Who you like 2020 Dems- Page 14

[javero]

Posted: 3/1/20 at 7:31pm

Sutton Ross said: "He had absolutely no black support, so this is not at all surprising."

At 38, he's also rather young for a presidential hopeful.  The traditional Democratic voting blocs to date have tended to go for someone a bit more "seasoned".  Mayor Pete has a bright future ahead of him.  I really hope that a Biden-Klobuchar ticket emerges since that's the only one with a clear path to 270 electoral college votes.  Naming Mayor Pete as Sec of State is a no-brainer and represents a welcome relief from Mike Pompeo who used to be a man of honor.

The key to the general election will be flipping the 5 key states that Hillary lost to Trump, e.g. WI, NC, PA, MI, and FL.  That's 90 electoral college votes that Biden-Klobuchar can put in the Dem's column. That would give them 322 to Trump-Pence's 216.

I encourage you all to set sentiment aside for a moment and do the math yourselves.

Updated On: 3/1/20 at 07:31 PM

[Miles2Go2]

Posted: 3/1/20 at 7:40pm

I was thinking a Biden-Kamala Harris ticket, but I like a Biden-Klobuchar ticket even more since my primary vote is for Klobuchar.

I suspect Sanders would like see Stacey Abrams as his running mate. She would attract minority, female and southern voters.

[Miles2Go2]

Posted: 3/1/20 at 7:43pm

My thinking about Harris is in addition to attracting key demographics, it would also be an olive branch between the two (after their memorable exchange at the first debate) similar to when Obama chose Biden as his running mate after one of Biden’s comments about Obama was interpreted as racist.

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 3/1/20 at 8:04pm

Well, if we are casting for 1st and 2nd positions........

My vote is for "President Joseph Biden and Vice-President Elizabeth Warren". 

 

 

 

Updated On: 3/1/20 at 08:04 PM

[javero]

Posted: 3/1/20 at 8:09pm

I'm still partial to a Biden-Klobuchar ticket but could definitely get behind Biden-Harris at the top of the ticket.  The Biden-Klobuchar combo provides very large coattails for down-ballot candidates at the state level.   Harris made some very amateurish blunders in her own campaign but I suspect Biden and she have already made up.  Both Klobuchar and Harris are in the sweetspot age-wise for a presidential hopeful, and now claim national profiles.

Honestly, I think that Stacey Abrams is Bernie's only practical choice of running mate even though the ticket does nothing for me.  He'd have a tough row to hoe in the general election regardless of running mate.  And, she doesn't bring nearly as much to the table as some believe.  Losing the GA gubernatorial race made her damaged goods politically in the minds of some voters.

I hope that Dems get back to the basics and start winning gubernatorial and state house races again.  I've always given Bill Clinton the edge over Obama primarily due to the former's executive experience as Arkansas governor prior to moving into the White House.  I gave Obama demerits for the delay in installing heads of key gov't agencies during his first year in office, and for putting too many folks from Chicago in charge instead of DC operatives who knew the lay of the land.  Biden has been around forever and will have no trouble assembling a kick-ass team that will hit the ground running on day one.

Updated On: 3/2/20 at 08:09 PM

[Miles2Go2]

Posted: 3/1/20 at 8:09pm

Watching the CNN footage of Buttigieg announcing on the plane to the press corp that the plane was headed to South Bend instead of Texas ahead of an announcement about the campaign. You could just feel his sadness and disappointment. I can’t help feeling bad for him.

[javero]

Posted: 3/1/20 at 8:25pm

Just got a text from Amy Klobuchar's campaign.  The messaging is slightly different, almost valedictory.  I'm sensing that she'll stay in it to pick up a huge chunk of delegates in her home state of MN on Tue, at Bernie's expense; then, she' out.  She'll packs a punch in the mid-west & rust belt states where she can go toe-to-toe with Pence who'll have his hands full as the Coronavirus czar.

