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[javero]

Posted: 3/2/20 at 7:06pm

Highland Guy said: "Joe will be joined on stage by Amy and Pete when he speaks in Dallas (my old stomping grounds) tonight. Expected to start at 8:30 p.m. ET. Not sure which channels will carry it, except maybe PBS (?)."

Thanks for sharing.  Let the healing and unification begin!

[carnzee]

Posted: 3/2/20 at 7:25pm

Mike, don't let this board get to you. I think you have been respectful and reasonable in advocating for Bernie unlike so many of the Bernie Bros. I like Bernie, just not sure about his general election chances.

[UncleCharlie]

Posted: 3/2/20 at 7:47pm

Mike Barrett said: "This place is honestly disgusting and vile, I’ve done my best to be cordial and just share my opinions on things without attack anybody else, it’s something the rest of you clearly need work on. Again, look yourself in the mirrors. You’ve all been bullying me this thread so you all can F off. Go ahead, vote for a man who said he’s running for the United States Senate and would run with a Republican. Have fun America!"

Mike, please stop playing the victim. You always give as good, if not better than you get. You're not being bullied. I'm not attacking you out of nowhere. It's just being pointed when your statements now to bolster the case for Bernie appear to be inconsistent with what you've said before. For instance, you say you're in debt and could not possibly have even afforded $6500 for college, yet you've started several threads in the last year or so about moving to New York in which you've stated you have $10,000 in one thread and $18,000 in another saved up for the move. Can you understand why your now saying you didn't have anywhere near the savings to be able to afford even $6500 for a year of college seems... inconsistent?

As far as the complaints about the show length for people with bladder issues, the issue was that the previews were running longer than the advertised length and that was what was causing the problems. But even if that wasn't the case, the complete and utter lack of any empathy whatsoever you yet again displayed today towards people with their own health issues given all those you face continues to be stunning to me. Dude, have a little compassion for others. My mother deals with that issue along with other health issues and had to stop going to the theater about 10 years ago after having it be a major part of her life for more than 60 years. It was very hard for her to accept she couldn't pursue her passion for live theater anymore. My love for theater today is from her and my dad. If you had told her "maybe theater isn't for you", I would have suggested you do something that most feel is physically impossible.

I want to be clear, I wish you no ill will and I sincerely hope you are successfully able to deal with your own health issues and have many, many years of great health and happiness ahead of you. But you choose to advocate very aggressively and forcefully for your positions, which is fine. But if that advocacy contains inconsistencies, people may choose to point that out. If you find that disgusting and vile, I'm sorry.

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 3/2/20 at 8:26pm

And now it is reported that Beto O'Rourke will be on stage with Joe and Amy and Pete in a few minutes.  

[UncleCharlie]

Posted: 3/2/20 at 8:28pm

Highland Guy said: "And now it is reported that Beto O'Rourke will be on stage with Joe and Amy and Pete in a few minutes."

Wow! That's great.

Calling Mike Bloomberg... it's time, brother.

Joe with either Pete or Amy as his running mate would make me very, very happy.

Updated On: 3/2/20 at 08:28 PM

[Miles2Go2]

Posted: 3/2/20 at 9:08pm

Highland Guy said: "And now it is reported that Beto O'Rourke will be on stage with Joe and Amy and Pete in a few minutes."

I heard on NPR today that here in Oklahoma, according to a poll taken before the recent dropout of candidates that Biden was running slightly ahead of Bloomberg. Will be interesting to see how these dropouts and endorsements will affect tomorrow. 

[Gorlois]

Posted: 3/2/20 at 9:11pm

Excited to vote for Joe Biden tomorrow in Tennessee! And looking forward to casting my vote in November for whichever Democrat take the nomination!

[Mike Barrett]

Posted: 3/2/20 at 9:46pm

UncleCharlie said: "Mike Barrett said: "This place is honestly disgusting and vile, I’ve done my best to be cordial and just share my opinions on things without attack anybody else, it’s something the rest of you clearly need work on. Again, look yourself in the mirrors. You’ve all been bullying me this thread so you all can F off. Go ahead, vote for a man who said he’s running for the United States Senate and would run with a Republican. Have fun America!"

