Who you like 2020 Dems — Page 15

Mike, don't let this board get to you. I think you have been respectful and reasonable in advocating for Bernie unlike so many of the Bernie Bros. I like Bernie, just not sure about his general election chances.

And now it is reported that Beto O'Rourke will be on stage with Joe and Amy and Pete in a few minutes.

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Highland Guy said: "And now it is reported that Beto O'Rourke will be on stage with Joe and Amy and Pete in a few minutes."

I heard on NPR today that here in Oklahoma, according to a poll taken before the recent dropout of candidates that Biden was running slightly ahead of Bloomberg. Will be interesting to see how these dropouts and endorsements will affect tomorrow.

UncleCharlie said: "Mike Barrett said: "This place is honestly disgusting and vile, I’ve done my best to be cordial and just share my opinions on things without attack anybody else, it’s something the rest of you clearly need work on. Again, look yourself in the mirrors. You’ve all been bullying me this thread so you all can F off. Go ahead, vote for a man who said he’s running for the United States Senate and would run with a Republican. Have fun America!"

Mike, please stop playing the victim. You always give as good,if not better than you get. You're not being bullied. I'm not attacking you out of nowhere. It's just being pointed when your statements now to bolster the case forBernie appear to be inconsistent with what you've said before. For instance, yousayyou're in debt and could not possibly have even afforded $6500for college, yet you've started several threads in the last year or so about moving to New York in which you've stated you have $10,000 in one thread and $18,000 in another saved up for the move. Can you understand why your now saying you didn't have anywhere near the savings to beable to afford even $6500 for a year of college seems... inconsistent?

As far as the complaints about the show length for people with bladder issues, the issue was that the previews were runninglonger than the advertised length and that was what was causing the problems. But even if that wasn't the case, the complete and utter lack of any empathy whatsoever you yet again displayed today towards people with their own health issues given all those you face continues to be stunning to me. Dude, have a little compassion for others. My mother deals with that issue along with other health issues and had to stop going to the theater about 10 years ago after having it be a major part of her life for more than 60 years. It was very hard for her to accept she couldn't pursue her passion for live theater anymore. My love for theater today is from her and my dad. If you had told her "maybe theater isn't for you", I would have suggested you do something that most feel is physically impossible.

I want to be clear, I wish you no ill will and Isincerely hope you are successfully able to deal with your own health issues and have many, many years of great health and happiness ahead of you. But you choose to advocate very aggressively and forcefully for your positions, which is fine. But if that advocacy contains inconsistencies, people may choose to point that out. If you find that disgusting and vile, I'm sorry."

So I want to move to NYC but can’t afford college, college is a 4 year process. It’s not $6500 and that’s it. NYC I would be working and making money, and it would cost $10K to save money and go there. I can’t just drop half my money on community college, would you drop 1/2 of your entire money to pay for college, and proceed into more debt?

I’ve also only more recently within the past year begin more intensive work with my BPD, and treating it more than I have in the past as I’ve realized that I cannot live with it anymore without help cause I’m utterly miserable. I’m allowed to move to NYC w/10K in savings and also want more affordable college, doesn’t make me a hypocrite in the slightest.


I can’t afford these things, life is expensive and a lot of it is due to our poorly run government benefiting only the upper class.


Again, remember how much you paid in federal income tax last year and remember Jeff Bezos and Amazon only profited and didn’t pay a dime.


And Uncle Charlie, your snark is so clear and apparent I don’t want your sympathy and I ask you ignore my posts. Thank you.


Although, for a group of people who complain about Bernie people making others feel left out, bullied, or in-wanted, you have sure done that to me. Not all of you, but ya know, the ones who say Bernie people are the worst then go ahead call them morons. Real heroes in this thread. The hypocrisy would be more funny if it wasn’t purely sad.


Anyways, now that uncle Charlie has derailed the thread to make it about me and all my past posts on this board, let’s get back to politics. Have fun discussing but I’m out. Hope a Democrat wins in 2020.


Edit: 1 last thing, I’m also not playing the victim. You can bring up comments I’ve made on this board over the past year, but that’s your own motive. Not mine, or anybody else’s in this thread discussing politics and the democratic candidates. You brought prior history into this, it appears to be much more of an attack on a character rather than a casual conversation. Just my opinion.

Updated On: 3/2/20 at 09:46 PM

Javero, I truly don’t think you you understand why 2016 went for trump if you believe Biden is the one for the dems.

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Nobody, not even Sander's supporters, are going to stay home or vote Dump.

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Mike Barrett said: "I genuinely ask (and don’t plan to respond, cause I’m done after this), can someone explain to me what Joe Biden offers in 2020 to beat Trump that Hillary didn’t? They’re quite similiar candidates, and we lost in 2020. Why would we do the same thing again?"

The Russians handed the Presidency to the thing who currently occupies the Oval Office.

Now. This, I think, is the third time you've said you're out of this thread. Be a man of your word,

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Lol okay, I can clearly take it as I do keep coming back and I care! I’ve been nothing but civil in this thread. If someone calls me a moron, I’m not afraid to dish it back to you Sutton Ross, and incredibly ignorant. Where have I name called in this thread? I’d love a specific point I name called anybody who did not attack me first. Truly, go for it. You’re the one who called Bernie supporters morons yet act like a civil and calm and kind human being. It’s just so sad I guess I really don’t know why I keep coming back other than to try and convince a group of people who do not view things the same as I do to just try and think differently. I never once called anyone a moron, unlike the poster above. Jesus Christ like look in the mirror girl and re-evaluate yourself.