Updated On: 3/1/20 at 08:25 PM

[Mike Barrett]

Posted: 3/2/20 at 4:36am

Stacey Abrams lost but only a few percentages of the vote, and frankly, it’s due to voter suppression in Georgia. She’d be another amazing voice to have in the WH as she has first hand dealt with this terrible discrimination. I’d absolutely love an Abrams/Bernie ticket, that would inspire A LOT of people to vote once she gets a more national platform. Biden and Klobuchar are already there for the taking and so far only SC wants one of them, I worry it’s not nearly a strong enough ticket to win as some may think, even if I think they’re an awesome ticket, Amy’s debate performances have not been great, and you can sure as hell say that for Biden too. No thanks to the 2 of them together

Edit: Also, it took Joe Biden 32 years, 3 presidential campaigns, to win his first primary. And we now think he’s equipped to beat Trump? It’s looking more and more everyday like a Sanders nomination. 

Updated On: 3/2/20 at 04:36 AM

[javero]

Posted: 3/2/20 at 6:57am

@Mike Barrett

Dude, it's obvious that you and I are backing different horses.  I've never understood Bernie's appeal, but he'll get my vote in the g.e. if he nabs the nomination. 

That aside, there are 86 toss up votes at play in the general election split between WI, PA, NC, FL, and AZ, all states that Hillary lost in 2016.  It's worth noting that Obama only carried my childhood state of NC in his first bid in 2008.  They're also states that Bill Clinton carried easily in 92 & 96.  Please note that a huge chunk of the voters who supported Bill Clinton are still around, including me, even though not all of us are keyboard warriors.

So, looking at the 2020 electoral map here, would you please lay out how Bernie can flip the states above in the general election, especially NC & PA.  They have been drifting away from the Dems since Obama's first term.  How do Dems (and concerned Indies) bring them back into the fold?

Updated On: 3/2/20 at 06:57 AM

[Mike Barrett]

Posted: 3/2/20 at 7:36am

Simply, this time (assuming he has THE nomination) it’s him v Trump. I take Bernie anyday of the week. You all TRULY underestimate the pull Bernie has with young voters, that and Latinos voting for bernies (he’s just proven he can win this vote in Nevada) I beleive are what will win us the next election. It’s not like Trump won by a landslide, and it took an Obama like candidate (inspired turnout, promised change, hm, sounds familiar to Bernie) to win those states. The people want change, or at least I do. Give him the nomination and I think you see massive, massive turnout for the Dems. Hillary won the popular vote, and Bernie is just as popular and Pelosi, and Hillary herself have stated their support of him.

This is also a threat about who we like on the Dems side, it’s clear where my support is, but I genuinely am enthusiastic about Bernie and I truly beleive he will win us back our country, I truly do. Not just trying to troll and be pro Bernie to piss people off, I think he gives us our best shot so I am passionate about it. He speaks against everything that has happened in our country since Trump won the Presidency, if America is truly that pissed and upset with our country, Bernie speaks the most to that and speaks the most to the change I think a lot of people hope for in this country. Working folks like me who couldn’t afford college look at this guy as a hero, I really hope for our countries sake he’s our next President.

But, as I’ve said many many times before I will vote for anybody. If Bloomberg is the nominee to me that spells the end of this country alrrady, so I’d stick around to vote for Mike most likely but I’d seriously be packing bags to Canada. If $$ buys everything I’m not so sure what kind of a democracy we truly are

[South Florida]

Posted: 3/2/20 at 9:22am

Any of these will do for me.  Who is best equipped to beat Trump?  I think they all can win.  So if Warren makes it down here she'll get my vote.  The media sure is scaring the public off of her and Bernie.  Legitimate polls as head to head should help people as to their decision.  If Joe Biden has the best, most overwhelming numbers versus Dump, let's see them.  Who takes these key states in the polls?  If they all beat Trump by relatively equal numbers, I'll stick with the candidate who I most like.

[Miles2Go2]

Posted: 3/2/20 at 11:53am

A few things:

Amy’s debate performances have been strong throughout every debate.

Unless something surprising happens tomorrow, Warren has no clear path to the nomination. She and Sanders are going for the same voters and for some reason they much prefer Sanders. I think the best thing that can happen for Sanders is she drops out soon so her voters jump to him, given him a greater edge over Biden.

I know we keep hearing Sanders has these huge blocks of engaged younger voters, but I’m not sure the voting turnout in the early states verifies that so far.

