Poor Kim Davis, whatcha gonna do?

[tazber]

Posted: 8/31/15 at 10:43pm

Resign or go to jail, oh whatcha gonna do?

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 8/31/15 at 10:48pm

 Has she really been married four times or is that just a marvelous inernet rumor that stuck? 

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 8/31/15 at 10:49pm

How is she just not allowed to do her job and not be fired?

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/31/15 at 10:51pm

What part am I missing about the way this has been managed?  Job descriptions change often, a person is presented with their new job requirements, and if they can't fulfill them, they leave.  "It's not a good fit."  "Things are going in a different direction."  "Thanks for your service."

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 8/31/15 at 10:58pm

 Like a true conservative, she wants to suckle that sweet sweet government teat.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 8/31/15 at 11:01pm

I get that but I don't understand how she's been allowed to still be employed there when she tells the world she's not going to do her job. 

[tazber]

Posted: 8/31/15 at 11:03pm

I know that legalese often comes off and hyperbolic, but this is Onion worthy:

 

"In her belief," the lawyers wrote, "(same-sex marriage) is not, in fact, marriage."

They said issuing a same-sex license would amount to a "searing act of validation" that would "forever echo in her conscience."

 

Let's see what ends up being the tougher pill for her to swallow, the destruction of her conscience (whether or not she even has a conscience is whole other discussion) or giving up her cushy 80k salary.

[AEA AGMA SM]

Posted: 8/31/15 at 11:16pm

She's in an elected position, so they can't just fire her. I guess they would essentially have to impeach her if she's not willing to leave her position willingly. I would assume that now that there's no higher level to go to if she doesn't start performing her job it could be considered contempt of court and the state legislature could begin impeachment proceedings.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 9/1/15 at 5:42am

 

Because it is an elected position, only the voters can fire her, through an impeachment process.

[tazber]

Posted: 9/1/15 at 6:12am

Here's what I read, and I'm sorry I can't find the link (I was just searching for the source, but I can't recall which news outlet it was) so take this as you will:

 

Obviously this can't continue. She will be held in contempt of court and given either 1 year jail time and a $500.00 fine or a lesser sentence of 90 days in jail and a $200.00 (I think) fine.

 

Her office on the meantime will be issuing licenses.

 

Since it's clear she won't relent, there is a way to have her removed from office (no one has used the word impeached), but that must be recommended by the legislature to the governor.

 

In order for the legislature to make that recommendation a series of events must occur, of which her sentence to jail time is the final step.

 

I'm sure that's slightly inaccurate, but the point is she absolutely can be removed if the situation warrants it.

 

I'll keep looking for the source.

 

[tazber]

Posted: 9/1/15 at 6:19am

......and in searching for the above mentioned link I have come across several other sources which contradict the source I paraphrased.

 

So who the f**k knows.

 

But at some point she will lose. Everyone agrees with that.

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 9/1/15 at 7:11am

Are her lawyers using the hell out of her? 

I think that goes without saying. Who tells their client to ignore a court order?

[SNAFU]

Posted: 9/1/15 at 8:02am

Yes, they are. However she is a victim of her own choosing. There is no sympathy for her on this end.

[tazber]

Posted: 9/1/15 at 9:13am

The ugly pile of human feces is still refusing.

 

She'll be held in contempt andprobably get a fine (which will be paid for by her psycho christy supporters no doubt).

 

And then hopefully jail time, at which point her office will issue the licenses.

 

 

Updated On: 9/1/15 at 09:13 AM

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 9/1/15 at 9:25am

I just don't understand the legal confusion here. When you become a public servant or employee of the government, your privately-held and personal beliefs cannot impede or impact your ability to appropriately follow the federal government's laws (which now includes the recognition of same-sex marriage). I believe there is a legal document they must sign upon employment, actually, that states as much. 

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 9/1/15 at 9:27am

I'm just glad she's giving this issue attention and creating precedent.  Keep it up, bigot lady!  You're crafting your own worst nightmare.

