Alex Brightman Bootleg Tweets- Page 4

[MollyJeanneMusic]

Posted: 12/31/19 at 11:24am

LizzieCurry said: "SOME art is geographically based. Not everyone can go see the sculptures at Storm King — you need a way to get there. Also, a lot of people tend to forget about tours when they name non-New York cities and states…"

I've been looking forward to the tour of Hello, Dolly for ages and was going to see it at Proctors, since it's the only touring location my family and I can easily get to, especially during the school year.  Now that it's cancelled, does that mean I'm no longer entitled to seeing the show, even though I was just a few days ago?

[Olivia11]

Posted: 12/31/19 at 11:35am

MollyJeanneMusic said: "LizzieCurry said: "SOME art is geographically based. Not everyone can go see the sculptures at Storm King — you need a way to get there. Also, a lot of people tend to forget about tours when they name non-New York cities and states…"

I've been looking forward to the tour of Hello, Dolly for ages and was going to see it at Proctors, since it's the only touring location my family and I can easily get to, especially during the school year. Now that it's cancelled, does that mean I'm no longer entitled toseeing the show, even though I was just a few days ago?"

Once again, the word “entitled”.



You are “entitled” to buy an available ticket to an existing production. That’s it.



I agree that it is very sad that tour stops convenient to you were cancelled and it is very disappointing. However, that does not “entitle” you to have recorded versions available to you. 

 
I live on the West Coast. There have been productions that I really wanted to see, but was unable to travel to see them. While sad, I never think that I am somehow “entitled” to a recorded version. 

Updated On: 12/31/19 at 11:35 AM

[Broadway61004]

Posted: 12/31/19 at 12:05pm

MollyJeanneMusic said: "LizzieCurry said: "SOME art is geographically based. Not everyone can go see the sculptures at Storm King — you need a way to get there. Also, a lot of people tend to forget about tours when they name non-New York cities and states…"

I've been looking forward to the tour of Hello, Dolly for ages and was going to see it at Proctors, since it's the only touring location my family and I can easily get to, especially during the school year. Now that it's cancelled, does that mean I'm no longer entitled toseeing the show, even though I was just a few days ago?"

That's exactly what it means.  If you can't go see the show, either because of geographic location, cancellations, ticket prices, illness or whatever else, it means you don't get to see it.  That's the way it works.

[LizzieCurry]

Posted: 12/31/19 at 12:16pm

Some people are way too into crossing their arms and shutting others off with their declaration of the status quo.

Updated On: 12/31/19 at 12:16 PM

[Olivia11]

Posted: 12/31/19 at 12:25pm

LizzieCurry said: "Some people are way too into crossing their arms and shutting others off with their declaration of the status quo."

...and some people are way too entitled and think they should get everything they want just because they exist on the planet. 

 

[Dionysus3]

Posted: 12/31/19 at 12:27pm

LizzieCurry said: "Some people are way too into crossing their arms and shutting others off with their declaration of the status quo."

Yep. And theatre is going to continue to slide further into irrelevance. 

[Broadway61004]

Posted: 12/31/19 at 12:41pm

LizzieCurry said: "Some people are way too into crossing their arms and shutting others off with their declaration of the status quo."

Yep, some people are way too into asking other people not to break the law. So silly of them.

[Olivia11]

Posted: 12/31/19 at 12:54pm

Yep. And theatre is going to continue to slide further into irrelevance."

All 2019 Box Office statistics to the contrary, but go ahead on that assumption. 

[Dionysus3]

Posted: 12/31/19 at 1:17pm

Olivia11 said: "
Yep. And theatre is going to continue to slide further into irrelevance."

All 2019 Box Office statistics to the contrary, but go ahead on that assumption."

Yes, there is a niche audience who gets to go see theatre. And it’s only going to get worse as prices soar. I’m not talking about money, although the entire Broadway yearly box office is like one Marvel movie’s global gross. I’m talking about cultural impact. I don’t give a s*** how much money is made; I care about how many people get to have the experience. A more equitable, egalitarian theatre community is better than a stodgy, elitist one. 

[Olivia11]

Posted: 12/31/19 at 1:26pm

Dionysus3 said: "Olivia11 said: "
Yep. And theatre is going to continue to slide further into irrelevance."

All 2019 Box Office statistics to the contrary, but go ahead on that assumption."

Yes, there is a niche audience who gets to go see theatre. And it’s only going to get worse as prices soar.I’m not talking about money, although the entire Broadway yearly box office is like one Marvel movie’s global gross. I’m talking about cultural impact.I don’t give a s*** how much money is made;I care about how many people get to have the experience. A more equitable, egalitarian theatre community is better than a stodgy, elitist one”

That all sound good until you have to figure out a way to pay for it. Advocating for stealing the property of those that actually pay to produce shows by illegally recording and distributing recordings does not make you the Robin Hood of theater. 

 

[Dionysus3]

Posted: 12/31/19 at 1:44pm

Olivia11 said: "Dionysus3 said: "Olivia11 said: "
Yep. And theatre is going to continue to slide further into irrelevance."

All 2019 Box Office statistics to the contrary, but go ahead on that assumption."

Yes, there is a niche audience who gets to go see theatre. And it’s only going to get worse as prices soar.I’m not talking about money, although the entire Broadway yearly box office is like one Marvel movie’s global gross. I’m talking about cultural impact.I don’t give a s*** how much money is made;I care about how many people get to have the experience. A more equitable, egalitarian theatre community is better than a stodgy, elitist one”

That all sound good until you have to figure out a way to pay for it. Advocating for stealing the property of those that actually pay to produce shows by illegally recording and distributing recordingsdoes not make you the Robin Hood of theater.

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I haven’t advocated for bootlegging one time. I have advocated for finding ways to minimize the need for bootlegging. 