Mike, please stop playing the victim. You always give as good,if not better than you get. You're not being bullied. I'm not attacking you out of nowhere. It's just being pointed when your statements now to bolster the case forBernie appear to be inconsistent with what you've said before. For instance, yousayyou're in debt and could not possibly have even afforded $6500for college, yet you've started several threads in the last year or so about moving to New York in which you've stated you have $10,000 in one thread and $18,000 in another saved up for the move. Can you understand why your now saying you didn't have anywhere near the savings to beable to afford even $6500 for a year of college seems... inconsistent?

As far as the complaints about the show length for people with bladder issues, the issue was that the previews were runninglonger than the advertised length and that was what was causing the problems. But even if that wasn't the case, the complete and utter lack of any empathy whatsoever you yet again displayed today towards people with their own health issues given all those you face continues to be stunning to me. Dude, have a little compassion for others. My mother deals with that issue along with other health issues and had to stop going to the theater about 10 years ago after having it be a major part of her life for more than 60 years. It was very hard for her to accept she couldn't pursue her passion for live theater anymore. My love for theater today is from her and my dad. If you had told her "maybe theater isn't for you", I would have suggested you do something that most feel is physically impossible.

I want to be clear, I wish you no ill will and Isincerely hope you are successfully able to deal with your own health issues and have many, many years of great health and happiness ahead of you. But you choose to advocate very aggressively and forcefully for your positions, which is fine. But if that advocacy contains inconsistencies, people may choose to point that out. If you find that disgusting and vile, I'm sorry."

So I want to move to NYC but can’t afford college, college is a 4 year process. It’s not $6500 and that’s it. NYC I would be working and making money, and it would cost $10K to save money and go there. I can’t just drop half my money on community college, would you drop 1/2 of your entire money to pay for college, and proceed into more debt? 

I’ve also only more recently within the past year begin more intensive work with my BPD, and treating it more than I have in the past as I’ve realized that I cannot live with it anymore without help cause I’m utterly miserable. I’m allowed to move to NYC w/10K in savings and also want more affordable college, doesn’t make me a hypocrite in the slightest. 
 

I can’t afford these things, life is expensive and a lot of it is due to our poorly run government benefiting only the upper class. 
 

Again, remember how much you paid in federal income tax last year and remember Jeff Bezos and Amazon only profited and didn’t pay a dime. 
 

And Uncle Charlie, your snark is so clear and apparent I don’t want your sympathy and I ask you ignore my posts. Thank you. 
 

Although, for a group of people who complain about Bernie people making others feel left out, bullied, or in-wanted, you have sure done that to me. Not all of you, but ya know, the ones who say Bernie people are the worst then go ahead call them morons. Real heroes in this thread. The hypocrisy would be more funny if it wasn’t purely sad. 
 

Anyways, now that uncle Charlie has derailed the thread to make it about me and all my past posts on this board, let’s get back to politics. Have fun discussing but I’m out. Hope a Democrat wins in 2020. 
 

Edit: 1 last thing, I’m also not playing the victim. You can bring up comments I’ve made on this board over the past year, but that’s your own motive. Not mine, or anybody else’s in this thread discussing politics and the democratic candidates. You brought prior history into this, it appears to be much more of an attack on a character rather than a casual conversation. Just my opinion. 

Updated On: 3/2/20 at 09:46 PM

[Call_me_jorge]

Posted: 3/3/20 at 12:06am

javero said: "Sutton Ross said: "He had absolutely no black support, so this is not at all surprising."

At 38, he's also rather young for a presidential hopeful. The traditional Democratic voting blocs to date have tended to go for someone a bit more "seasoned". Mayor Pete has a bright future ahead of him. I really hope that a Biden-Klobuchar ticket emerges since that's the only one with a clear path to 270 electoral college votes. Naming Mayor Pete as Sec of State is a no-brainer and represents a welcome relief from Mike Pompeo who used to be a man of honor.

