The Late Joan Rivers: 'Does this urn make my ash look fat?'- Page 28

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 9/10/14 at 11:39pm

I try to play to the smart people.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 9/11/14 at 1:58pm

On Jimmy Fallon last night, Hugh Jackman talked about singing "Quiet Please, There's a Lady on Stage" at the funeral...and then he lies down on Jimmy's couch.




HUGH JACKMAN TALKS ABOUT HIS 'SCENE-STEALING' SHOWTUNES NUMBER AT JOAN RIVERS' FUNERAL: VIDEO

[sabrelady]

Posted: 9/11/14 at 8:52pm

I found myself wondering if Melissa will try to get Christies/Sothebys to auction off Joan's tchotchkes like they did for Jackie O.. It would give her mother such nachas to see herself & her old hair curlers in that league.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 9/14/14 at 4:24pm

Leave it to the Economist to have the last word.

http://www.economist.com/news/obituary/21616858-joan-rivers-americas-most-abrasive-comedienne-died-september-4th-aged-81-joan-rivers

[sabrelady]

Posted: 9/14/14 at 5:02pm

I guess it was kinds funny- just along way to go.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 9/14/14 at 5:10pm

I know that by replying to this I am guaranteeing it won't be, but do you *promise* this is the last word? I realized you have linked around half a dozen last words previously in this thread. I have actually found the veneration and excuse-making for Joan's viciousness depressing.

I happen to be in a supervisory position for a group of gay men who are of the more current generation than I am and just today I had to actually put a stop to the mean things they were saying to each other ("We're just joking!", "It's how we talk to each other!") while they were working with members of the public who could hear what they were saying, but didn't necessarily know it was about each other and not them.

It's very disheartening. This is a generation for which any kind of sexual banter or innuendo is "triggering" and "creepy" and apparently just a couple of steps short of rape, but this muscular one calling that muscular one a "fat ass" is just joking and how they talk to each other. One of them, for some reason, happened to mention to his haircutter (why I do NOT know) that his boss thought Joan Rivers's material was despicable and the hair burner apparently squawked "What gay man could POSSIBLY not love Joan Rivers?" to him.

This one.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 9/14/14 at 5:44pm

I guess I've yet to understand, especially after 6000 threads popped up when she actually died, why you aren't allowed to have this one?

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 9/14/14 at 5:59pm

I really am depressed by the whole thing.

The fundamental conservative Republicanism of it all. The construction of a survivor narrative that is textbook "she pulled herself up by the bootstraps and went out there and seized the day so therefore she gets to make fun of the handicapped" line of thinking (?) just makes me so deeply depressed.

And then to hear the casual meanness between co-workers who ostensibly like each other… I believe I was previously made fun of in this thread for having delicate sensibilities. Yeah, well, maybe it's because I never wanted to be around the children of the zeitgeist spewing the animus of America, terminal, crazy and MEAN.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 9/14/14 at 6:02pm

I wonder what Joan would have thought about me cracking jokes about Heath Ledger right after he died.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 9/14/14 at 6:05pm

I know my opinions are wrong and I don't really mean to put anybody out making them dig out appreciation articles (I'm beginning to wonder if that's supposed to convince me or themselves?) and AIDS vigil fliers and whatever other detritus from the Reagan era like Joan herself, but clearly I have most likely opened up the floodgates by posting again in this thread I started.

Updated On: 9/14/14 at 06:05 PM

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 9/14/14 at 6:33pm

namo, she keeps working, even after her death! You can't deny that that's pretty impressive!
We'll see Joan Rivers on the new season of 'Celebrity Apprentice'

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 9/14/14 at 6:39pm

Survivor narrative! An aspirational dream for all! America!

[lovebwy]

Posted: 9/14/14 at 7:30pm

Namo why on earth are you so obsessed with this?

This is a woman who meant a lot to many of us. As I've stated before, as a bullied gay teen in the '80s she was a refuge for me. A fellow outsider, but one who made it big.

You have chosen to laser focus on the fact that she occasionally voted Republican. Sorry, but I don't choose my friends or who I'm a fan of based on their political affiliations. Life would be so very BORING that way,darling!

The woman is justifiably adored by a large portion of the gay community. Time to accept that, and let it go.

[CarlosAlberto]

Posted: 9/14/14 at 7:56pm

LET IT GO!!! LET IT GO-OOOOOO!!!

[SNAFU]

Posted: 9/14/14 at 8:00pm

So WHAT if the masses adored her?! I am happy you found refuge in her, lovebwy, good for you. Count me in as one who found her abrasive and offensive. Never my cup of tea, I guess that makes me a non card-carrying member of the Gay Community!
Even this long after her death, I feel like a goose with a tube shoved down my throat with "Joan is a saint, and champion against AIDS! You MUST LOVE HER!" sentiments being forced fed me.
I am Gay, I am proud and Out she WAS offensive and at times abusive and became rich off of it. The fact that some of the Gay Community finds this admirable, well, to me says alot about some of the Gay Community.
Joan is a SAINT Pate, anyone?

Updated On: 9/14/14 at 08:00 PM

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 9/14/14 at 8:18pm

Queens sure do lose their sh¡t if you don't glorify her.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 9/14/14 at 9:25pm

To clarify, I am not speaking of her voting record. I am speaking of Joan as both a cause of and symptom of the Reaganization of America, which has brought the culture of this country to what even conservative playwright Sam Shepard called the end of the line.

[lovebwy]

Posted: 9/14/14 at 9:50pm

"A cause and symptom of the Reganization of America?".

You give her wayyyyy too much credit. She was a comedian. She made us laugh, and many of us found comfort in her "outsider" persona, but she had zero to do with politics in America.

By all accounts of those who worked for her she was a shy and wondaful woman.

[SNAFU]

Posted: 9/14/14 at 9:57pm

To those who watched her, she was offenisive and brash.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 9/14/14 at 10:31pm

...a cause of and symptom of the Reaganization of America...

Now, THAT'S funny!

[PalJoey]

Posted: 9/14/14 at 10:41pm

And leave it to the U.K. Daily Mail to give us...

JOAN RIVERS: THE SHIVA


DAILY MAIL: EXCLUSIVE: Tears and laughter as Hollywood stars and family celebrate Joan Rivers' life during traditional Jewish Shiva mourning

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 9/14/14 at 11:30pm

Is it the proverbial last word because I gave up clicking the links ages ago?

Joan risked nothing of herself for the gay community. Whoopi Goldberg marched with us at the front of the March on Washington in 1987 pushing a friend of hers with AIDS in a wheelchair. She was with us then. Whoopi Goldberg spoke out at the march and led us in chants against the complacency of the Reagan White House. She risked it all to do the right thing.

Joan supported politicians who said they'd cut her taxes and then scrubbed the CDC website of the mention of condoms as HIV prevention and defended comprehensive sex ed. She "supported" ghee gay audience but claimed politics bored her as she voted against the community's interest.

I'm sorry, a doctor's daughter from Larchmont who graduated from Sarah Laurence who died with over 250 million dollars is only an outsider via her persona and not in point of fact.

Okay so what's the next new last word on the topic?

Updated On: 9/14/14 at 11:30 PM

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 9/14/14 at 11:41pm

Betty Buckley was there and I guess Cooper got his dad's genes.

Updated On: 9/15/14 at 11:41 PM

[PalJoey]

Posted: 9/14/14 at 11:59pm

Lily Tomlin looked distraught.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 9/15/14 at 12:00am

Betty Buckley looked visibly strained.