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Adam Pascal sounds off on the haters!
#125Adam Pascal sounds off on the haters!
Posted: 6/5/13 at 6:47pm
Lizzy summed it up perfectly:
Also, I tore a muscle rolling my eyes as soon as he broke out with the "Well, YOU try doing it 8 times a week!" argument.
That's not the audience member's job. That's YOUR job. It's not my job to perform knee surgery either, but if my surgeon messes up, I'm not going to be silent just because I personally don't have the ability to perform the surgery.
I also don't like the "you can't do my job" argument.
I may not be on Broadway, but I'm pretty damn sure Adam can't do my job either.
"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."
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#126Adam Pascal sounds off on the haters!
Posted: 6/5/13 at 6:51pm
Like others, I thought the original thread was mostly about the overall current cast of "Chicago". I believe the OP mentioned that a bunch of the cast has been with the show for several years and appear to be going thru the motions. The OP also mentioned that it would be a good idea to have auditions for every role and make people earn their role and put some energy back in the show. I don't expect actors to be perfect but you would think that Mr. Pascal after all this time would be able to cover a mistake better than it appeared that night. The OP pointing that out IMO is not bullying Mr. Pascal. IMO - Mr. Pascal's remarks were juvenile and showed how out of touch he seems to be with people who work in far less glamourous and high paying jobs than Mr. Pascal. While I still respect Mr. Pascal's talent, I have lost respect for him as a person.
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John Adams
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#127Adam Pascal sounds off on the haters!
Posted: 6/5/13 at 6:55pm
If anyone wants to find some humor in all of this, read the fan comments on his FB site. They are truly profound and uniquely insightful >not<.
My recent favorite:
"I love you more when you forget, it means youre totally in the moment."
#129Adam Pascal sounds off on the haters!
Posted: 6/5/13 at 7:05pm
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"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
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#130Adam Pascal sounds off on the haters!
Posted: 6/5/13 at 7:06pm
"I may not be on Broadway, but I'm pretty damn sure Adam can't do my job either."
If you make a mistake at your job, I hope no one tells you to go back and learn your job, or maybe that you don't belong at that job.
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#131Adam Pascal sounds off on the haters!
Posted: 6/5/13 at 7:09pmJane---Oh, no, I've never ever received any criticism. I live in a bubble.
"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."
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#132Adam Pascal sounds off on the haters!
Posted: 6/5/13 at 7:13pmyeah, but bestie, do you receive criticism through a megaphone broadcast across the internet viewed by tens of thousands? I think the difference in scale is very germane.
#133Adam Pascal sounds off on the haters!
Posted: 6/5/13 at 7:15pm
A megaphone? More like a radio channel.
That can be turned off and ignored.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
#134Adam Pascal sounds off on the haters!
Posted: 6/5/13 at 7:16pm
Answer: For one of my jobs, yes, I do.
I've also worked professionally as an actor in the past. If and when I screwed up, I was called on it.
If you want the "very public awards" that come with a high-profile job, you have to be willing to take the "very public criticism" too.
"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."
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#135Adam Pascal sounds off on the haters!
Posted: 6/5/13 at 7:19pm
Kad, I respect you and don't want respond hyperbolically, but whether or not people choose not to read here, shouldn't there be reasonable limits to what bashing we can do on this site?
Updated On: 6/5/13 at 07:19 PM
John Adams
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/1/13
#136Adam Pascal sounds off on the haters!
Posted: 6/5/13 at 7:19pmAnother fun fan comment:
"Amen, Adam Pascal, so well written. One of our biggest problems with all this technology is the insecure people putting down the rest of us who are living our lives to the fullest."
#137Adam Pascal sounds off on the haters!
Posted: 6/5/13 at 7:24pmI didn't realize Adam Pascal had Amish fans. On FB, no less!
"This thread reads like a series of White House memos." — Mister Matt
#138Adam Pascal sounds off on the haters!
Posted: 6/5/13 at 7:29pm
Is there any truth to the claim that as actors get more experienced, they get better at covering a flubbed lyric?
I'm not sure the claim is true, because it seems to assume that an experienced actor has forgotten his lines so often he has developed a recovery scheme. But if forgets his lines a lot, how did he get a chance to become "more experienced"?
As for "bullying", I'm sure performers do feel the pressure of the increased attention of social media, as do politicians and CEOs. But such is the world we all live in. And Pascal has a platform on which to reply, which is more than Jerry Orbach ever had (or needed, to my knowledge)!
#139Adam Pascal sounds off on the haters!
Posted: 6/5/13 at 7:30pm
"Kad, I respect you and don't want respond hyperbolically, but whether or not people choose not to read here, shouldn't there be reasonable limits to what bashing we can do on this site?"
As long as it's not slanderous or libelous, or constrained by other limits of law governing speech, I don't see the need to institute limits. The moderators can, and do, see to moderate as they see fit, or in response to specific complaints.
Discussing performers and performances WILL yield opinions and thoughts that are negative. People WILL feel strongly about them- positively or negatively.
