Alexandra Waterbury Instagram Post- Page 2

[ModernMillie3]

Posted: 12/13/19 at 3:18am

Many of us have read the complaint, and completely disagree with your statement. It's sad that only men are defending this gross man, but that's always how it goes. Not a shocker. No one, I repeat, NO ONE has labeled him a sex offender.  None of us will ever change our minds because of you or any other man on this thread, so you can just stop with the novels, no one is interested. He deserved everything he got, the comments to him online (that caused him to delete/make private all his socials), and the not to mention, the internet is forever. His lack of apology and him never taking responsibility and ignoring this controversy entirely is immature, immoral, and despicable. Any defense of him will be entirely ignored for the rest for forever. 

This is about supporting Alex, if you can't do that, please don't post here. 

And may I just say, f*ck that guy. Forever. 

[Melodicinflation0]

Posted: 12/13/19 at 3:46am

ModernMillie3 said: "Many of us have read the complaint, and completely disagree with your statement. It's sad that only men are defending this gross man, but that's always how it goes. Not a shocker. No one, I repeat, NO ONE has labeled him a sex offender. None of us will ever change our minds because of you or any other man on this thread, so you can just stop with the novels, no one is interested. He deserved everything he got, the comments to him online (that caused him to delete all his socials), and the not to mention, the internet is forever. His lack of apology and him never taking responsibility and ignoring this controversy entirely is immature, immoral, and despicable. Any defense of him will be entirely ignored for the rest for forever.

This is about supporting Alex, if you can't do that, please don't post here.

And may I just say, f*ck that guy. Forever.

Okay, I really don’t want to throw more gasoline on this fire, but what actually happened? I have no clue about what this guy has supposedly done, but all I see is everyone freaking out without even saying what happened. So as someone who has no f****** idea what’s going on here, do you have any other information about why this guy is so horrible?

 

[carnzee]

Posted: 12/13/19 at 3:46am

Pinoyidol, thanks for sharing your intelligent and informative posts. They are so much more useful to understanding the situation than anything Modern Millie and other attention seekers are posting.

[ModernMillie3]

Posted: 12/13/19 at 4:09am

Mel,

There are dozens of articles regarding what he did. Simply google his name and all the horrible information will come up. Also, for the last year and half, there have been many threads about him, including the 3 WSS threads regarding previews and casting. This isn't really the place to find about about lawsuits or the NYCB, but it's where we come to discuss things after they happen, and give our opinions freely. Reading the court documents is where you will find all the facts of this case. This has been in the news for a very long time, I'm shocked you would not have heard about it being a BWW member but I pmed you the main article.

Sadly, men insult, belittle, and call me "attention seeking" for giving my view on this. The smart men who come here know when to not say anything at all or be incredibly supportive of women. The others? Trash bags.

Once again, support Alex or don't post here, there are many other threads you can support your boyfriend in. Thanks, broheims. 

 

[JBC3]

Posted: 12/13/19 at 7:30am

Feelings are important, but not more than facts.

[bwayphreak234]

Posted: 12/13/19 at 8:08am

JBC3 said: "Feelings are important, but not more than facts."

THIS.

[OhBoy17]

Posted: 12/13/19 at 9:06am

If this is about supporting Alex, then why post it on a discussion board where people will have a variety of opinions and responses? It's okay for you to have a soapbox but nobody else? It's not okay for anyone else to think differently than you? Your opinion is the be all end all?

And for those saying only men are defending Amar, what do you say to the countless women in his life and on social media who are supporting him and standing by him? I have zero personal affiliation with him, but I followed him on Instagram out of curiosity. And there are A LOT of women supporting his career, his casting in this show, and him overall.

Nobody is denying he did something stupid and inappropriate. But the unfounded and slanderous accusations of rape, being a sexual predator, and inciting a gender war are simply ludicrous. 

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 12/13/19 at 10:34am

ModernMillie3 said: "This is about supporting Alex, if you can't do that, please don't post here."

 

This is a chat board.  Thanks all the same, but I will post what I want, where I want.

 

Posted: 12/13/19 at 10:49am

ModernMillie3 said: "No one, I repeat, NO ONE has labeled him a sex offender."

Alexandra Waterbury in her instagram post: "You shouldn’t be on a playbill; you should be on a sex offender list."

It's in the Instagram post that this thread is supposed to be about. ModernMillie3, you seem very passionate about this, but also surprisingly unknowledgeable about the details, so I'm having trouble reconciling those two things.

[SporkGoddess]

Posted: 12/13/19 at 12:36pm

And for those saying only men are defending Amar, what do you say to the countless women in his life and on social media who are supporting him and standing by him?

