Amateur production of CABARET (Is this allowed?) — Page 4

I don't steal music, thank you. I just don't think its fair that you are rude to someone for generalizing when you yourself do it to, but just write it off as sarcasm. Maybe the other poster was being sarcastic as well.

I don't feel I owe you any respect, because I'm not recieving any in return from you; especially just because of an amount of posts. There are other "Broadway Legends" here who are respect others (like the user who posted this thread). I'm not sure why you have to rude.

I enjoy Broadwayworld, and I'm certainly not a newbie to theater. I don't understand why you feel a sense of entitlement just because you've posted here since 2004. That doesn't make you any more knowledgeable than someone who just joins today. You should probably get off your high horse and realize that being a "Broadway Legend" doesn't say anything about you except that you have the time to post here frequently.

And that's all I'm going to post about this, so other posters can discuss on topic.

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Updated On: 12/26/08 at 10:02 PM

I never said that.

I just said you might want to get used to the way things work around here before you start whining.

That's all.

Go on with your lives.

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geez who even cares,

you people claim to love theater so much just go and enjoy the show.....stop freakin dissecting things into a million peices

jeez

you all are on soapboxes

Can't directors come up with there own vision for a show instead of steeling someone elses. Sometimes you can license a choreography guide book which is put together by
the original choreographer but than is only avaliable for very few shows.

Updated On: 12/27/08 at 10:56 AM

And there you go again...

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qolbinau,

I guess you just don't want to learn...

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I never said to ignore them.

Nice way to twist my words around.

I just said you need to know how this board works before you start bitching at people that have been here for years.


But I'm glad you understand your arrogance.

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It's not just the issue about giving credit or not, but the 'copying' of 'intellectual property' (sets, costumes, choreography etc..) without having the licence or permission to do so..

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That's the wrong attitude! I rather them learn how to analyze a script and come up with a vision of their own.

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I really don't think it's hurting anyone that this was done, especially by an amateur or community theater. It happens all the time. I know of a company that did "bare" before the performance rights were released and got around it by saying that they were doing a concert of a few songs when, in reality, they only cut the songs "Spring" and put on a full production...

Amateur theater usually doesn't get any kind of recognition for this sort of thing, nor do they usually make any money, especially if it's a community theater type deal. It may not be truthful to the set designers, choreographers, director, etc., but I highly doubt they're going to take personal offense if Acme Theater in Nowhere, Wisconsin decides to rip off the Broadway revival of Cabaret. I'd personally rather see that than some half-wit director give his/her interpretation of the show. It usually comes out a mess anyway.

I have been lurking around this thread for a few days and just wanted to throw in my two cents.

I worked with this director on an amateur production of Seussical and the way that it was directed was to wheel in a television, put in the bootleg, watch, and go from there. Let us discuss the legality of that!

He probably hasn't been stopped for the same reason a lot of productions like that haven't been stopped...they're not making much of a profit, they're not getting any kind of accolades or recognition on a large scale, and the number of productions that occur in that manner are so huge in number that it would be pointless to try to penalize one company when 12 others are probably doing the exact same thing elsewhere in the country.

If MTI or whatever company were to track down and punish every company that tried to get away with doing a show without rights/doing an unlicensed revival rip-off, they'd have no time to do anything else.

Hell, some kids at my college did the "revival" of Cabaret...they advertised it as a "student workshop" and got away with it scott-free.

Updated On: 12/27/08 at 11:10 PM

"What?!

Not hurting anyone?

When they steal an entire show (bare) and 'get around it' by lying?

You are taking money away from the people who spent years writing and producing it. "

They aren't taking money away - this is a similar argument developers or corporations use against piracy; say they claim $2 million in loss because they have counted X amount of illegal downloads. The thing is they haven't lost it, because it assumes that every person pirating would have bought it otherwise.

Would the amateur group have paid for appropriate use or approval of their production if they couldn't do it illegally? Well I would think if they were going to, they would have.

Yes, it doesn't change that what they did was wrong, but it is hard to clearly spell in black and white terms that people have been 'hurt'/that revenue has been lost.

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