clinton vs. sanders your vote?- Page 78

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 2/22/16 at 12:17am

It took you two minutes to respond also. 

 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/22/16 at 12:29am

Jordan it took you four minutes to respond.  Apparently that says something.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 2/22/16 at 12:35am

And now almost 6 minutes!

 

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 2/22/16 at 7:48am

For once, I agree with South Florida. The fact that Namo's penniless, loveless world revolves around a message board is absolutely pathetic.  xoxo

[PalJoey]

Posted: 2/22/16 at 7:59am

 

Has this improved or am I still in my bubble? It's alarming how many of you can be so ill informed.

 

The act of citing a poll to prove a point has always been fraught with inaccuracy, but it has become a fool's argument in the current world. 

 

Here is a sentence from that same (Breitbart!) article, from that same Quinnipiac poll:

 

"However, 58 percent said that she has strong leadership qualities, and her numbers for “experience” better Republican frontrunner Donald Trump’s numbers in the poll."

 

And also:

 

Voters say 59 - 32 percent, including 86 - 10 percent among Democrats, that she has a good chance of defeating the Republican nominee next November. 
 

 

The truth is, polls ask conflicting leading questions of approximately 1200 landlines/cellphones, half Republicans and half Democrat...so you're basing your deductions on tiny groups of people.

 

[South Florida]

Posted: 2/22/16 at 8:10am

I can cite more than a dozen articles (polls) that point to her being untrustworthy.  I'm not saying I agree with them but there is no getting around that is how much of the public feel about her.  Liza, again creepy, that you presume to know that Namo is loveless and penniless

[StageManager2]

Posted: 2/22/16 at 10:19am

ErikJ972 is conspicuously absent. He posted the moment Sanders won NH, but it's two days later since NV, and nothing.

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 2/22/16 at 12:24pm

I've been away dealing with a death in the family.

Thanks for the concern SM2. 

Sanders made up a 40 point deficit in Nevada. That's nothing to hide from.

Updated On: 2/22/16 at 12:24 PM

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 2/22/16 at 12:35pm

I'm sorry to hear that, Erik. My condolences to you and your family.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/22/16 at 12:40pm

Me too, mine too.

[South Florida]

Posted: 2/22/16 at 2:48pm

Thoughts your way Erik.

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 2/22/16 at 3:15pm

Thanks guys :)

And for the record, I didn't post about New Hampshire until the morning after the primary. 

[PalJoey]

Posted: 2/22/16 at 4:05pm

 

Erik's postings in this thread have always reflected his high level of integrity and depth of undertsanding of the political process.

 

Erik--my condolences to you as well. 

 

[South Florida]

Posted: 2/22/16 at 5:10pm

Erik is a good heart and soul as are most of the posters in here.

 

[javero]

Posted: 2/22/16 at 8:55pm

Sorry for your loss, Erik.

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 2/23/16 at 12:50pm

Thanks again for the good thoughts. It's been a crappy week and it means a lot.

 

But to get back on topic...some good news! :)

 

Spike Lee Endorses Bernie Sanders

Director and producer Spike Lee made his endorsement of Bernie Sanders official on Tuesday, cutting a radio ad for the campaign in South Carolina.

"Wake up, South Carolina! This is your dude, Spike Lee," the honorary Oscar recipient says in the 60-second spot, replete with Sanders' usual campaign message about the system being rigged against average Americans.

“For too long, we've given our votes to puppets, sold the okie-doke. Ninety-nine percent of Americans were affected by the Great Recession of 2008,” Lee says in the spot, remarking that Sanders is "not on the take" and will "do the right thing" in the White House, alluding to his 1989 film by the same name.

Lee goes on to invoke Sanders' participation in the 1963 March of Washington with Martin Luther King Jr. as well as his arrest in Chicago "for protesting segregation in public schools."

"He fought for wealth and education equality throughout his whole career. No flippin', no floppin'. Enough talk. Time for action. Hey, Bernie from Brooklyn, talk to the folks," Lee says, before Sanders delivers the usual line that he endorsed the message.

The spot comes ahead of South Carolina's Democratic primary, where Sanders has been looking to make inroads among African-Americans, an electorate where Hillary Clinton has held an edge in polling.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/02/spike-lee-backs-bernie-sanders-radio-ad-219658#ixzz410y85jxn

[PalJoey]

Posted: 2/23/16 at 1:54pm

 

Bernie needs that badly. It's been shocking to me how poorly the African Americans have responded to the Sanders campaign.