Even though I’m not a Bernie Bro, S.E. Cup had a segment where she showed a poll where both Sanders or Biden both had a possible path to winning in November. I still think Biden has a better chance of getting Obama voters back into the fold and also down the ballot Democratic ballot. He’s not my first choice (Amy was my absentee ballot choice), but if we’re going to have another old white guy in the White House, he’s my pick.

Updated On: 3/2/20 at 11:53 AM

[UncleCharlie]

Posted: 3/2/20 at 12:03pm

Mike Barrett said: "Simply, this time (assuming he has THE nomination) it’s him v Trump. I take Bernie anyday of the week. You all TRULY underestimate the pull Bernie has with young voters, that and Latinos voting for bernies (he’s just proven he can win this vote in Nevada) I beleive are what will win us the next election. It’s not like Trump won by a landslide, and it took an Obama like candidate (inspired turnout, promised change, hm, sounds familiar to Bernie) to win those states. The people want change, or at least I do. Give him the nomination and I think you see massive, massive turnout for the Dems. Hillary won the popular vote, and Bernie is just as popular and Pelosi, and Hillary herself have stated their support of him.

This is also a threat about who we like on the Dems side, it’s clear where my support is, but I genuinely am enthusiastic about Bernie and I truly beleive he will win us back our country, I truly do. Not just trying to troll and be pro Bernie to piss people off, I think he gives us our best shot so I am passionate about it. He speaks against everything that has happened in our country since Trump won the Presidency, if America is truly that pissed and upset with our country, Bernie speaks the most to that and speaks the most to the change I think a lot of people hope for in this country. Working folks like me who couldn’t afford college look at this guy as a hero, I really hope for our countries sake he’s our next President.

But, as I’ve said many many times before I will vote for anybody. If Bloomberg is the nominee to me that spells the end of this country alrrady, so I’d stick around to vote for Mike most likely but I’d seriously be packing bags to Canada. If $$ buys everything I’m not so sure what kind of a democracy we truly are"

"Working folks like me who couldn't afford college"? I'm sorry, wut??? You've been open about your mental health challenges that made even finishing high school for you extremely difficult and college was out of the question. You've never said money was an issue and now you're trying to convince us you're just a working class stiff who would have loved to go to college if only you could afford it and Bernie is the answer to that? Sorry dude, no sale.

You didn't answer any of javero's questions, only regurgitating standard BernieBros talking points. Bernie is no Obama. "Hey kids, who wants free stuff?" is not "Yes we can." There's a reason the Russians are trying to help Bernie and Trump keeps saying the Democrats should run Bernie. They know, as we all know, Bernie would be Trump's easiest opponent, the one he's most likely to beat. The people who voted for Trump last time and need to vote Democratic this time are not people like you, left wing blue state 23 year olds who if you voted last time, probably voted for Hillary in the general election, but are the moderate Democrats who drifted away last time and the moderate Republicans who could be peeled away from Trump cause they're sick of his antics. Those people don't want a revolution, they want a return to normalcy, a president who is not an incompetent, hate filled clown or a crook. Organized labor will be crucial to turn out the vote for Democrats and we already got a taste of where they stand on Bernie's medicare for all in Nevada even though Bernie was still able to win the state. A Democratic candidate will find it very hard to win without a strong push from organized labor in the Midwest swing states.

The most accurate statement in your post was "The people want change, or at least I do." Yeah, you do but you're not the demographic that will decide the election. Trump and the right tried to fear monger everyone by calling Obama a socialist even though he was anything but. Can you imagine the field day they'd have if a guy who willingly calls himself a socialist actually was the candidate? We can't screw this election up. We have to beat Trump. The future of our country depends on it. Now is not the time to run a polarizing, far left wing iconoclast. And if that means we have to listen to all the BernieBros whine again about how the Democratic nomination was "stolen" from Bernie, so be it. Bernie's not even a real Democrat anyway, just running as one when it's politically convenient and he wants to make use of the Democratic party's reach and resources. As his Wikipedia page states "Sanders first ran for the U.S. House of Representatives in 1988 and for the U.S. Senate in 2006, each time adopting a strategy of winning the Democratic Party primary, thereby eliminating Democratic challengers, and then running as an independent in the general election." Yeah, some Democrat. And if whatever the result is makes you run to Canada instead of sticking around to continue the fight to make America better, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Updated On: 3/2/20 at 12:03 PM

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 3/2/20 at 1:36pm

Apparently, Amy is suspending her campaign and throwing her support to Joe.