[LuPita2]

Posted: 12/31/19 at 2:46pm

I've been looking forward to the tour of Hello, Dolly for ages and was going to see it at Proctors, since it's the only touring location my family and I can easily get to, especially during the school year. Now that it's cancelled, does that mean I'm no longer entitled to seeing the show, even though I was just a few days ago?

You can select a different show, save up, buy tickets, and travel there. That is what you are entitled to. You have a right to go to a show if you can afford it, like every other person in the world. You don't deserve to see a show simply because you want to see it. Get real. 

[perfectlymarvelous]

Posted: 12/31/19 at 2:50pm

There is no "need" for bootlegging. There are conversations we need to have about accessibility to theatre (and that doesn't just mean financial access), but no one *needs* bootlegs. I went to school for applied theatre and have had many, many discussions about what it means for theatre to be truly accessible, and never once in those conversations did a single one of us mention bootlegs. Theatre is ultimately about a communal experience and being in the room with other people experiencing the same thing (including the performers), and as fun as it might be to revisit things that have been captured on video, it eliminates this vital part of theatre. Theatre exists everywhere, even in the tiniest communities, and if it doesn't then there is nothing stopping you from making it yourself. In order to grow the art form and keep it relevant, one of the things we have to do is rid ourselves of the idea that Broadway/national tours are the *ultimate* theatre experiences worth having. I live in New York and have for more than 11 years, and at this point I see FAR more off-Broadway/off-off-Broadway/off-off-off-Broadway theatre than I do Broadway shows. So much of that has been transcendent, breathtaking, paradigm-shifting, and very little of it has cost me more than $40. 

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 12/31/19 at 3:27pm

After 40 plus years of attending theater ( before and after marriage ) physical and monetary issues have ended theater for us. We live in NYC but no longer go. Wife wants nothing to do with the subway and now personal safety is an issue in a city where crime is ramping up. After 4 years without theater we survive . Have plenty of recordings of theater .A few boots in the mix. Bottom line is you survive without theater.To some it is an obsession. It was fun to us. It has now passed us by. We survive

Happy New Year to one and all

 

Updated On: 12/31/19 at 03:27 PM

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 12/31/19 at 3:27pm

Updated On: 12/31/19 at 03:27 PM

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 12/31/19 at 3:28pm

 

 

Updated On: 12/31/19 at 03:28 PM

[MollyJeanneMusic]

Posted: 12/31/19 at 3:34pm

MollyJeanneMusic said: "LizzieCurry said: "SOME art is geographically based. Not everyone can go see the sculptures at Storm King — you need a way to get there. Also, a lot of people tend to forget about tours when they name non-New York cities and states…"

I've been looking forward to the tour of Hello, Dolly for ages and was going to see it at Proctors, since it's the only touring location my family and I can easily get to, especially during the school year. Now that it's cancelled, does that mean I'm no longer entitled to seeing the show, even though I was just a few days ago?"

For clarification, I do not plan on watching a bootleg of this tour or asking someone to film it for me.  I just wanted to put it out as a thought experiment based on recent events, thinking about how even tours can have caveats to them in terms of accessibility.

[MollyJeanneMusic]

Posted: 1/1/20 at 7:52am

And now there's more drama: Jeremy Jordan, two days ago, posted a bootleg of HIMSELF IN FINDING NEVERLAND AT ART...so...

https://twitter.com/JeremyMJordan/status/1211673554539950080

(He also clarified in another tweet that he's normally not a huge fan of bootlegs, but it seemed appropriate "given the circumstances." )

[GiantsInTheSky2]

Posted: 1/1/20 at 9:30am

There’s literally performers on Broadway who know people that film shows and arrange to get their performance documented. I can’t tell you how many DVDs I have where a lead stares directly into the camera and nothing happens.

Theatre bootlegs do not have the same effect as film bootlegs - if anything, it has the OPPOSITE effect. People see a video of a show, they fall in love with it and then actually want to see it in person, maybe even more than once. Film bootlegs/leaks prevent people from paying for them.

[magictodo123]

Posted: 1/1/20 at 10:18am

GiantsInTheSky2 said: "There’s literally performers on Broadway who know people that film shows and arrange to get their performance documented. I can’t tell you how many DVDs I have where a lead stares directly into the camera and nothing happens.

Theatre bootlegs do not have the same effect as film bootlegs - if anything, it has the OPPOSITE effect. People see a video of a show, they fall in love with it and then actually want to see it in person, maybe even more than once. Film bootlegs/leaks prevent people from paying for them."

Right, because-as I've said before-bootlegs are clearly the only way people become interested in shows. *insert eye roll here* I'm not interested in Company because I saw a bootleg of a previous performance, I'm interested because of the cast, the fact that I've never seen a production....there are SO many other ways people become interested in musicals/shows, so this isn't really the first line of defense that you should use when supporting bootlegs. It doesn't matter if like, two actors are okay with them. The bottom line is they're wrong, filming is distracting and shouldn't be done. No matter where you're from, it's not fair to the actors. They've worked so hard and you think you have the right to just take their performance for your own selfish purposes? I'd do anything to see certain shows and certain actors perform but will I ask people to film? No. Bottom line: there are going to be performances you miss. You're not in any sense entitled to have some access to those performances, especially if you obtain them through illegal means. People who live all over the world don't get to see performances they really want to see. They live. I'm sure you will too. 

[trpguyy]

Posted: 1/1/20 at 10:54am

Dionysus3 said: "I don’t give a s*** how much money is made;I care about how many people get to have the experience."

More people than ever saw Broadway shows last season. 4 million more in attendance than the 10 area NY and NJ professional sports teams combined. 
 

https://www.broadwayleague.com/press/press-releases/2018-2019-broadway-end-of-season-statistics/