I have seen no evidence of what is spoken on these boards affecting box office or critical success, or whether or not an actor will have a successful career and find work.
Freedom of speech cuts both ways- good and bad, particularly on the Internet which for the most part is an ungovernable morass of differing points of view.
Broadway professionals KNOW what sort of discussions can and do go on here, or on ATC, or any other message board. They know it. They can choose to engage, or choose to ignore. Most choose the latter and seem to be better for it.
Throwing a fit because you peered into a place you know might contain things you didn't like and- surprisingly enough- found things you didn't like is ridiculous.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
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Broadway Legend Joined: 4/1/13
#140Adam Pascal sounds off on the haters!
Posted: 6/5/13 at 7:30pm
>> I didn't realize Adam Pascal had Amish fans. On FB, no less!
That particular comment was posted by a woman who, when reading her fortune from a fortune cookie, always adds the words, "on Facebook" at the end.
#141Adam Pascal sounds off on the haters!
Posted: 6/5/13 at 7:32pmIt's so interesting to see how people rationalise their mistakes and those that pull them up on it, John Adams. I find that truly pathetic - that the fans have to result in personal attacks rather than focus on the actual issue.
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
#142Adam Pascal sounds off on the haters!
Posted: 6/5/13 at 7:35pm
Yes, the Internet has changed everyone's game. Even if you don't own a computer and try to have a private existence, someone can post a photo or comment about you for the world to see.
But if part of your job involves a "service" that others (even large audiences) pay to experience, it's your job to deliver the goods.
As for flubbing lines, it can happened to newbies and seasoned professionals alike. It can happen to people who have performed the same role or song or dance thousands of times.
The brain is a terrible thing.
"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."
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#143Adam Pascal sounds off on the haters!
Posted: 6/5/13 at 7:42pm
Kad, I agree with most of your post except:
I think there IS a kind of bashing here at BWW that stops short of breaking the law that is still abusive. There is a CUMULATIVE effect of individually innocuous digs that goes on for page after page that can rise to the level of bashing for me.
I concede that Pascal was ill-advised to post his rant on Facebook, but 5 pages of pissy rebuttal on this thread seems wildly out of scale as a response. There's a mean girl glee to it all, and I'm saddened by the sense that so few of the posters recognize that we might actually be part of the problem too.
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Broadway Legend Joined: 4/1/13
#144Adam Pascal sounds off on the haters!
Posted: 6/5/13 at 7:48pm
>> And Pascal has a platform on which to reply, which is more than Jerry Orbach ever had (or needed, to my knowledge)!
I love that observation. 
#145Adam Pascal sounds off on the haters!
Posted: 6/5/13 at 7:49pm
Someone in a Tree2--I consider myself sensitive to actual "bashing.' Not criticism, or even potshots, but actual bashing and bullying. I have seen some of it around here, so your point is well taken.
But I don't think Pascal is or was being "bashed" on these threads.
Winston's comments that Pascal has rebutted had to do with his flubbing up and recovering so poorly from it. That's pretty much it, and it's not a "bash." He went on to say that many of the current Chicago cast members are "walking through" their tracks.
That's a fair criticism if Winston feels that way. Again, not a "bash."
"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."
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#146Adam Pascal sounds off on the haters!
Posted: 6/5/13 at 7:50pm
I think there IS a kind of bashing here at BWW that stops short of breaking the law that is still abusive.
HUH???? I've had trolls make multiple user names to bash me endlessly because I supported WOMEN ON THE VERGE. I was creeped out, but I didn't cry abuse!
#147Adam Pascal sounds off on the haters!
Posted: 6/5/13 at 7:53pm
Except this ISN'T five pages of "Adam Pascal is a whiny twat."
There is legitimate discussion and argument going on- often about several related topics at once. Dogpiling more often than not occurs to specific USERS on this forum, those who can and do engage in debate or egg it on.
In comparison, the negative discussion of performers is hindered by the fact that it is dependent on the discussed DOING something noteworthy (IE: Pascal having a rant on Facebook, Karen Olivo missing performances, Erin Dilly's husband defending her in re: Smash). And even then- are the personages being discussed aware of it? Many times, no. It then falls to individual moralities to decide if one can be hurt by what one does not know.
Otherwise, I don't see how discussion of public figures on here constitutes bullying. Bullying of specific members? Yeah, no doubt that it occurs and in ugly ways.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
#148Adam Pascal sounds off on the haters!
Posted: 6/5/13 at 7:55pmBestie, in earlier posts (you'd have to scroll back quite a few pages) I agreed that I wouldn't call anything in Winston's posts bashing.
#149Adam Pascal sounds off on the haters!
Posted: 6/5/13 at 7:56pm
"But if part of your job involves a "service" that others (even large audiences) pay to experience, it's your job to deliver the goods. "
"As for flubbing lines, it can happened to newbies and seasoned professionals alike. It can happen to people who have performed the same role or song or dance thousands of times. "
But, but ? First you say it's their job to deliver the goods. But then, is it okay if they don't, as you acknowledge in your second sentence.
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