WOW: DREAMGIRLS snubbed for BEST PICTURE/DIRECTOR Oscar!- Page 6
WOW: DREAMGIRLS snubbed for BEST PICTURE/DIRECTOR Oscar!
#125dreamgirls robbed of its rightful place in film history by racist jews
Posted: 1/23/07 at 2:40pmNO true, Munk. Family works quite well on stage.
sidjones09
Leading Actor Joined: 1/4/07
#126dreamgirls robbed of its rightful place in film history by racist jews
Posted: 1/23/07 at 2:41pm'Family' is one of the highlights of this musical, but it just didn't work in the film, but on stage, it is a great moment and the song really does work.
"If you've got something to say, say it, and think well of yourself while you're learning to say it better." - David Mamet
sidjones09
Leading Actor Joined: 1/4/07
#127dreamgirls robbed of its rightful place in film history by racist jews
Posted: 1/23/07 at 2:42pmJinx, BobbyBubby
"If you've got something to say, say it, and think well of yourself while you're learning to say it better." - David Mamet
#128dreamgirls robbed of its rightful place in film history by racist jews
Posted: 1/23/07 at 2:44pmI just don't like the lyrics.
"If you are going to do something, do it well. And leave something witchy."
-Charlie Manson
Josephine2
Leading Actor Joined: 9/29/06
#129dreamgirls robbed of its rightful place in film history by racist jews
Posted: 1/23/07 at 2:47pmI agree. "Family" worked better when I saw it on stage. In the film version, it just took me right out of the action and emotion of the film. I don't know what it was-- maybe the the "staging," maybe the sterile white environment, maybe the camera angles. I'm no film critic, but I just didn't think the scene had any sincerity to it.
WalkOn
Broadway Star Joined: 8/7/06
#130WOW: DREAMGIRLS snubbed for BEST PICTURE/DIRECTOR Oscar!
Posted: 1/23/07 at 2:49pm
I'm frankly surprised that Michael Bennett, a poster whom I greatly admire, did the premptive "false" racism thing.
Walk on, walk on, with hope in your heart; and you'll never walk alone.
Updated On: 1/23/07 at 02:49 PM
#131dreamgirls robbed of its rightful place in film history by racist jews
Posted: 1/23/07 at 2:52pmGet a sense of humor.
"If you are going to do something, do it well. And leave something witchy."
-Charlie Manson
sidjones09
Leading Actor Joined: 1/4/07
#132dreamgirls robbed of its rightful place in film history by racist jews
Posted: 1/23/07 at 2:53pmI'll sort of give you that munk. The lyrics are a little cheesy, which is something we are more readily able to accept on the stage than on the screen, hence the failure of this scene/song in the film.
"If you've got something to say, say it, and think well of yourself while you're learning to say it better." - David Mamet
#133dreamgirls robbed of its rightful place in film history by racist jews
Posted: 1/23/07 at 2:56pm
"...because of how you feel."
Oh, your feelings aren't important.
HORRID.
"If you are going to do something, do it well. And leave something witchy."
-Charlie Manson
WalkOn
Broadway Star Joined: 8/7/06
#134dreamgirls robbed of its rightful place in film history by racist jews
Posted: 1/23/07 at 2:58pmmunkustrap178, with all due respect, you hardly have a sense of humor yourself. And when I say hardly, I'm being generous.
Walk on, walk on, with hope in your heart; and you'll never walk alone.
sidjones09
Leading Actor Joined: 1/4/07
#135dreamgirls robbed of its rightful place in film history by racist jews
Posted: 1/23/07 at 3:00pmI understand what you're saying, but he is referring to Effie's feelings of having to take a step back in the group not getting in the way of them all reaching their ultimate dreams of success. But you're right, it is kind of used in general, but in the context of the moment, I think it works.
"If you've got something to say, say it, and think well of yourself while you're learning to say it better." - David Mamet
Kringas
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/27/05
#136dreamgirls robbed of its rightful place in film history by racist jews
Posted: 1/23/07 at 3:01pm
Oh, your feelings aren't important.
That's not what he's saying there, at least I never took it that way.
I do think the song is problematic in the film, but mainly because Effie and CC actually have family, while it's implied onstage that they do not.
"How do you like THAT 'misanthropic panache,' Mr. Goldstone?" - PalJoey
#137dreamgirls robbed of its rightful place in film history by racist jews
Posted: 1/23/07 at 3:08pm
It's a shame that Dreamgirls didn't get a nomination for best picture. But it still got 8 nominations, which is 8 more than Rent and The Producers got (both of which I thought were enjoyable, but had major glaring flaws).
As far as the song "Family" goes, I thought it was a little weird in the film, but I can imagine that it works out much better on stage. I think that the song itself is a great one.
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purpleprince101
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/19/06
#138dreamgirls robbed of its rightful place in film history by racist jews
Posted: 1/23/07 at 3:18pmangry...but congrats eddie and jen
#139dreamgirls robbed of its rightful place in film history by racist jews
Posted: 1/23/07 at 3:18pmMaybe they wanted to give Keith Robinson something to sing. Honestly, I can't think of a good reason why "Family" was kept in the film.