There will always be women willing to stand by men or defend their crappy behavior. That means nothing.

My understanding of the facts is that the nude photos sent by Amar Ramasar were consentually taken by not consentually distributed. No, it's technically not a sexual offense or revenge porn. But it still reveals gross behavior that violated someone's trust, as well as a very disgusting attitude towards women. He hasn't even apologized.

Posted: 12/13/19 at 1:05pm

SporkGoddess said: "There will always be women willing to stand by men or defend their crappy behavior. That means nothing."

Taking away agency from every woman defending him. We're not thinking for ourselves; we're just beholden to men. I guess that's one way to dismiss our opinions.

SporkGoddess said: "My understanding of the facts is that the nude photos sent by Amar Ramasar were consentually taken by not consentually distributed. No, it's technically not a sexual offense or revenge porn. But itstill reveals gross behavior that violated someone's trust, as wellas a very disgusting attitude towards women. He hasn't even apologized."

The woman whose photos he distributed declined to join AW's suit, so we have no idea whether she consented or not. I'm assuming she didn't. But we don't know.

I appreciate that you're characterizing it correctly - not illegal; just gross. This is correct. He definitely should apologize... and I assume he will, once the suit is settled, since apologizing while a lawsuit is in progress is often used as evidence during the trial.

But for something "gross"... what's the proper punishment for something gross that was done privately, for something that broke the trust and intimacy between two people but isn't actually illegal? And why is it my business at all?

[SporkGoddess]

Posted: 12/13/19 at 1:45pm

If I'm dismissing his supporters' opinions, other people are dismissing his detractors'. I'm sure that women have valid reasons for supporting him. I'm just saying that a woman saying she supports him isn't proof of innocence.  Even Brock Turner had women testifying at his trial as to his "good character."

As for why should I care when it didn't involve me or my trust...

No, it wasn't sexual assault and it wasn't illegal. But it still shows a spectrum of behavior that contributes to rape culture and shows, at the very least, complete disrespect for women. We can't punish him with the law, fair enough, but we are allowed to voice our opinions as consumers of his art and say that we don't want a man like this in our space. Just as casting directors are allowed to decline to cast him.

To me, Me Too isn't just about recognizing and punishing sexual assault. It's also about questioning some behaviors and attitudes of men that traditionally society has normalized or even encouraged but, regardless, ultimately cause harm to women. I'm not saying that every single person who engages in these behaviors should be punished or ostracized. But they have a chance to learn from it, and Amar Ramasar clearly has not. 

[trpguyy]

Posted: 12/13/19 at 1:49pm

“ But they have a chance to learn from it, and Amar Ramasar clearly has not.”

And you know this because....?

The problem with discussions like these as that people bend facts to fit whatever opinion they’ve already formed, or just state things as fact that are opinion. 

[SporkGoddess]

Posted: 12/13/19 at 1:56pm

He hasn't made any statement or apology that I've seen.

Btw, there are some scholarly arguments that non-consensual image sharing should be considered a form of sexual abuse. 

https://academic.oup.com/ojls/article/37/3/534/2965256

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Asher_Flynn2/publication/323078201_Not_Just_%27Revenge_Pornography%27_Australians%27_Experiences_of_Image-Based_Abuse_A_SUMMARY_REPORT/links/5a7e6f74a6fdcc0d4ba8321e/Not-Just-Revenge-Pornography-Australians-Experiences-of-Image-Based-Abuse-A-SUMMARY-REPORT.pdf

 

Posted: 12/13/19 at 2:13pm

SporkGoddess said: "there are some scholarly arguments that non-consensual image sharing should be considered a form of sexual abuse."

To be honest, I find any sharing of intimate details about sexual encounters to be pretty gross, be it images or detailed descriptions. I don't want to criminalize it, but I wish everyone - guys and girls - would be a little less forthcoming.

[trpguyy]

Posted: 12/13/19 at 2:25pm

Is making a public statement regarding private misdeeds a prerequisite for learning a lesson?

 

edit: as has been pointed out, he undoubtedly has been advised to keep quiet until this case is finished in the courts. To be honest, I’m surprised Waterbury’s attorney hasn’t advised her to do the same. 

[ModernMillie3]

Posted: 12/13/19 at 2:58pm

It's in the Instagram post that this thread is supposed to be about. ModernMillie3, you seem very passionate about this, but also surprisingly unknowledgeable about the details, so I'm having trouble reconciling those two things."

Are you? On this message board, through out all these discussions, no one has labeled him that, you know, since he isn't one. Is that more clear? I'm not referring to comments on social media when I discuss this, only what posters have stated on here. I disagree with those comments but fighting the internet is something no one should attempt. 

