills. I think the fact that he happens to be a beast with the angst stuff was just a fluke haha.


But yeah, I'm hopeful that once this bullying stuff gets handled, they'll give him some more happy carefree things to do that show off his charm once more :P

[Shunterk]

Posted: 11/12/10 at 3:17pm

Okay, I rarely post on boards, but I cannot stand Kurt or really Glee in general. I am an out and proud gay kid and while I get most annoyed by Kurt's story line because I cannot relate to it, at all.

I think really this all relates to the terribly false world of "Glee" where football players and cheerleaders lead the hierarchy at school and most of the school's most talented and prettiest people are "outcast." This ridiculous 50's concept of being outcast because you're different is such a ridiculous idea in relation to modern times, that it almost seems romanticized. And that is why there is the idea that because Glee portrays these extremely overblown stereotypes, they are still relatable. The idea that these characters are relatable flew out of the window early in the first episode.

I grew up in a southern town. I am quite flamboyant at times. I have never been persecuted or bullied for being the person I am. I know that is not the case for a lot of gay students in the world, but I have been fortunate enough to never have someone question me for my sexuality.

Kurt is the epitome of a gay stereotype to the point where, I would argue, he only perpetuates it. I have NEVER in my life as a homosexual seen a gay who wears such ridiculous outfits, wears make-up or carries himself is such a way. Kurt is such an overblown stereotype (like the rest of the characters on the show) that he is completely un-relatable.

Kurt, however, lives in his own world where even though his father has told him he accepts him, Kurt still acts as though he has no family. Even though there are students and teachers offering him help, he still says, "It's my hill to climb alone." No, it's not. Separating yourself emotionally and physically makes you a prime target for bullying and only allows terrible things into your life. The writers are creating this world for Kurt where the viewer is expected to hate the perpetrators and never question why these events take place again, and again and again.

Also, Why is it that whenever we see Kurt outside of the questioning of his sexuality, he is portrayed as this manipulative little stereotypical dick. We see him act like an ass towards Finn for nearly 3 episodes or "weeks" as he tries to get something homosexual out of Finn, and then when Finn explodes, we are expected to pity Kurt? Kurt is always trying to upstage everyone else and manipulate everyone so that he can get his way. He treated Rachel like **** for nearly the entire first season. We are shown an image of his father having a heart attack and then, when we see Kurt, he is seen telling a football player that he is better than him. This disgusts me. Kurt is written to think that he is better than everyone else, and he voices this opinion. This is not realistic in the least and if he was really feeling hurt by the bullying, he would stop having this "better than you" attitude.

But we, as the viewers, are expected to see Kurt continuously question his relationship with his father. Even though Burt (Excellent name choice there) has stated that he merely wants his son to be happy and safe, Kurt still tries to change himself to be what he thinks his father wants. Why?

Not to mention, the idea that the bullies are only insecure with their own sexuality is an incredibly false statement and stereotype in itself that has been perpetuated for many, many years. So what, because these children hurt others, then obviously it is because they fear they are different? No. Did the Americans fear they were Japanese? Did they fear they were indian? Did Malfoy fear he was a mudblood? NO. These people have fears that force them to act in a certain way, and while some of them may be their own insecurities about their sexuality or race or religion, a lot are merely because they are scared by their abusive parents or misdirected futures.

Kurt disgusts me because he makes it harder for gay teens, like myself, to go out and convince the world that we are not petty, dress-wearing outsiders, but in fact, there is nothing that signifies a "gay."

[MrMidwest]

Posted: 11/15/10 at 4:50pm

Glee Stars Support 'Concert Against Hate'

[strummergirl]

Posted: 11/15/10 at 4:53pm

If you haven't clicked on BroadwayWorldTV already, please watch the Gleebabies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKEjrifP9Oo

[BellatrixxLestrangee]

Posted: 11/16/10 at 9:06pm

Am I the only one who thought that episode was just extremely awkward?

[MotorTink]

Posted: 11/16/10 at 10:06pm

they gave me my future husband shirtless, so for that the episode gets a thumbs up, but otherwise, ehhh. A few funny parts, a few cute, and a few ehhhh. I just have not been thrilled by the song choices this season.

