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[blaxx]

Posted: 12/27/11 at 4:02pm

If you like that, fine, but please leave off with the conspiricy theories and whines about how the show didn't get a fair deal. It failed because not enough people wanted to see it.

Are you really trying to imply that the Evil League of Critics Against Wildhorn didn't close this show? Shame on you! It is obvious that Wildhorn only writes masterpieces and critics are nothing but jealous of his genius.

I bet that when he opens his brilliant new musical on Broadway in six months they will trash it too!

[ghostlight2]

Posted: 12/27/11 at 4:07pm

I'll take that bet. blaxx. Cocktail at Angus'?

[blaxx]

Posted: 12/27/11 at 4:09pm

Anytime, love.

[ghostlight2]

Posted: 12/27/11 at 4:13pm

Until then, blaxx...

[CurtainPullDowner]

Posted: 12/27/11 at 4:33pm

"The storytelling of how Clyde is treated in prison was really good".
Couldn't disagree more, we see him in prison (he's been before as a teen so he must be familiar with prison "affairs"), we are told he's someone's bitch, we never see the guy (must be a huge dude cause Clyde's in amazing shape) then Clyde gets a weapon beats a pole and somehow escapes.
That's pretty bad storytelling, and I believe except for a line his mother says, it's never mentioned again.

Maybe if we saw an iota of the brutality he may have suffered we would feel something for him, but personally I felt nothing.

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 12/27/11 at 4:33pm

I am a Wildhorn fan but even I must admit I doubt he will ever show up on Broadway again. The only way anyone invests in his shows in NY is for a tax write off

I know this will make Blaxx ecstatic . Jeremy Jordan on NY 1 stated he did not know why Frank had become the critics whipping boy. Neither do I. I guess the only one who cannot be allowed to write a "power ballad" (whatever the hell that means) is Frank. All other composers can write them to their hearts content.Much of his music is a hell of a lot more listenable to other composers currently or in the past on the great white way.

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[broadwayfever]

Posted: 12/27/11 at 4:37pm

Just saw the show for the 4th time...I still don't get how people can be bored at this show. Next to BOM, this is my favorite show on Broadway. Follies...now that's a boring show. Anyways, I can hardly wait for the cast recording so I can upload it to my iPhone....it's an amazing score.

[ghostlight2]

Posted: 12/27/11 at 4:39pm

I'm that odd man out who doesn't like Wildhorn, but still thinks the critics are out for him. This is not to say I think his work is good - I don't - but the critics start sharpening their quills before they've heard a note.

He'll be back. You can cut his head off and fill his mouth with garlic, but trust me - he'll be back. His kind always does well.

[philly03]

Posted: 12/27/11 at 4:43pm

I also think he'll be back .. eventually. Probably another couple of years, maybe not. He's got a second try-out of "Zelda" (aka Waiting for the Moon) coming up in North Carolina at the end of 2012, and Jekyll & HYDE's first revival is aiming up soon .

[SamIAm2]

Posted: 12/27/11 at 4:51pm

Although I love the show and am appalled by its early closing, I do appreciate the critical comments by those who invested time and money to see the show and then took the trouble to write well thought out critiques. It's so interesting to me how people experience events differently and find it fun to try to identify with their perspectives. I don't see berating those who have the "gall" to feel differently about an artistic work than I do. I live about 250 miles out of NYC but am hoping to be able to get in to see B&C's final performance Friday. Can't wait for the cast album.

[Pauly3]

Posted: 12/27/11 at 4:51pm

-- Pauly, all due respect, but you joined here a few weeks ago and write about almost nothing but Bonnie and Clyde. If you aren't an intern with the Shuberts, Richards, or Serino, I'd be surprised.

The show is just a simple-minded bore, folks, vastly inferior to any version of the tale ever told before. It's the Lifetime or Hallmark Channel of Broadway.

If you like that, fine, but please leave off with the conspiricy theories and whines about how the show didn't get a fair deal. It failed because not enough people wanted to see it. --


Newintown, you are correct that I joined only weeks ago. But I have participated in more than just B&C threads. But that really doesn't matter...I like B&C, so what?

I don't even know what Shuberts, Richards, or Serino are, so color yourself surprised.