The key to the general election will be flipping the 5 keystates that Hillary lost to Trump, e.g. WI, NC, PA, MI, and FL. That's 90 electoral college votes that Biden-Klobuchar can put in the Dem's column. That would give them 322 to Trump-Pence's 216.

I encourage you all to set sentiment aside for a moment and do the math yourselves."

Why are you making it seem Biden would have such an easy time winning in those states over bernie?? Hilary and Biden are the same in this scenario. If Hilary couldn’t win those states, neither can Biden...

[Call_me_jorge]

Posted: 3/3/20 at 1:11am

Javero, I truly don’t think you you understand why 2016 went for trump if you believe Biden is the one for the dems.

[javero]

Posted: 3/3/20 at 2:34am

Call_me_jorge said: "Why are you making it seem Biden would have such an easy time winning in those states over bernie?? Hilary and Biden are the same in this scenario. If Hilary couldn’t win those states, neither can Biden..."

I've never suggested that the g.e. would be a cakewalk for Biden.  That contest tends to be decided in the margins unless the Dems send up a dud like Mike Dukakis.  Even when a nominee who looks good on paper sits atop the ticket, like John Kerry, the GOP has a history of eating the Dems' lunch.  Politics is a team sport.  The party nominee for potus becomes the standard bearer and target all in one.  He or she has to have large coattails and be an asset for the nominees down ballot who will be in tightly contested races at both the national and state levels.

It will all become so much clearer after you've been blessed to live through a few more general and mid-term elections.  It's tough to extrapolate if the 2016 general election  is your reference point.  Often, real-world perception is the reward after the provided-for become providers themselves.

Updated On: 3/3/20 at 02:34 AM

[South Florida]

Posted: 3/3/20 at 8:34am

Nobody, not even Sander's supporters, are going to stay home or vote Dump. 

[Mike Barrett]

Posted: 3/3/20 at 4:47pm

I genuinely ask (and don’t plan to respond, cause I’m done after this), can someone explain to me what Joe Biden offers in 2020 to beat Trump that Hillary didn’t? They’re quite similiar candidates, and we lost in 2020. Why would we do the same thing again?

Edit: Everyone was “too afraid” of Bernie last time, and loom what that has brought us over the last 4 years. Primary voting is always lower than general elections, people will need the young millennial vote if they want to defeat trump, and they will need to support the lower class. Joe Biden does not offer that, and neither did Hillary Clinton. I just keep wondering if people actually want to win lol, Joe was his FIRST primary in 3 presidential campaigns, how is that insirpring or giving anybody hope against Trump? Other than SC, Joe is not doing much better than Hillary in the spots she won/lost in 2016, I really fear if we do not go Bernie you are all asking for another 4 years of trump. Obama promised change, and voters turned out to make that change happen. Bernie is doing the same and I personally beleive will inspire that same turnout. Joe Biden just wants to revert backwards, not inspiring to the younger generation, let alone how awful Joe would do going up against Donald Trump. Just saying this genuinely as my opinion on the race, not attacking anyone’s beliefs. Should be interesting what America has to say today 

Updated On: 3/3/20 at 04:47 PM

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 3/3/20 at 4:52pm

Mike Barrett said: "I genuinely ask (and don’t plan to respond, cause I’m done after this), can someone explain to me what Joe Biden offers in 2020 to beat Trump that Hillary didn’t? They’re quite similiar candidates, and we lost in 2020. Why would we do the same thing again?"

The Russians handed the Presidency to the thing who currently occupies the Oval Office.  

Now.  This, I think, is the third time you've said you're out of this thread.  Be a man of your word,

 

 

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 3/3/20 at 5:10pm

Brah, this is the fifth time in this thread you have said "Im out". You clearly are not out and have more to say which is fine, but stop saying you are done, it's annoying.

It's odd that you can name call all throughout this entire thread but when I make a general statement about Bernie's moronic supporters you bring it up more than once. Are you offended that other people are doing the same thing you are doing? Weird.