[Marianne2]

Posted: 11/16/10 at 10:12pm

I actually really liked it. It was a bit odd having Terry show up out of nowhere though. And the Mercedes thing was strange. But, I actually liked the music tonight. Probably because I have a bias to Singin' In the Rain.

[strummergirl]

Posted: 11/16/10 at 10:34pm

I loved Mercedes daydreaming how she felt like Blaine and Kurt's conversation was going in her head.

Mr. Schuester having a fever dream involving Singin' In The Rain... and Mike Chang? Well, at least the performance was good.

This felt like the first 13 episodes of Season 1 with inexplicable budgets and too hot for public school numbers, though that is also aided by Terri's presence.

And God strike me down, I mostly enjoyed Gwyneth as Holly Holliday. But that could be because I actually did have Spanish teachers who would converse with us about popular culture like Lindsay Lohan. Her Mary Lincoln also made me laugh.

EDIT: I actually thought this episode had the best song choices of any episode so far this season (not really fair since one was Brittney Spears and another Rocky Horror).
Updated On: 11/16/10 at 10:34 PM

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 11/16/10 at 10:37pm

Sam was not shirtless so I do not approve.

[Marianne2]

Posted: 11/16/10 at 10:40pm

My only gripe, which I know is very minor had to do with Make 'Em Laugh. The end where they were running up the walls, the last one more looked like they jumped through purposely. In the movie, that was not the case at all.

[picturetaker9211]

Posted: 11/16/10 at 11:53pm

This week's episode did nothing for me. Didn't really care for the storylines or the songs. Except for the babies! Those kids needed more screen time/lines.
As a singer, Gwyneth's voice reminded me of Kurt, which got surprisingly distracting. Her numbers were ok. The number with Rachel was super fun & cute. I like Cee Lo's original F*ck You much more though. I don't know if I like the Umbrella/Singing in the Rain. Make 'Em Laugh was really enjoyable, loved Matt & Harry together.
The Mercedes/tots thing was weird. But I'm glad she's open to having a boyfriend because that girl needs some love too!
To be honest, I'm kind of sick hearing about Darren Criss/Blaine/Klaine. It's good that Kurt gets to be happy, but I honestly never cared THAT much for Kurt, except for in last week's episode. BTW all gays MUST love Patti Lupone!
Every time I see Terri, I want to strangle her.

[beautywickedlover]

Posted: 11/17/10 at 1:04am

I liked Matthew's version of "Make Them Laugh," but I prefer the version Joesph Gordon Levitt did on "Saturday Night Live." Gwyneth was a terrific guest star.
Updated On: 11/17/10 at 01:04 AM

[jets]

Posted: 11/17/10 at 7:21am

I feel like this was the episode Cheno was supposed to do. Holly Holiday was very much like April Rhodes. I think they bumped Cheno in order to let Paltrow promote her new movie.

[broadwayjim42]

Posted: 11/17/10 at 7:22am

The episode was typically scattershot in terms of plot, but I loved Gwyneth. She really got into the spirit of things and unless they autotuned the hell out of her, she sounded great.

[Gothampc]

Posted: 11/17/10 at 10:21am

Not one of their good episodes.

Glee has now taken the position that Matt Morrison and Lea Michele are the stars and it is not going to be an ensemble show. Those two will get a song no matter how out of place it is in the show. The Mercedes storyline needed a song. The tater tots plot was ridiculous, but could have been saved with a good song. In the cafeteria, when she does the Norma Rae bit, was the perfect place for her to belt out a song. Lost opportunity and it would have been better than having to sit through Lea Michele's poor imitation of Chicago.

The writing is so idiotic. The students say that Mr. Shu is not with the times. So what was the Lady Gaga episode all about? And I remember him doing at least one rap number where he was rolling around on the floor.

I hope that we never hear another word about how this school can't afford this or that. If they have enough money to provide a rain machine, they're rolling in the dough.

And I agree that this script felt like it had been written with Chenoweth in mind.

[picturetaker9211]

Posted: 11/17/10 at 12:35pm

Gothampc, what episodes of Glee DO you like?

[Gothampc]

Posted: 11/17/10 at 1:34pm

"Gothampc, what episodes of Glee DO you like?"

The ones that have good music and a coherent story.