BONNIE AND CLYDE only selling tickets until Dec. 30...- Page 17

[bobbybaby85]

Posted: 12/28/11 at 5:48pm

Updated On: 2/20/18 at 05:48 PM

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 12/28/11 at 6:03pm

He's an artist, and art is a business. He's the primary business person. And he can either hire people to take care of his product or he can take care of it himself.

LOL So, you're not very familiar with how musicals are produced, are you? Composers are not the primary business person in a Broadway production nor do they hire or fire the creative team. There is often a collaborative effort involved, but if you think the composer calls the shots, you should have a quick talk with Stephen Schwartz about Pippin someday.

The only people who seem to want to see his work on Broadway are a handful of delusional people on these message boards and the imaginary "packed houses" that they, personally, are the only ones with recollections of.

That's pretty much all you need to post. There is no credibility in anything you have to say after that.

[bobbybaby85]

Posted: 12/28/11 at 6:20pm

Updated On: 2/20/18 at 06:20 PM

[MillieDillmount]

Posted: 12/28/11 at 6:23pm

Fosse76 - I'm glad you posted the facts, did you know that before you saw the show, or did you do research after you saw it? I did - I became very interested in these four characters after I saw the show and I did some research. I think Bonnie, Clyde, Buck and Blanche have a very interesting story.

Was it when Clyde was in prison he had an inmate cut off two of his toes so he could leave? The more research I did, the more I enjoyed the show. Yes, I noticed a lot of facts that have been fudged some, mostly just condensing of dates / events. But one thing I read that I thought was neat in the show - Bonnie loved to wear reds - and most of Bonnie's costumes were a shade of red. I think the little details like that added to it.

For what it's worth, I loved this show - I saw it seven times, I would have gone more if I didn't have to come home from school for Christmas break. To me this show is so unlike anything I've ever seen before. I love how this story was told - how all of the elements came together to create this suspenseful atmosphere. I love the use of music to heighten the emotions that the characters are feeling (the heartbeat when Clyde is arrested during God's Arms Are Always Open, when Bonnie is smuggling the gun in prison). I love the use of lighting in several scenes (how the car headlight was used as a spotlight in How 'Bout A Dance, the shadow when Clyde is killing the inmate, the shadows in the second act when Bonnie sees her mamma for the last time - I love how they are in the shadow when they first walk on stage.) I also love how the scenes intertwined - I thought it kept the pacing up. I thought it was really effective during This World Will Remember Us for the act one closer. And I just love the songs, I really enjoy all of them, I think they are beautiful. Although none of the actors are big names, they aren't lacking in talent! I had no idea who Melissa van der Schyff was before I saw this show, but she has quickly become a favorite performer of mine. I've never seen a performance like hers before, she has the comic timing in the lighter scenes, and she tore out my heart every time I saw the show during the second act. And her voice is just gorgeous. Also, Laura Osnes, Jeremy Jordan and Claybourne Elder were just as impressive. I thought these four actors played very well off each other, the two couples had great chemistry with each other.

I don't think this show should be closing on Friday, but I am just grateful I was lucky enough to see this show seven times, and that I discovered the magic of the show. This show has impacted me in a way that no other show has before. It has re-inspired me to create theatre, and to create something as moving as this show was to me. I love how this show was heartbreaking, chilling and beautiful all at the same time. Some of the imagery of the scenes will stick with me for a while.

I personally don't understand the hate for this show. I don't mind if you didn't love this show, I understand that everyone has their own taste in shows. I've seen a few shows that most people rave about that I didn't enjoy. I'm just curious to hear what people didn't like about it. I thought it was easy to feel for the characters, esp when Bonnie was crying during Dyin' Ain't So Bad, and when Blanche was on the ground crying when Buck dies.

[somethingwicked]

Posted: 12/28/11 at 6:25pm

Everyone can argue until the cows come home over Wildhorn's awareness of his ineptitude, but the fact remains that he likely won't have a show on Broadway again over the course of his lifetime. His problem is consistently the same- you can take any of the songs in any of his shows out of context and put them virtually anywhere. They're almost never plot specific. It's as if he just "writes" his scores by recycling material out of a massive trunk, hoping his orchestrators will do their best to fit them into the musical world of the pieces they're placed in. For example, "You Love Who You Love" from BONNIE & CLYDE could easily go into the same slot as "In His Eyes" from JEKYLL & HYDE, and vice versa. The only difference in the songs is the way they sound in relation to the particular shows they come from, and that's work done by their orchestrators. They're practically staged exactly the same too!