[Miles2Go2]

Posted: 3/2/20 at 1:37pm

CNN just announced that Amy is suspending her campaign tonight and throwing her support to Biden.

[UncleCharlie]

Posted: 3/2/20 at 3:23pm

Now Bloomberg needs to do the same. I hope his ego doesn't get in the way.

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 3/2/20 at 4:07pm

Mayor Pete is going to endorse Joe Biden.  Harry Reid has endorsed him.  Caroline Kennedy has endosed him.  Susan Rice has endorsed him.

Bernie Who?

 

[Mike Barrett]

Posted: 3/2/20 at 5:03pm

UncleCharlie said: "Mike Barrett said: "Simply, this time (assuming he has THE nomination) it’s him v Trump. I take Bernie anyday of the week. You all TRULY underestimate the pull Bernie has with young voters, that and Latinos voting for bernies (he’s just proven he can win this vote in Nevada) I beleive are what will win us the next election. It’s not like Trump won by a landslide, and it took an Obama like candidate (inspired turnout, promised change, hm, sounds familiar to Bernie) to win those states. The people want change, or at least I do. Give him the nomination and I think you see massive, massive turnout for the Dems. Hillary won the popular vote, and Bernie is just as popular and Pelosi, and Hillary herself have stated their support of him.

This is also a threat about who we like on the Dems side, it’s clear where my support is, but I genuinely am enthusiastic about Bernie and I truly beleive he will win us back our country, I truly do. Not just trying to troll and be pro Bernie to piss people off, I think he gives us our best shot so I am passionate about it. He speaks against everything that has happened in our country since Trump won the Presidency, if America is truly that pissed and upset with our country, Bernie speaks the most to that and speaks the most to the change I think a lot of people hope for in this country. Working folks like me who couldn’t afford college look at this guy as a hero, I really hope for our countries sake he’s our next President.

But, as I’ve said many many times before I will vote for anybody. If Bloomberg is the nominee to me that spells the end of this country alrrady, so I’d stick around to vote for Mike most likely but I’d seriously be packing bags to Canada. If $$ buys everything I’m not so sure what kind of a democracy we truly are"

"Working folks like me who couldn't afford college"? I'm sorry, wut??? You've been open about your mental health challenges that made even finishing high school for you extremely difficult and college was out of the question. You've never said money was anissue and now you're trying to convince usyou're just a working class stiff who would have loved to go to college if only you could afford it and Bernie is the answer to that? Sorry dude, no sale.

You didn't answer any of javero's questions, only regurgitating standard BernieBros talking points. Bernie is no Obama. "Hey kids, who wants free stuff?" is not "Yes we can." There's a reason the Russians are trying to help Bernie and Trump keeps saying the Democrats should run Bernie. They know, as we all know, Bernie would be Trump's easiest opponent, the one he's most likely to beat. The people who voted for Trump last time and need to vote Democratic this time are not people like you, left wing blue state23 year olds who if you voted last time, probably voted for Hillary in the general election, but are the moderate Democrats who drifted away last time and the moderate Republicans who could be peeled away from Trump cause they're sick of his antics. Those people don't want a revolution, they want areturn to normalcy, a president who is not an incompetent, hate filled clown or a crook. Organized labor will be crucial to turn out the vote for Democrats and we already got a taste of where they stand on Bernie's medicare for all in Nevada even though Bernie was still able to win the state. A Democratic candidate will find it very hard to win without astrong push from organized labor in the Midwest swing states.