 

Bernie is so rooted in his pre-1970s radicalism that he thinks all struggles on the left are the same struggle. He doesn't realize that for the past four decades or so, when white politicians say "Once we fix our issues, your issues will be fixed as well," all black voters hear is "We'll fix our problems first and maybe we'll get around to yours afterward."

 

Hillary doesn't tell them that solving income equality will magically solve their problems. She talks about mothers and childcare and jobs and incarceration and empowerment. They see her as a strong woman who lost graciously to a black man in 2008--and then not only helped him to get elected to be the first black president but she also went to work for him in an important job--and did a good job too. 

 

And that's not me white-splaining. Those are the kinds of things people say in exit polls and town meetings.

 

One of the great mysteries of this election is why Bernie didn't come up with a more compelling narrative than "I participated in 1960s protests" and "Fixing income equality will solve racism."

 

Maybe Spike Lee will sway voters, but I don't think significantly.

 

 

 

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 2/23/16 at 1:57pm

Does Spike Lee have the same amount of influence as he did 20 years ago? I don't think he does, so I can't see this swaying many people over to his side.

[madbrian]

Posted: 2/23/16 at 2:52pm

Lee's endorsement may help Bernie some, but HRC recently picked up James Clyburn's endorsement, and that carries incredible weight.

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 2/23/16 at 3:13pm

But the thing Clinton ignores is how Wall Street directly impacts all of those things you are talking about in your post PJ. From red lining neighborhoods, discriminatory lending practices, predatory mortgages, foreclosing of homes, prison for profit, and the systematic dismantling of public education (mostly in African American neighborhoods) for Wall Street profit.

It's silly to say that income inequality is "one issue".

[Steve C.]

Posted: 2/23/16 at 5:13pm

I'm proud to say that there are many intelligent and thoughtful posters on BWW and even though there are differing opinions, I don't think we have ever gotten to the lowest levels of name calling and tirades that some of the candidates do almost daily.

Which brings me to a few comments; the amount of ignorance and knowledge of our electoral and judicial system still amazes me. Polls and surveys have always been touted as barometers of the outcome and time and time again they are wrong. It comes down to "truthiness" and never underestimating the voting public. I don't think Spike Lee has the same relevance he had 20 minutes ago let alone 20 years ago...so Feel the Spike Lee Joint burn! And now it's all about the Supreme Court! No nominee will be considered at all?? What can you say about all these shenanigans regarding the court, when (according to some poll) 20 per cent of college grads think Judge Judy is on the Supreme Court!! Doh! 

I myself am grateful we have many people in here that are extremely intelligent, have differing opinions, and the guts to stand up and say them out loud. What backfires for whoever over whatever changes every day. What works even changes every day. Republican obstacles and brick walls have practically crippled President Obama for the past 7 years. It's time to fix this from the top down. People must realize that as Sanders says, he'll give us this, and that, and the horse you rode in on. But it can't be that way. You can't just take and take. I hope I didn't give anyone a headache.  

Updated On: 2/23/16 at 05:13 PM

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 2/23/16 at 5:27pm

Here's a pretty interesting piece from today titled "Dear Bernie, I Like You, But These Red Flags Are Too Frequent To Ignore"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-womack/dear-bernie-red-flags-frequent_b_9289954.html

[Steve C.]

Posted: 2/23/16 at 5:33pm

Very good read Jordan. I saw that earlier and thought the same thing.

[South Florida]

Posted: 2/23/16 at 6:00pm

"But Senator, we have a problem, and it's a big one. When it comes to the specifics surrounding the core issue of your campaign, you have too often come across as either disingenuous or strangely removed from current reality."

What does this mean?  The core issue of this campaign is a rigged system and the way it has made the rich richer, and the poor poorer.  Is the current reality that we are supposed to succumb to whatever the corporations and the bankers want?  Is that what Clinton is advocating?

 

[South Florida]

Posted: 2/23/16 at 6:02pm

"Of course it will. The Treasury Department has been legally required to do that since the Dodd-Frank Act of 2010. The institutions are, on top of that, already subjected to stress tests, and when they fail, there are fairly serious consequences. The Department's annual report is available right here. You can find a list of these institutions on Wikipedia, for crying out loud. The Financial Stability Board also maintains a global list, which you can find right here, should you find that helpful."

Yet somehow the banks got bigger and more powerful.