Your last comment isn't called for here. I, in no way, am claiming a conspiracy theory or doing any whining. You may have seen it that way in my previous comments (in another thread), but there is no room to interpret my remarks today as either of those things. So your response to my comments here are unnecessary.

You obviously dislike B&C as much (more likely more) than I like the show. What I just can't grasp is why you continually talk about the show and restate your dislikes. I'm not saying you can't (please don't go mis-interpreting me again). This goes for people like Blaxx and others too. You don't like the show, and you don't share the various opinions of the "nut cases" who do. Why do you still read these threads - and more importantly, why take the time to comment about a show you hold such disdain for?

[PitPro2004]

Posted: 12/27/11 at 4:53pm

"Maybe if we saw an iota of the brutality he may have suffered we would feel
something for him, but personally I felt nothing."

We must have seen a different show...

In the first act, second time Clyde is imprisoned, wearing prison blues, he is seen writhing on the floor crying out that he can't take it anymore. When Jeremy slowly turns to expose his face to the audience, he's bloodied and bruised so bad that I could barely make out a human face. Very graphic. I feel it's at this point that Clyde became the criminal, more so than just a young scofflaw who robbed and got into juvenile brushes with the law. If it was implied that he was raped in jail before this moment, then I will have to take your word for it, I must have missed that reference.

I would agree that the book does not offer much sympathy for the two of them, and honestly, I didn't want to feel sorry for them, they sowed the seeds they later reaped. However, I *did* enjoy the show for the performances which were wonderful. Will definitely check out Laura and Jeremy in their future endeavors. That alone, was worth the price of admission, along with Melissa Van Der Schyff.

[Pauly3]

Posted: 12/27/11 at 4:59pm

PitPro, well said! I saw the show you saw...

[blaxx]

Posted: 12/27/11 at 5:07pm

I know this will make Blaxx ecstatic . Jeremy Jordan on NY 1 stated he did not know why Frank had become the critics whipping boy. Neither do I. I guess the only one who cannot be allowed to write a "power ballad" (whatever the hell that means) is Frank.

Even if I still consider Jekyll & Hyde one of the worst shows I've seen on Broadway, I don't wish him bad. But if I must have to repeat myself for the nth time, there's seems to be a case of really bad memory around BWW.

As far as I remember, there was little disagreement that his past few shows were REALLY bad, and very few would actually disagree with the critics, am I wrong here? Or was there unanimous praise for Civil War, Dracula, Wonderland, etc.? No, there wasn't. In fact, the trashing and bashing around here was rarely questioned.

Therefore, the critics aren't wrong here. He is like a student who had continously gotten well deserved F's. Suddenly, he shows improvement (and unanimously the reviews emphasize this improvement) and he gets a C-. He deserves that C-. But no! What posters around here wanted, was for them to go from an F to an A+. Well, sorry, but Bonnie & Clyde is not an A+ show.

Of course, elevating the man who gave us all a headache with his past few shows into martyrdom seems much more exciting, I'm sure.

But I'll only believe the critics "have it in" for a composer who continously keeps giving us amazing work to only get trashed, and not for the one who gave us some god awful material and just recently happened to show improvement.

If his next few shows are genius and the critics won't acknowledge the fact, I'd be more skeptical. But this is not the case so far, I actually sat through his crappy shows and never disagreed with the reviewers. Try to call vendetta on more deserving artists.

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 12/27/11 at 5:15pm

You hate his music so why would you disagree with the reviewers. Bigger question is why you would even bother to go. You are entitled to your opinion of J/H & all his other musicals. Just realize others with differeing opinions have a right to their opinions but the Wildhorn haters have won the day. Where will they turn their venom next?

I will see a Wildhorn show any day over La Chuisa or Lippa or a few others I will not name.

[philly03]

Posted: 12/27/11 at 5:16pm

To be fair though, he does not write the book and generally does not write the lyrics. The Civil War was an interesting concept that was misguided (though say what you want about the clear style of music) (The tour was much better received). DRACULA was better received in Europe as well.

Something like WONDERLAND wasn't really his fault - he kept producing song after song after song to a bad book, to a then terrible book. Perhaps his poor choice in collaborators? Sure.