In terms of this most recent debacle, you know things are bad when the lead producers of your show are saying to the press that people were quick to invest in it because "it doesn't sound like a Wildhorn show at all," but if an "anti-Wildhorn" Wildhorn show will flop this disastrously, nothing the man touches will ever turn a profit. Ever. WONDERLAND was shut the lid on the coffin of Frank's career on Broadway, and BONNIE & CLYDE has put the nail in it.

Updated On: 12/28/11 at 06:25 PM

[PopAria]

Posted: 12/28/11 at 7:07pm

Obviously the producers weren't quick enough to invest.... I heard one of them couldn't raise enough money to keep it open.

And as for wildhorn not producing more theatre, please stop talking out of your asses, Jekyll & Hyde is being revived soon.

And I'm sure he'll have something new out in the next 10 years. You can't keep someone who has had 4 broadway shows in new York away from his craft.

I hated wonderland and loved Bonnie & Clyde and all I know of Jekyll n Hyde is that I love the score. I'm not a fanatic but Im not a hater.

[philly03]

Posted: 12/28/11 at 7:10pm

HA - I didn't read through all the posts, but I have to say anyone who says Frank Wildhorn is a terrible business person.. They themselves are TERRIBLE business people.

Are you forgetting that his "bad" musicals keep getting produced on Broadway after all of this!? Ask many people and they will tell you Frank is the best sales person on Broadway!

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 12/28/11 at 7:16pm

This thread (like all Wildhorn threads) is hilarious.

Oh, and it's exactly the same as all of the others.

[PlayItAgain]

Posted: 12/28/11 at 7:18pm

Anyone know what rush has been like the last few days? if I get there at 7 tomorrow will I be fine?

[SamIAm2]

Posted: 12/28/11 at 7:19pm

Here, here, Millie! Beautifully expressed.

[blaxx]

Posted: 12/28/11 at 7:20pm

Ask many people and they will tell you Frank is the best sales person on Broadway!

Absolutely. It would really take a special talent to convince anyone to have his shows produced on Broadway.

I'm sorry Bonnie & Clyde has to close, but I won't miss the posts related to the show. They're headache inducing.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 12/28/11 at 7:26pm

I tried rush this morning and was told they're not going to be doing it anymore for the run of the show since it's selling so well (which I guess is a good thing for them)

[PlayItAgain]

Posted: 12/28/11 at 7:34pm

GTFO!!!!!!

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 12/28/11 at 7:36pm

Gigantic Trannies Fornicate Ostensibly?

[Pauly3]

Posted: 12/28/11 at 7:40pm

-- His work, on Broadway, is known as trash. This is a widely known fact. No one in NY wants to see it, audiences and critics alike. The only people who seem to want to see his work on Broadway are a handful of delusional people on these message boards and the imaginary "packed houses" that they, personally, are the only ones with recollections of. Notice how people who like the show say it was sold out with standing ovations and blah, blah, blah, and people who just didn't like it say there were like 50/60 people in balcony? Sounds like a big case of disillusionment.

I think the king of all the disillusioned Bonnie and Clyde fans is Wildhorn himself. The one who keeps having Broadway dreams but no regard for the people (the general Broadway theatre going public) want. --


It's comments like these that bring about the types of retorts haters seam to hate (you know, claims of unfairness and such). Because Wildhorn's shows have not made money on Broadway doesn't make them trash. Your opinion, fine - but you state it as fact. There are a whole lot of circumstances that go into making a show a success, and the fact Wildhorn has made it to Broadway as many times as he has is indicative of many someones wanting to see/hear his stuff. He has had success outside of Broadway, so what's delusional about thinking Broadway will one day accept the same (when the right team and the right timing are in place)?

The man has made a living because people buy his stuff. Much of his music made it to the "show" in NY (an uphill battle by itself), some of it stayed around awhile (J&H, Scarlet Pimpernel), but none of those shows made money while there. To call it all trash and claim it as widely known fact is rediculous. To say no one wants to see his stuff is rediculous. To say there are only a handful of supporters and that they are delusional is just mean (and rediculous).