Your wackadoo statements ("If you like Bloomberg you might as well vote for TRUMP! GRRRRR) are hilarious and speaks to your narrow point of view. But, since this is your first or second time ever voting in a Presidential election, I can almost forgive the deep ignorance. Almost. You refuse to read anyone's thoughts (something you admit) or articles, and refuse to listen to other people's opinions of other candidates without lecturing others. A TRUE Bernie Believer if Ive ever seen one. *Shudder*

Joe Biden is a moderate and is very popular among African Americans. Bernie is a Democratic Socialist and an extremist. That is why Trump wants to run against him, because he knows he can beat him, easily. Your vague response to my question about free college is right from Bernie's website. Do you believe everything a politician tells you?

Stop dishing it out, because it's clear you cannot take it. 

Updated On: 3/3/20 at 05:10 PM

[Mike Barrett]

Posted: 3/3/20 at 5:33pm

Lol okay, I can clearly take it as I do keep coming back and I care! I’ve been nothing but civil in this thread. If someone calls me a moron, I’m not afraid to dish it back to you Sutton Ross, and incredibly ignorant. Where have I name called in this thread? I’d love a specific point I name called anybody who did not attack me first. Truly, go for it. You’re the one who called Bernie supporters morons yet act like a civil and calm and kind human being. It’s just so sad I guess I really don’t know why I keep coming back other than to try and convince a group of people who do not view things the same as I do to just try and think differently. I never once called anyone a moron, unlike the poster above. Jesus Christ like look in the mirror girl and re-evaluate yourself.

I’ve been a stagnant Bernie supporter and if that is “wrong” to you, it speaks to your narrow mindedness by name calling his supporters and calling them the worst human beings. We just want to be able to afford to go to the doctor, oh how awful of us!!! Bernie has been consistent in speaking out against his supporters online who attack others, there’s simply not much more you can do. The internet is a dark place, as Uncle Charlie and Sutton Ross has proven. Not just Bernie suppprters :)

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 3/3/20 at 5:46pm

Happy Super Tuesday everyone! 
 

 

Updated On: 3/3/20 at 05:46 PM

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 3/3/20 at 5:51pm

I really don’t know why I keep coming back other than to try and convince a group of people who do not view things the same as I do to just try and think differently.

Haha. So, you are here to change people's minds about who they vote for? Yet, you refuse to consider other people's views regarding other candidates. Cool. Here's the rub, Mike: People have already made up their mind who they want in this election. You are not a convincing person, and all you want to do is yell/judge people for not voting for Bernie. That's all that you are about so it's probably time to reevaluate yourself. Acting like a child won't help you here or anywhere you chose to go. 

And one can be kind, calm and civil human being and still find his supporters insufferable, which many, many people do at this point. 

[Mike Barrett]

Posted: 3/3/20 at 5:54pm

And Sutton, all you do is call Bernie supporters stupid morons. Quit acting like you’re contributing anything to this thread, I’m just bringing a different view point than others and expressing my opinions on the matters that are important to me.

also Bernie is still favored to win the democratic nominee, so it’s funny he must be so insufferable even if he’s the favorite, funny. Anyways, NOW, I’m out. Hope Bernie wins a lot today!

[Miles2Go2]

Posted: 3/3/20 at 7:49pm

To get this back on track and less about back-and-forth arguing, I’ll attempt to answer the question that was posited about how Biden is different than H. Clinton.

First of all, as far as I’m concerned, she was not a horrible candidate. In fact, she was a very good candidate. However, she wasn’t perfect (no candidate is), and if you’re a female candidate your flaws are magnified. She gets overheated in the sun? OMG, she’s unfit for duty. What’s she’s hiding about her health, etc... Still, she made some major boo-boos (not campaigning in critical states, making miners think they’d be jobless, insulting Trump voters). I’ll concede that...

So, the biggest advantage Biden has over Hillary? He’s got a p*n*s. I added the asterisks. I never know what will get deleted. If one doubts that sexism still plays a part, consider Warren. Her platform is almost identical to Sanders’s platform. Yet she is garnering only a smidgen of his votes. There are other reasons too, but I have to think her gender is a major consideration.

Related, Biden is considered less polarizing than Clinton. He is considered more warm, less “cold” than she was.