 

[JSquared2]

Posted: 12/13/19 at 3:33pm

SporkGoddess said: "He hasn't made any statement or apology that I've seen.

Btw, there are some scholarly arguments that non-consensual image sharing should be considered a form ofsexual abuse.
 

The key words here are THAT YOU'VE SEEN.  Glad to hear that you have omniscient powers, though!

Also -- there are "scholarly arguments" for absolutely EVERY issue.  Do you also believe the "scholarly arguments" denying climate change -- or the ones that say that the earth is not round?  How about the ones that deny evolution??

 

 

 

[ModernMillie3]

Posted: 12/13/19 at 3:37pm

"No, it wasn't sexual assault and it wasn't illegal. But it still shows a spectrum of behavior that contributes to rape culture and shows, at the very least, complete disrespect for women. We can't punish him with the law, fair enough, but we are allowed to voice our opinions as consumers of his art and say that we don't want a man like this in our space. Just as casting directors are allowed to decline to cast him."

Yes to this. Thank you.

[OhBoy17]

Posted: 12/13/19 at 3:54pm

Maybe the only female's opinion who matters is that of his girlfriend. Who he is still with, by the way. And I imagine she had plenty to say to him. And that she'd have plenty to say to you, especially about your baseless accusation that she and every woman who continues to keep him in their lives are just defending his crappy behavior, with the implication that they're brainwashed subjects. Nobody but she and Amar could know where they stand with each other. And nobody deserves to know it besides them.

Posted: 12/13/19 at 4:12pm

OhBoy17 said: "Maybe the only female's opinion who matters is that of his girlfriend. Who he is still with, by the way."

Wow, is that true? I've always wondered about her, because she voluntarily didn't join AW's suit against NYCB, despite being (in theory) more harmed by Ramasar's actions than AW was, and being an actual member of NYCB (which AW is not, and has never been).

[SporkGoddess]

Posted: 12/13/19 at 4:21pm

Maybe the only female's opinion who matters is that of his girlfriend. Who he is still with, by the way. And I imagine she had plenty to say to him. And that she'd have plenty to say to you, especially about your baseless accusation that she and every woman who continues to keep him in their lives are just defending his crappy behavior, with the implication that they're brainwashed subjects. Nobody but she and Amar could know where they stand with each other. And nobody deserves to know it besides them

Like it or not, he's a performer and his behavior is under public scrutiny. And just because the woman in question has forgiven him doesn't mean that the public has to. We're allowed to have opinions about it, and to act on our opinions provided that our actions are legal. 

And, again, not saying she or anyone else is brainwashed. I'm saying that their defending him is no proof of innocence or that his behavior was okay.

For those asking why we're so upset by this, I ask: why are you not? What is there to be gained by defending this guy? 

[OhBoy17]

Posted: 12/13/19 at 4:40pm

Like it or not, he's a performer and his behavior is under public scrutiny. And just because the woman in question has forgiven him doesn't mean that the public has to. We're allowed to have opinions about it, and to act on our opinions provided that our actions are legal.

And, again, not saying she or anyone else is brainwashed. I'm saying that their defending him is no proof of innocence or that his behavior was okay.

For those asking why we're so upset by this, I ask: why are you not? What is there to be gained by defending this guy?"

What is there to be gained by the endless onslaught against someone? Why does he owe YOU an apology, public figure (and let's use that term lightly) or not? What do you personally stand to gain from attempting to destroy his career? If the people for whom he works and, more importantly, the people WITH WHOM he works, are comfortable with that, then where is the problem? If you don't want to support his career, don't buy a ticket.

And, lastly, why are the people who think what he did was slimy but are willing to forgive him and allow him to move on your own personal public enemy No. 2, behind him? 

My comments here have nothing to do with whether or not I think he did something wrong. They are about my inability to understand how some people refuse to see except in black and white and as a result think they are so morally above someone else. I believe cancel culture and unwillingness to accept that people can actually learn their lessons are extremely dangerous.

Is this just about being so desperate to be right that everyone else is automatically wrong? Because, frankly, that's how it sounds.

[trpguyy]

Posted: 12/13/19 at 4:43pm

“ What is there to be gained by defending this guy?“

I haven’t seen anybody defend or excuse his actions. On the contrary, some people are defending him against mischaracterizations and a social media mob which has no regard for facts.

[OhBoy17]

Posted: 12/13/19 at 4:46pm

I haven’t seen anybody defend or excuse his actions. On the contrary, some people are defending him against mischaracterizations and a social media mob which has no regard for facts."

Exactly. This. All the way this.