Salve, Regina, Mater misericordiae
Vita, dulcedo, et spes nostra
Salve, Salve Regina
Ad te clamamus exsules filii Eva
Ad te suspiramus, gementes et flentes
O clemens O pia
Vita, dulcedo, et spes nostra
Salve, Salve Regina
Ad te clamamus exsules filii Eva
Ad te suspiramus, gementes et flentes
O clemens O pia
WalkOn
Broadway Star Joined: 8/7/06
#140dreamgirls robbed of its rightful place in film history by racist jews
Posted: 1/23/07 at 3:26pm
I think FAMILY is needed dramatically. I suppose they could have used plain dialogue to convince Effie to relax and let Curtis make the lead singer change...but logic wouldn't have convinced Effie to make the sacrife.. emotion/music could sway her. Thats why I think its important.
However, I think Condon was a less confident in his filming of the song. He took a shy approach to filming the "book" songs. An approach that, to me, comes off a little second guessing.
Walk on, walk on, with hope in your heart; and you'll never walk alone.
Updated On: 1/23/07 at 03:26 PM
#141dreamgirls robbed of its rightful place in film history by racist jews
Posted: 1/23/07 at 4:49pm
I found the Family scene to be really great in the beginning, with Effie's part. It's just so seamless and magical.
Then C.C. starts singing and our sense of elevation crashes in the Bremuda Triangle.
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americanboy99
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/27/06
#142dreamgirls robbed of its rightful place in film history by racist jews
Posted: 1/23/07 at 5:17pmA TRAGEDY!
mateo
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/8/06
#143dreamgirls robbed of its rightful place in film history by racist jews
Posted: 1/23/07 at 5:17pm
I think the producers of the oscars were counting for Dreamgirls to be nominated. I think they planned alot of their "fun-pre-show-monlogue" stuff around it.
I have a hunch Ellen will be wearing a dress in dreamgirls style. She alludes to it on her talk show.
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-Adam Shankman.
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-E!'s "The Soup"
-Adam Shankman.
"I haven't left this building since Windows 3.1!"
"Celebrating a birthday this week: Rene Descartes is 412! Do you know who he is? Then why are you watching this show? You could probably get into college and even get one of those job things. As for the rest of us; Amanda Bynes is 22! Yay!"
-E!'s "The Soup"
sondhead
Broadway Star Joined: 10/25/06
#144dreamgirls robbed of its rightful place in film history by racist jews
Posted: 1/23/07 at 5:22pm
Ya know I thought Family was great. It was very moving, as it is on stage.
Now, the lyrics aren't the BEST but I don't think any one could say much of the lyrics in Dreamgirls are all that brilliant. They get their job done, though.
Ciaron McCarthy
Broadway Star Joined: 10/15/06
#145dreamgirls robbed of its rightful place in film history by racist jews
Posted: 1/23/07 at 5:32pm
The lyrics in the show are "eh" at best.
"Family" is awful in the film. It stops the film in its tracks.
#146dreamgirls robbed of its rightful place in film history by racist jews
Posted: 1/23/07 at 5:36pm
While I believe Jennifer Hudson's "What about me? What about how I feel" et al is heart-breaking, I agree that "Family" feels out of place and it's an awkward introduction to the first book song in the film.
Having said that, I don't think "Family" is the reason the movie did not get a much-deserved Oscar nod for Best Picture.
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Broadway Legend Joined: 4/8/06
#147dreamgirls robbed of its rightful place in film history by racist jews
Posted: 1/23/07 at 5:46pm
I think the movie needed to OWN the fact that they were a musical. Is it so wrong to have a character burst into song? No, as long as it established early on and you feel the characters sincerity, I think.
"Zac is sweet as can be. He's very much just a sweet kid from California who happens to have a face that looks like it was drawn by Michelangelo, (if Michelangelo did anime)."
-Adam Shankman.
"I haven't left this building since Windows 3.1!"
"Celebrating a birthday this week: Rene Descartes is 412! Do you know who he is? Then why are you watching this show? You could probably get into college and even get one of those job things. As for the rest of us; Amanda Bynes is 22! Yay!"
-E!'s "The Soup"
Updated On: 1/23/07 at 05:46 PM
-Adam Shankman.
"I haven't left this building since Windows 3.1!"
"Celebrating a birthday this week: Rene Descartes is 412! Do you know who he is? Then why are you watching this show? You could probably get into college and even get one of those job things. As for the rest of us; Amanda Bynes is 22! Yay!"
-E!'s "The Soup"
WalkOn
Broadway Star Joined: 8/7/06
#148dreamgirls robbed of its rightful place in film history by racist jews
Posted: 1/23/07 at 6:07pmI agree with you Mateo, the book songs were approached so timidly.
Walk on, walk on, with hope in your heart; and you'll never walk alone.
Mr Roxy
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#149dreamgirls robbed of its rightful place in film history by racist jews
Posted: 1/23/07 at 6:09pm
I thought it would be a lock
It did deserve a best Pic Nod . Sometimes, the academy astounds people with their omissions. This is one time
I really want to see Peter O Toole win for Best Actor & not have to content himself with a Lifetime Achievement. This is the Academys way of saying Oops
Sorry Affleck was overlooked for Hollywoodland as well
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