The most accurate statement in your post was "The people want change, or at least I do." Yeah, you do but you're not the demographic that will decide the election. Trump and the right tried to fear monger everyone by calling Obama a socialist even though he was anything but. Can you imagine the field day they'd have if a guy who willingly calls himself a socialist actually was the candidate? We can't screw this election up. We have to beat Trump. The future of our country depends on it. Now is not the time to run a polarizing, far left wing iconoclast. And if that means we have to listen to all the BernieBros whine again about how the Democratic nomination was "stolen" from Bernie, so be it. Bernie's not even a real Democrat anyway, just running as one when it's politically convenient and he wants to make use of the Democratic party's reachand resources. As his Wikipedia page states "Sanders first ran for the U.S. House of Representatives in 1988and for the U.S. Senate in 2006, each time adopting a strategy of winning the Democratic Party primary, thereby eliminating Democratic challengers, and then running as an independent in the general election." Yeah, some Democrat. And if whatever the result is makes you run to Canada instead of sticking around to continue the fight to make Americabetter, don't let the door hit you on the way out."

Well I have no reply to you other than you don’t know my life, college was not an option for many reasons. Think I’d actually try college for a year if it weren’t around $30K a year. This is an incredibly ignorant comment lol have a good day sir and thanks for making the judgments on my life for me, a true patriot! 
 

Edit: I also didn’t bother reading past your blatantly ignorant first paragraph. Disagree with me all you want on politics but attacking my character and making these judgements based on my life (which has been hard and I’ve been open about on these forums) sure as hell doesn’t make you look like a kind and thoughtful person. Why attack others on who they are and what they stand for? Make you any better than me? 

Updated On: 3/2/20 at 05:03 PM

[UncleCharlie]

Posted: 3/2/20 at 5:55pm

Mike Barrett said: "Well I have no reply to you other than you don’t know my life, college was not an option for many reasons. Think I’d actually try college for a year if it weren’t around $30K a year. This is an incredibly ignorant comment lol have a good day sir and thanks for making the judgments on my life for me, a true patriot!

Edit: I also didn’t bother reading past your blatantly ignorant first paragraph. Disagree with me all you want on politics but attacking my character and making these judgements based on my life (which has been hard and I’ve been open about on these forums) sure as hell doesn’t make you look like a kind and thoughtful person. Why attack others on who they are and what they stand for? Make you any better than me?"

I don't know your life but am only going by the extensive details you have shared about it on here. To use one of your favorite phrases, I stand by my comment. By the way, New Hampshire has an excellent community college system. You could get started there for $6500 a year and that's before any financial aid you might qualify for which would reduce the cost even further. I'd be happy to send you some info if you would like. And just FYI, I have a lot more empathy for you and your struggles than you have for people who struggle mightily with medical conditions and physical limitations due to aging. But, whatever dude.

Updated On: 3/2/20 at 05:55 PM

[yankeefan7]

Posted: 3/2/20 at 6:02pm

"So, looking at the 2020 electoral map here, would you please lay out how Bernie can flip the states above in the general election, especially NC & PA.  They have been drifting away from the Dems since Obama's first term.  How do Dems (and concerned Indies) bring them back into the fold?"

Unless Bernie can get huge turnout from the African-American community in 2020, he is toast in NC. As you correctly stated, Romney won the NC in 2012 and Trump beat Hillary in 2016.

[Mike Barrett]

Posted: 3/2/20 at 6:09pm

UncleCharlie said: "Mike Barrett said: "Well I have no reply to you other than you don’t know my life, college was not an option for many reasons. Think I’d actually try college for a year if it weren’t around $30K a year. This is an incredibly ignorant comment lol have a good day sir and thanks for making the judgments on my life for me, a true patriot!

Edit: I also didn’t bother reading past your blatantly ignorant first paragraph. Disagree with me all you want on politics but attacking my character and making these judgements based on my life (which has been hard and I’ve been open about on these forums) sure as hell doesn’t make you look like a kind and thoughtful person. Why attack others on who they are and what they stand for? Make you any better than me?"

I don't know your life but am only going by the extensive details you have shared about it on here. To use one of your favorite phrases, I stand by my comment. By the way, New Hampshire has an excellent community college system. You could get started there for $6500 a year and that's before any financial aid you might qualify for which would reduce the cost even further. I'd be happy to send you some info if you would like. And just FYI, I have a lot moreempathy for you and your struggles than you have for people who struggle mightily withmedical conditions and physical limitations due to aging. But, whatever dude."