MillieDillmount expressed, very nicely, how B&C moved her. Is she delusional? Maybe a bit sappy, but what's wrong with that? You don't like the show (or Wildhorn). That's more than fine. but why go out of your way to tell people who do like the show (and/or Wildhorn) their opinions are wrong? And do it in such a manner that is mean-spirited?

A small handful of people have claimed packed houses, but were you at the same performances as they? You call them delusional but don't have any real basis. You will claim "scoreboard" or "box office", but you still don't know for a fact the houses on those occasions were not packed. When I saw the show, I would call the house packed. I don't know what the numbers were, nor could I see into the mezzanine - and yes I did see 2 or 3 individual empty seats - but using the term packed isn't wholly out of line. It certainly doesn't make me delusional. For the record, the person who said there were 50/60 people in the balcony LIKED the show.

Your comments aren't exactly "fair", and the belief that some critics have similar thought patterns bring speculation they aren't being entirely fair in their reviews either. B&C fans enjoyed the show, were moved by it, are sorry to see it go, and wished it a better run. There's nothing wrong with this (is there?). An extremely small minority flat out blamed critics for the failure of the show to sell tickets. Actually, I'm not sure anyone went that far. A few more expressed sadness and/or anger at the critics (for a variety of reasons). Many others....probably most others simply enjoyed the show and expressed as much. To call or insinuate all B&C (or Wildhorn) fans as delusional is unfair.

[PlayItAgain]

Posted: 12/28/11 at 7:41pm

(rolls eyes) you know what I ment, anyone have a better code then broadway box or playbill right now cheapest I can get is the last night rear mezz for 65 bucks...

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 12/28/11 at 7:43pm

Gerbils Teaching French Overseas?

[PlayItAgain]

Posted: 12/28/11 at 7:46pm

Not funny Jordan

[broadway7117]

Posted: 12/28/11 at 7:49pm

He'll be back on broadway absolutely.



Updated On: 4/2/13 at 07:49 PM

[SamIAm2]

Posted: 12/28/11 at 7:49pm

"I'm sorry Bonnie & Clyde has to close, but I won't miss the posts related to the show. They're headache inducing."

Why torture yourself then, blaxx? Stop reading the B&C threads. For those of us who love the show, writing about the travesty that we believe the show's closing to be is about all the consolation left to us. At least until the cast recording comes out. So, most likely, this is not going to end anytime soon. Give all concerned peace by simply ignoring us. (I hope it comes through that I mean this in the kindest way possible.)

[philly03]

Posted: 12/28/11 at 7:57pm

I mean.. I don't know how soon he'll be back (minus the J&H revival)... Losing $20 MIL over 3 shows is a bit different than $22 MIL over 2 shows which played no more than 75 performances together!

[fingerlakessinger]

Posted: 12/28/11 at 8:00pm

Doesn't he have several other shows in the making as it is? One of them is bound to make it to Broadway.
I think if he is going to do that though, he should make it a "limited engagement" type deal and if it catches fire, just extend the run.

[denali.fire]

Posted: 12/28/11 at 8:02pm

The most damning and heinous statement I have ever read on these threads is the analogy between Wildhorn and Dominoes pizza. I lived in MI for 8 years and they thought Dominoes was the best thing to hit the state since the Tigers. It was the cats meow and I thought it was the rat's meow at best. I took one bite of it on one occasion to be sociable...'nuff said.

But then again they thought the best seafood was....well let's just say they "sea food differently."

[denali.fire]

Posted: 12/28/11 at 8:02pm

The most damning and heinous statement I have ever read on these threads is the analogy between Wildhorn and Dominoes pizza. I lived in MI for 8 years and they thought Dominoes was the best thing to hit the state since the Tigers. It was the cats meow and I thought it was the rat's meow at best. I took one bite of it on one occasion to be sociable...'nuff said.

But then again they thought the best seafood was....well let's just say they "sea food differently."

[bobbybaby85]

Posted: 12/28/11 at 10:19pm

Updated On: 2/20/18 at 10:19 PM