I’ve been a stagnant Bernie supporter and if that is “wrong” to you, it speaks to your narrow mindedness by name calling his supporters and calling them the worst human beings. We just want to be able to afford to go to the doctor, oh how awful of us!!! Bernie has been consistent in speaking out against his supporters online who attack others, there’s simply not much more you can do. The internet is a dark place, as Uncle Charlie and Sutton Ross has proven. Not just Bernie suppprters :)

I really don’t know why I keep coming back other than to try and convince a group of people who do not view things the same as I do to just try and think differently.

Haha. So, you are here to change people's minds about who they vote for? Yet, you refuse to consider other people's views regarding other candidates. Cool. Here's the rub, Mike: People have already made up their mind who they want in this election. You are not a convincing person, and all you want to do is yell/judge people for not voting for Bernie. That's all that you are about so it's probably time to reevaluate yourself. Acting like a child won't help you here or anywhere you chose to go.

And one can be kind, calm and civil human being and still find his supporters insufferable, which many, many people do at this point.

To get this back on track and less about back-and-forth arguing, I’ll attempt to answer the question that was posited about how Biden is different than H. Clinton.

First of all, as far as I’m concerned, she was not a horrible candidate. In fact, she was a very good candidate. However, she wasn’t perfect (no candidate is), and if you’re a female candidate your flaws are magnified. She gets overheated in the sun? OMG, she’s unfit for duty. What’s she’s hiding about her health, etc... Still, she made some major boo-boos (not campaigning in critical states, making miners think they’d be jobless, insulting Trump voters). I’ll concede that...

So, the biggest advantage Biden has over Hillary? He’s got a p*n*s. I added the asterisks. I never know what will get deleted. If one doubts that sexism still plays a part, consider Warren. Her platform is almost identical to Sanders’s platform. Yet she is garnering only a smidgen of his votes. There are other reasons too, but I have to think her gender is a major consideration.

Related, Biden is considered less polarizing than Clinton. He is considered more warm, less “cold” than she was.

And he is more embraced by the African American community than she was due to her “super predator” comment back before she held office.

Case in point, Biden has decisively won Virginia and North Carolina tonight (no surprise that Sanders won his home state Vermont). In Virginia, tonight, Biden pulled in over 60% of the African American vote while Sanders only pulled in around 18%.

Glad to see so far, Bloomberg’s campaign has tanked so far (he did win American Samoa - 6 delegates). Let’s hope by end of the week, he’s dropped out and is a distant memory.

If Warren doesn’t win one state tonight, I wonder if her ego will allow her to gracefully suspend her campaign. If she believes in her platform, the best thing she can do is step down so her supporters can support Sanders.

Mike Barrett said: "And Sutton, all you do is call Bernie supporters stupid morons. Quit acting like you’re contributing anything to this thread, I’m just bringing a different view point than others and expressing my opinions on the matters that are important to me.

also Bernie is still favored to win the democratic nominee, so it’s funny he must be so insufferable even if he’s the favorite, funny. Anyways, NOW, I’m out. Hope Bernie wins a lot today!"

Mike, the bottom line is that you are a poor advocate for your candidate. Insisting that only Bernie can beat Trump and Biden can't for the 5th time is not any more convincing than it was the first time. I explained to you in one of my posts yesterday why I feel Biden would be a stronger candidate than Bernie against Trump, why Biden has a better chance with the demographic that went for Trump last time and needs to go Blue this time to swing the election back to the Democrats and what he would do differently than Hillary did, but you were apparently too upset at my calling you out on your constantly changing story about college affordability to even read it. Or maybe you did read it and it contradicted what you would like things to be so you just couldn't accept it.

And if you're going to make a case for Bernie giving people who can't afford college a chance to go and using yourself as an example, you can't say when told community college costs $6,500 "I don’t have $6500 lying around, most people don’t." when you've clearly said you have much more than that saved up for a move to New York. Your response to that was "I can’t just drop half my money on community college, would you drop 1/2 of your entire money to pay for college?" Guess what Mike, millions of people do that very thing. They feel a college education is the highest priority so they use much more than 50% of their savings for college, they take out student loans and go into debt, they work part-time, they postpone trips, buying a new car and yes, even relocations. They do what it takes cause they feel a college degree is essential. I still don't think you understand the difference between genuinely not having $6500 and having it but not wanting to spend it on college cause you'd really rather use it to move to New York so it'd be great if Bernie gave it to you for free. Spend your money however you like. Just don't tell us you don't have it. You're not helping dispel the notion that Bernie supporters just want free stuff.

You support Bernie. We get it. That's fine. But instead of constantly shaking your head and lecturing us on how can we not see Bernie is the only one who can beat Trump and then acting like a little kid who's gonna take his ball and go home when we won't agree with you, try to listen to what others think and try to understand why they feel the way they do. I don't expect it will ever change your mind but it might give you a better perspective that people who support Biden are not crazy for doing so, they just see things differently than you do.

Also, in some states (including my state of Oklahoma), almost half of voters decided who they were voting for in just last few days . It seems like many of the late deciders voted for Biden.