And he is more embraced by the African American community than she was due to her “super predator” comment back before she held office.

Case in point, Biden has decisively won Virginia and North Carolina tonight (no surprise that Sanders won his home state Vermont). In Virginia, tonight, Biden pulled in over 60% of the African American vote while Sanders only pulled in around 18%.

Glad to see so far, Bloomberg’s campaign has tanked so far (he did win American Samoa - 6 delegates). Let’s hope by end of the week, he’s dropped out and is a distant memory.

If Warren doesn’t win one state tonight, I wonder if her ego will allow her to gracefully suspend her campaign. If she believes in her platform, the best thing she can do is step down so her supporters can support Sanders.

[Miles2Go2]

Posted: 3/3/20 at 7:53pm

I forgot Gabbard is still running. I’m not sure what she hopes to accomplish at this point..., she has no path forward and not enough votes to prove a spoiler to anyone else...

[UncleCharlie]

Posted: 3/3/20 at 7:57pm

Mike Barrett said: "And Sutton, all you do is call Bernie supporters stupid morons. Quit acting like you’re contributing anything to this thread, I’m just bringing a different view point than others and expressing my opinions on the matters that are important to me.

also Bernie is still favored to win the democratic nominee, so it’s funny he must be so insufferable even if he’s the favorite, funny. Anyways, NOW, I’m out. Hope Bernie wins a lot today!"

Mike, the bottom line is that you are a poor advocate for your candidate. Insisting that only Bernie can beat Trump and Biden can't for the 5th time is not any more convincing than it was the first time. I explained to you in one of my posts yesterday why I feel Biden would be a stronger candidate than Bernie against Trump, why Biden has a better chance with the demographic that went for Trump last time and needs to go Blue this time to swing the election back to the Democrats and what he would do differently than Hillary did, but you were apparently too upset at my calling you out on your constantly changing story about college affordability to even read it. Or maybe you did read it and it contradicted what you would like things to be so you just couldn't accept it.

And if you're going to make a case for Bernie giving people who can't afford college a chance to go and using yourself as an example, you can't say when told community college costs $6,500 "I don’t have $6500 lying around, most people don’t." when you've clearly said you have much more than that saved up for a move to New York. Your response to that was "I can’t just drop half my money on community college, would you drop 1/2 of your entire money to pay for college?" Guess what Mike, millions of people do that very thing. They feel a college education is the highest priority so they use much more than 50% of their savings for college, they take out student loans and go into debt, they work part-time, they postpone trips, buying a new car and yes, even relocations. They do what it takes cause they feel a college degree is essential. I still don't think you understand the difference between genuinely not having $6500 and having it but not wanting to spend it on college cause you'd really rather use it to move to New York so it'd be great if Bernie gave it to you for free. Spend your money however you like. Just don't tell us you don't have it. You're not helping dispel the notion that Bernie supporters just want free stuff.

You support Bernie. We get it. That's fine. But instead of constantly shaking your head and lecturing us on how can we not see Bernie is the only one who can beat Trump and then acting like a little kid who's gonna take his ball and go home when we won't agree with you, try to listen to what others think and try to understand why they feel the way they do. I don't expect it will ever change your mind but it might give you a better perspective that people who support Biden are not crazy for doing so, they just see things differently than you do.

[UncleCharlie]

Posted: 3/3/20 at 7:59pm

Miles2Go2 said: "I forgot Gabbard is still running. I’m not sure what she hopes to accomplish at this point..., she has no path forward and not enough votes to prove a spoiler to anyone else..."

She even probably forgot she was still running so she probably doesn't realize she has to announce she's suspending her campaign.

[Miles2Go2]

Posted: 3/3/20 at 7:59pm

Also, in some states (including my state of Oklahoma), almost half of voters decided who they were voting for in just last few days . It seems like many of the late deciders voted for Biden.

[Miles2Go2]

Posted: 3/3/20 at 9:25pm

Oof...Warren not even winning in the state (Massachusetts) she represents in Congress and not even viable in the state (Oklahoma) she grew up.