[tazber]

Posted: 9/1/15 at 9:31am

Liza's Headband said: "I just don't understand the legal confusion here. When you become a public servant or employee of the government, your privately-held and personal beliefs cannot impede or impact your ability to appropriately follow the federal government's laws (which now includes the recognition of same-sex marriage). I believe there is a legal document they must sign upon employment, actually, that states as much. 

 

But you know how the legal system works. It could still potentially take months for this to be resolved.

 

There is no doubt she will lose, but there are still plenty of hoops to be jumped through before it's all over.

 

Our tax dollars at work!

 

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 9/1/15 at 9:49am

Taz -- this is actually emblematic of a much larger problem: big government. It has become nearly impossible to discipline or terminate government employees thanks to a number of unfair safeguards and protections put in place over the last few decades. Every administration and congress is guilty of it. As an example... The fact that there was no law allowing the Department of Veteran Affairs to fire its own hospital executives based on poor performance, until this past calendar year, is completely reprehensible. Granted those particular employees are not elected; they're hired. But our government and system is broken. This Kim Davis issue is another perfect example. We must better monitor and hold accountable, enforce stricter employment practices/standards, and treat the government like an actual business. Not a bureaucracy. 

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 9/1/15 at 9:53am

I am not sympathizing with her in the least, I just think her lawyers should be held to the same punishment she is, as they are advising her to go against court rulings. 

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 9/1/15 at 10:54am

But she's not required to take their advice.

If sh*tty lawyers received the same punishment as their clients, there'd be scores of them on death row.

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 9/1/15 at 10:56am

This is true.

[tazber]

Posted: 9/1/15 at 12:11pm

She's been summoned to the principal's office:

 

MOREHEAD, Ky. — A county clerk in Kentucky who has invoked "God's authority" and is defying the U.S. Supreme Court by refusing to license same-sex marriage has been summoned along with her entire staff to explain to a federal judge why she should not face stiff fines or jail time.

U.S. District Judge David Bunning moved swiftly Tuesday after a lesbian couple asked him to find Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis in contempt. Davis told several couples and a crowd of supporters and protesters that her religious beliefs prevent her from sanctioning gay marriage, and then retreated again, closing her office door and blinds to the raucous scene outside.

The U.S. Supreme Court declined to intervene Monday night, leaving Davis no legal ground for her continued refusal Tuesday morning. Lawyers for the two gay couples who originally sued her asked the judge Tuesday to find her in contempt, but punish her with only financial penalties, not jail time.

"Since Defendant Davis continues to collect compensation from the Commonwealth for duties she fails to perform," they asked Bunning to "impose financial penalties sufficiently serious and increasingly onerous" to compel her immediate compliance without delay.

Rowan County Attorney Cecil Watkins says the federal court alerted him that a hearing is scheduled for 11 a.m. Thursday in Ashland.

 

Link

[Kad]

Posted: 9/1/15 at 12:18pm

"He pointed to the gay rights protesters gathered on the courthouse lawn and said: "They want us to accept their beliefs and their ways. But they won't accept our beliefs and our ways."

I am so sick of this argument. It's the equivalent to the equally stupid, "It's just my opinion!" when someone is called for asserting something wrong or baseless.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 9/1/15 at 12:22pm

I am so sick and tired of Christians. I'm sorry, but I just am. I have so many friends who say "We're not all like that!" but at this point, I don't really care anymore. You don't hear Jews, Buddhists or even Muslims (in this country) denying people equal rights because of their religion. It's ONLY Christians. And frankly, they can all go f*ck themselves.

[Kad]

Posted: 9/1/15 at 12:28pm

Some sects of Orthodox Jews can actually be extremely xenophobic and discriminatory and can be pretty terrible. They are just far, far more insular- they typically live in outsider-unfriendly enclaves. That's the difference- their terribleness is contained to small areas.

Updated On: 9/1/15 at 12:28 PM