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check out the Daily News article where a reporter who attended proceedings, talked about how this case was one sided from the beginning. I also remember reading from a couple of sources that the "other" girl was nothing more than a third malicious party trying to colaborate with the accuser. The "other" girl in mention (and her Mom, even) was willing to go testify in James' favor.
Gee, I guess I'm not that bad at reasearching, after all

How about some links to these articles?

Do you have any children?

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Many innocent people have spent time in jail. Do you think Martha Stewart is a criminal?
Sueleen...I'm going to give it a shot to the links, hope it works...:) --I was referring to the comment by "kentd" in the NYDN...





http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2008/02/29/2008-02-29_broadways_beast_sentenced_for_molestatio.html

Updated On: 7/3/08 at 01:17 AM

Um, yes, Martha Stewart has a CRIMINAL RECORD. You really are just pulling our legs, aren't you?

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I know they gave her a "criminal" record...my point was that she is no more a real criminal than anyone on the street. Does she pose a threat to you, really? Actually, there's probably more real criminals out there roaming the streets, when people like Martha, etc...otherwise upstanding citizens, get nailed for framing situations.
Sueleen, I'm still getting those links...hang on.

Check out comments #21, 23, 24, 26, 27


http://glosslip.com/2008/03/06/actor-and-scientology-dabbler-james-barbour-pleads-guilty-to-sexual-crimes-with-a-minor/

Updated On: 7/3/08 at 01:34 AM

No. That's the part YOU choose to read. Remember, that is the "prosecutor" talking, right? What, honestly, do you think she is going to say to make her case...? That she fought to keep evidence supporting Barbour, and exposing her client as something different from what was known, out of court that day?

I understand the law, but I also understand how the law can be twisted, and unfortunately have seen it first hand.

You wanted some links, and I provided them. Like I said, the NY press has been against Barbour from the start, making him look like a monster, which he is not. Would you want an article on YOUR case, defaming you, prior to even having your day in court?
I would think not.
To be honest, I really think all this is getting out of hand, as I mentioned before, just like the casting rumors.
I just have never been a supporter of the "mass frenzy", or "mass mentality", and believe in fairness, forgiveness, and understand that otherwise good people will screw up sometime in their lives. Some, we know about, some are never found out...

"Does she pose a threat to you, really?"

Martha might not, but if you're an underage female, you could certainly make the case that Barbour poses a threat to you.

Well, adamgreer, then I would also make the case for the fact that, as a 15 or whatever it is that the "legal" age is, what is it your business to accept a proposal from a man twice your age, especially knowing it would put him in a serious heap of trouble? You are a guy, right? As a woman, once a girl, I can tell you that, if one is not active sexually, seeking or accepting a situation like this is so foreign, that it would never happen. AND, especially if my parents would be around me (not to mention MY BF!), and I would never be allowed to travel ALONE to NYC to make myself even MORE available!

DAME...be careful what you do inside a theater nowdays, because in this age of terrorism, instead of simply asking you to leave the premises, they might just haul you off to jail or taser gun you down =O So I would opt for your first choice of not going to see the show...

I think I am the one who is going to start asking "how old are you?" now, Eris, because your last post sounded like a taunting 13 year old...
And..."So it's all a conspiracy constructed by Barbour nemesisses?"...you don't know how near the truth you might be here, actually. Just remember, if your lot in life is ever down, that every enemy YOU might have, will happily take the opportunity to bring you down, even lower, and viciously mud your name beyond recognition. Hope it never happens to you, but something to consider.
BTW, I want you to know that I used to read all your posts with a lot of respect, but, now, like someone said recently, they will be taken "with a grain of salt".

...actually, more disturbing to me is that you find Martha frightening...a woman who teaches you how to fold pillowcases...? Wow... =I

Updated On: 7/4/08 at 05:53 AM

bwaybabe2: Again, what you have described is typical of many sexual abuse cases. I know many abuse cases where the mother has sided with the perpetrator. It's also common for victims to recant (with children, only 11% disclose without recanting or denying) and change their mind about testifying against the perpetrator. Nothing you have pointed out indicates without a doubt that the girl could have been lying.

I'll remind everyone that false reports of sexual abuse happen about 1% of the time. Statistically, it is unlikely that the girl just made it all up. And, most importantly, Barbour confessed to it.

And, yes, he got a misdemeanor, but look up charges for sex-related crimes. Sexual contact without consent should have been a felony. He only got a lesser charge because he plea bargained.

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Updated On: 7/4/08 at 01:24 PM

"BTW, I want you to know that I used to read all your posts with a lot of respect, but, now, like someone said recently, they will be taken "with a grain of salt"."

I'm crying.

"...actually, more disturbing to me is that you find Martha frightening...a woman who teaches you how to fold pillowcases...? Wow... =I"

First off there's a lot more to her than that. Secondly, it was a joke.

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bwaybabe2

I will go see the show because I usually see every show, but I will have difficulty watching a Man who took advantage of his position as an actor, and a good one to boot, to be intimate with an underage girl.
I won't ever understand why people are still defending him.
He brings a bad name to any actor or any other professional working on Broadway.
He has every right to work and I have every right to find his actions disgusting.

I'm not 100% sure where you're going with the mind changing comment that the poster above me strangely quoted. You're the first person to ever, in my entire life, accuse me of following the crowd. My views are not colored by what is being said around me. Like most people I do have the ability to change my mind on certain issues.

I had the opportunity see the show in Florida and I enjoyed it immensely. I thought that Barbour did an amazing job in the role of Carton. But, as time went by, I considered what sort of impact him being cast in the Broadway production would have on the show. The more I thought about it the less I thought it was a good idea. I was especially concerned about how it would impact his fellow actors. I've stated many times and if you read my posts as closely as you've claimed you would have seen me state that I don't want additional victims. If the show closes because of Barbour the entire cast will be victims. They'll have to pay the price of losing their jobs because of the actions of someone else. That isn't fair to them. The producers would also be victims but I worry about them less since many of them do have bank accounts to fall back upon. But much of the cast and crew don't and losing a job would be rather hard for them.

Before I saw the show in Florida I had a few concerns about Barbour after hearing about the allegations. But I was able to look past it because they were simply allegations. Nothing had been proven in a court of law. I was able to take the "innocent until proven guilty" view. But then came the verdict and the probation. He's been proven guilty. And that led me to rethink things. Led me to consider what the ripple effect on his casting would be. And I no long support him being in this. I will probably go see the show but I won't rush to see it nor will I pay full price.

I'm not saying the man has no right to work but I do think it's absolutely too soon. I'm not really sure that this is the right vehicle for him right this moment. I've stated before that if the show had opened in early 2009 as was originally stated things may have been different. But less than six months after his release? I'm just not so sure about that.

Last time I checked there was nothing wrong with having a sense of ambivalence regarding a situation.

And I wouldn't put much credence in the words of the person you are quoting by saying you're going to take my posts with a "grain of salt". He likes to call me a "shill" but I really only see one "shill" in this thread and it isn't me.

Now excuse me while I go back to watching "The Amazing Story of Superman". Watching Marlon Brando mess up his lines is quite amusing.

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