clinton vs. sanders your vote? — Page 93

HRC is the most qualified, competent person to run for the White House in my memory. So for Sanders, or whoever becomes the GOP nominee, to "mansplain" things to her will put off a lot of voters.

Sanders has done a lot of good in his lifetime. But, I gotta be honest, if I were a registered Democrat sitting on the fence still, my vote would clearly go to Hillary warts and all, after tonight's debate in Flint. A huge block of Trump's supporters is made up of disaffected whites who feel that the government has turned a deaf ear to them and who feel that the American dream is quickly escaping them. Bernie's tone toward Hillary was dismissive and his incessant class warfare is somewhat off-putting to me personally. I do find shared sacrifices reasonable but will never support a candidate who seeks to penalize me for what meager success I've been able to achieve in my lifetime. What do we cut from your treasured entitlement programs (and farm subsidies), Bernie?

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Let's have a look-see at what separates Hillary from Bernie regarding farm subsidies which is practically a non-issue in primaries...but just wait until the general election.

https://ballotpedia.org/2016_presidential_candidates_on_agricultural_subsidies#Bernie_Sanders

Jordan Catalano said: "And to add to his answer about the "ghetto", he also said that white people dont know what it's like to be poor. WTF"

That's not what he said. He said white people don't know what it's like to be poor and live in communities affected by institutional racism and police brutality.

Namo, you don't understand, so many people hate her.

"Why won't Hillary release her Wall Street speeches?"

Probably the same reason that Trump isn't going to authorize the release of the portion of audio of remarks he made off the record to the NYT editorial board. See http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/03/02/trumps-off-the-record-remarks-new-york-times-went-public/

Hillary as a private citizen was as entitled as I to earn a living. I don't know the terms of any contract she might have entered with the banks or any other industry segment as a paid speaker. Last I checked corporations, including merchant banks and investment banks alike, are considered persons under the 14th amendment of the US constitution. And on 1/21/2010, the SCOTUS ruled in CITIZENS UNITED v. FEDERAL ELECTION COMMISSION that then extant federal laws abridging the rights of non-profit corporations and unions to make independent expenditures for communications in support of or in opposition to any candidate in a partisan election were UNLAWFUL. At the heart of the matter was whether a non-profit was permitted to run an independent documentary film that was a hatchet job on none other than Hillary Rodham Clinton herself.

As much as I dislike that SCOTUS ruling, you and I can form a non-profit and bankroll a hit piece in print media or televised attack ads on Trump without the consent of his rivals if we so desire, as long as we make the required disclosures. And conversely, even now candidate Hillary is permitted to speak before any donor or potential supporter including the KKK; let her conscience be her guide.

Not to put too fine a point on it or anything, but someone of Hillary's stature can certainly pull in top dollar on the speaker's circuit in private life. I'm uncomfortable vilifying anyone for earning a living. I'm still smh at the fact that Noam Chomsky's liberal bonafides have also been called into question by haters of free enterprise. See http://www.hoover.org/research/noam-chomsky-closet-capitalist Time is money.

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When the discussion turned to guns, Sanders basically recited NRA doctrine in defense of some of his votes. That won't sit well with many liberals.

@madbrian, I actually found his remarks about guns worse than his waffling during the whole race/ghetto/poverty debacle that Don Lemon is largely responsible for. My dad took me hunting as a kid a million years ago but I could live with a repeal of the 2nd amendment however unlikely. Bernie knows that a call for a repeal of the 2nd amendment would have doomed his candidacy before it even took off. He's playing politics with that one. It would probably get him voted out of the Senate in 2018 by his constituency back in VT if he's still interested in holding onto the seat.

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Do you suppose Sanders interrupting Clinton and then telling her to "Please be quiet, I'm talking!" while waving a finger in her face when she tried to interject was his Rick Lazio moment? At least where Michigan is concerned?

No, Jordan is not accurate. Here's what Sanders said in context:

"I was with young people active in the Black Lives Matter movement. A young lady comes up to me and she says, you don't understand what police do in certain black communities. You don't understand the degree to which we are terrorized, and I'm not just talking about the horrible shootings that we have seen, which have got to end and we've got to hold police officers accountable, I'm just talking about every day activities where police officers are bullying people.

So to answer your question, I would say, and I think it's similar to what the secretary said, when you're white, you don't know what it's like to be living in a ghetto. You don't know what it's like to be poor. You don't know what it's like to be hassled when you walk down the street or you get dragged out of a car."

Erik, he conflates race and class, and if you cannot see that it a big deal, then your blinders may need to be loosened. That was followed by his person in the spin room saying that Clinton is only a regional candidate - i.e,, she only wins among the largely black populations. Both were missteps, and hopefully are not reflective of the candidate.

Calling HRC a regional candidate is absurd. She has won in Massachusetts, Nevada, Texas, and across the south.