I'm also surprised at the sudden turn around of people on this board who were eager to trash something like WONDERLAND before a first preview had even opened (and even with the knowledge brand new ghost writers were working on the show).

[SamIAm2]

Posted: 12/27/11 at 5:31pm

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[CurtainPullDowner]

Posted: 12/27/11 at 5:51pm

I believe Frank will return to Broadway, he seems to like the punishment. But I think it will be a few seasons away. WONDERLAND and B&C did not get raves out of town and they still made the big move.

Philly, do you think it will be harder now to revive J&H with these 2 failures so recent?

[blaxx]

Posted: 12/27/11 at 6:10pm

You hate his music so why would you disagree with the reviewers. Bigger question is why you would even bother to go. You are entitled to your opinion of J/H & all his other musicals. Just realize others with differeing opinions have a right to their opinions but the Wildhorn haters have won the day. Where will they turn their venom next?

I will see a Wildhorn show any day over La Chuisa or Lippa or a few others I will not name.

First, I never said I hated his music. You're missing the point. If you love his shows, that is perfect. I have my fair share of flops I adore. But the double standards here are laughable.

Why didn't anyone claim the critics had it in for Schwartz and Wicked? Because even if the critics disagreed, it became a mega hit. In BWW, Wicked is often brought up as the example of critics being powerless, decaying, obsolete, etc.

But, wow! We can suddenly claim these defenseless creatures are responsible for Bonnie & Clyde's fate? These critics sure have the ability to conveniently regain amazing powers and fast!

What must really burn inside is that modern Broadway audiences don't care much for his shows either. Maybe in the future they will be the hottest ticket in town, they certainly are not now. You really can't put on all blame on the reviews and expect to be taken seriously.

There's no "Wildhorn haters" for the sake of it. Before Bonnie & Clyde, the Broadway productions of his shows gave us little to like. It's not that we are envious of his good looks.

And philly03, I agree he's not the only one to blame. But he certainly does not have the best record in trusting his material to the right people.

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[philly03]

Posted: 12/27/11 at 6:57pm

Yes I do think we will still see Jekyll & HYDE back on Broadway in a few years.. 4 year run, star-casting, a great score and very familiar title. I do think it will do well. (It will also be different, of course than last appeared on B'way)

[ljay889]

Posted: 12/27/11 at 7:12pm

I do think it will do well.

Philly, you also said this about WONDERLAND and BONNIE AND CLYDE.....

[philly03]

Posted: 12/27/11 at 7:16pm

I said that about WONDERLAND before it was entirely re-written 6 weeks before first preview, as well as if you read my review of the Tampa production this time last year I said it wasn't ready! I gave up on it early in previews, if you stalk the board enough.

Bonnie & Clyde.. I've never really been a cheerleader for, minus the score - sorry! (Which I disagreed with many on here who claimed it wasn't "Wildhorn-esque".. because it is, obviously).

[dramamama611]

Posted: 12/27/11 at 11:05pm

WHO roots for a criminal to escape jail? WHY would we want to be sympathetic towards these people? They all CHOSE their lifestyle -- all to find fame and fortune. They all knew what their fate would likely be, and yet they continued on thier path. There was NOTHING brought into the story (real or fiction) that changed that. I don't wish rape on any human being, but that scene in the prison was LUDICOUS. (I'm not talking whether or not it is factual.)

How can you create a successful plot with no characters for which to have empathy? You can't. I didn't care about one single character or where their journey ended. I began to root for the cops to finally kill them to put me out of misery.

Heck, the person sitting next to me was the parent of someone involved with the show. Even THAT person couldn't find anything positive to talk about at intemission, and remarked to me: well, now we know why it is closing. (I won't disclose any other info in case the same info was not presented to that person.)

[Wishing Only Wounds]

Posted: 12/27/11 at 11:08pm

To be honest, I didn't really feel that much for Clyde. Although I have to agree with those who said the prison scene where he's crying on the floor was a strong point.

But I was rooting for Bonnie after the first few scenes, I wanted her to become famous... and I also felt devastated for Blanche at the end.

[dramamama611]

Posted: 12/27/11 at 11:17pm

She chose a lifestyle she was morally opposed to. One she fought hard to keep her husband from -- no sympathy from me.

Note: I am not faulting the actors, I thought there were admirable performances, but the material.