Where did I comment on physical limitations due to aging?? What?? I’m a major Bernie supporter, I obviously sympathize with anyone with any medical issue, hence why I’m voting for Bernie so people can afford a 911 call, significant amount of can’t even afford that! 
 

 Jesus get a life dude, and I don’t have $6500 lying around, most people don’t. Especially when I have to have copays every week for my own medical endeavors, rent, groceries, car payments, I’m in debt constantly I don’t need to start another thing to get in debt. I love Bernie and Amy’s idea of free community college, it’d be a major help. Sorry for wanting college to be cheaper, how dare I!!! 
 

again, thanks for making major judgments on my life based on the little comments on here. Let’s get back to discussing the candidates instead of attacking someone who has severe mental health issues and can’t afford college and cause of that I’m a phony. Jesus, get a grip you asshat. 
 

I stand by my comments :) 

Edit: Is your physical limitations comment regarding me saying people who complain about a 2 hr intermission-less show shouldn’t go to theatre? Jesus you hold a gripe if true, and I stand by that. The complaints were solely regarding the runtime and about how they were miserable cause they couldn’t go to the bathroom. Nothing criticizing the shows structure, the book, the themes, just the runtime, which is publicized beforehand as an advisory. You know what you’re getting into, set your own expectations for yourself. That’s no ones fault but your own. Obviously, some people have bladder issues but if I had bladder issues, I’d perosnally never attend a really long show that wouldn’t allow me to get up. Happy to stand by that take, and I also have no idea why you continue to personally attack me out of nowhere. 
 

Updated On: 3/2/20 at 06:09 PM

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 3/2/20 at 6:32pm

Bernie has, by far, the worst supporters. They are very similar to Trump fans, they are abusive, rude, they have threatened/bullied people online over not voting for him, it's unreal. Chelsea Clinton was accosted by one last year, it was disgusting. "I want free EVERYTHING!!!". Yeah, where is the money coming from? Morons.

The Worst People Alive

Updated On: 3/2/20 at 06:32 PM

[Mike Barrett]

Posted: 3/2/20 at 6:39pm

Sutton Ross said: "Bernie supports are, by far, has the worst supporters. They are very similar to Trump fans, they are abusive, rude, they have threatened/bullied people online over not voting for him, it's unreal. Chelsea Clinton was accosted by one last year, it was disgusting. "I want free EVERYTHING!!!". Yeah, where is the money coming from sweethearts? Morons.

The Worst People Alive"

The money would come from taxing billionaires and companies like Amazon who paid ZERO in federal income tax last year after making billions of dollars. How much did you pay in Federal Income Tax last year? Just know your paid more than the most wealthy people on the planet and you’re continuing to enrich them.

Also, unlike Trump, Bernie has spoken out against those people. He says it’s wrong, across all platforms, to harass people online. He’s blatantly stood against it and has said he doesn’t want those people to vote for him. Get your facts straight lol. Thanks for calling me a moron too! You’re so mature and clearly much better! 
 

it’s also just so ignorant that people say “free everything!” Sorry I want a more affordable education, oh, the hysteria!!!! God I’m done with this board, clearly not welcomed here as you’ve all made it clear. And yet, Bernie people are the worst and I’ve been called a moron and been made fun of for wanting a more affordable education and more affordable health care benefits so I can better my life. I know, I’m the WORST. Seriously take a look in the mirror, your name calling is better than the Bernie people online? A true patriot you are! 
 

This place is honestly disgusting and vile, I’ve done my best to be cordial and just share my opinions on things without attack anybody else, it’s something the rest of you clearly need work on. Again, look yourself in the mirrors. You’ve all been bullying me this thread so you all can F off. Go ahead, vote for a man who said he’s running for the United States Senate and would run with a Republican. Have fun America!  

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 3/2/20 at 6:40pm

Joe will be joined on stage by Amy and Pete when he speaks in Dallas (my old stomping grounds) tonight.  Expected to start at 8:30 p.m. ET.   Not sure which channels will carry it, except maybe PBS (?).  

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 3/2/20 at 6:51pm

You’ve all been bullying me this thread so you all can F off.