Broadway Grosses: Week Ending 4/27/25- Page 2
Broadway Grosses: Week Ending 4/27/25
BorisTomashevsky
Broadway Star Joined: 4/30/22
#25Broadway Grosses: Week Ending 4/27/25
Posted: 4/29/25 at 4:49pm
I think if people have to pick between Boop, which didn’t really get raves, and any of the recent openings which pretty much all got raves, they’ll go with one of the recent openings.
#26Broadway Grosses: Week Ending 4/27/25
Posted: 4/29/25 at 5:03pm
Boop is a big show and those numbers are not at all sustainable. I can’t imagine it’ll be folding before the Tonys, but I also can’t imagine it’ll be lasting through the summer. It would need some major awards upsets.
although MHE had an incredible reversal of fortunes, it’s worth remembering that such turnarounds are really, really rare.
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Updated On: 4/29/25 at 05:03 PM
#27Broadway Grosses: Week Ending 4/27/25
Posted: 4/29/25 at 5:04pm
Sutton Ross said: "So, your example is from 11 years ago, Bridges had been running since January of the year (so months longer than the shows he mentioned), and didn't have producers with hugely deeply pockets.Many, many shows ran for months and months because of the producer's deep pockets despite the not amazing grosses. Boop and Real Women Have Curves have extremely wealthy, famousproducers and they are looking to find their audiences. They will hopefully wait longer for these shows to catch on and gain traction, like Maybe Happy Ending did. So, I think some will wait until after the actual awards but understand Jordan (that poster) has been doing this since joining this site. He is always hugely negative and I hope no one takes anything he says about shows closing at face value."
Yes, my example was a Broadway show from 11 years ago. A small show that opened a few months before Tony season ramped that was struggling to sell full price seats and announced its closing 2 days after not getting a Best Musical Nomination.. Just like Redwood possibly could (if Idina is nominated it has a chance to run the summer, if not...?). Is there an expiration on when we can use a show's success or failure on Broadway as an example? Last year, The Heart of Rock and Roll also clearly had a producer with deep pockets who kept the show running through late June after a Tony nomination shut out.. which was great for the cast and crew but terrible for the producers/investors as the grosses never picked up, even with Huey Lewis all over the NYC talk show circuit.
Sure, Boop and Real Women Have Curves are bigger productions with wealthy producers (who hopefully have huge reserves to give their fantastic productions a chance to find their audiences), but the reality is that they have SO FAR struggled to sell full priced tickets. Without a boost from the Tony nominations, they have an even steeper uphill battle, especially in a season with so many shows vying for ticket buyers. Producers with deep pockets will only float their slow for so long. I am hoping both find an audience so I can see them on my annual Theatre trip this fall (was SO happy Suffs and Water for Elephants ran through the end of last year so I could see them both!).. but I have followed the grosses long enough (25+ years at this point), and worked in the industry for 20y until a forced career shift at the pandemic, to realize that there is a higher probability that the 3 shows he mentioned will not be running in October than it is that they will still be open, something I have learned to consider more now that I live on the other side of the country and only have 1 week a year to see everything I can in NYC.
Maybe Happy Ending has succeeded in getting their Average Ticket Price up, but they are still not making the kind of money they will need to quickly make back their $18M investment. Tony recognition (and hopefully MANY wins) will help MHE that. Does anyone expect MHE to announce a closing if it doesn't win the awards many think it will? No. It has established itself as the little show that could this season, it is in a house that isn't the MOST desired by Broadway producers.. it should have a good run, either way. But Boop/Redwood/RWHC all have much steeper roads ahead (well, a tree to climb in Redwoods case..lol).
My point is that no production is going to indicate that there is any blood in the water before the nominations.. and the general ticket buying public generally won't know if a show is struggling to find a full price paying audience until a closing notice is announced.. but those of us commenting on a Broadway grosses thread, some of us who have been following Broadway grosses for decades, can usually see the unfortunate writing on the wall.
Matt Rogers
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/4/04
#28Broadway Grosses: Week Ending 4/27/25
Posted: 4/29/25 at 5:21pm
Sutton Ross said: "For those even considering seeing BOOP, CURVES, and/or REDWOOD, I'd prioritize them as soon as you can, you may only have a few weeks left. (DEAD OUTLAW is in similar territory, but they'll probably hold on until after the Tonys.)
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#29Broadway Grosses: Week Ending 4/27/25
Posted: 4/29/25 at 5:36pm
A critics pick from the Times while symbolically prestigious doesn't seem to have much weight on a show's box office. I mean it certainly didn't help Swept Away and isn't bringing in masses to Redwood.
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#30Broadway Grosses: Week Ending 4/27/25
Posted: 4/29/25 at 5:37pm
Sutton Ross said: "So, your example is from 11 years ago, Bridges had been running since January of the year (so months longer than the shows he mentioned), and didn't have producers with hugely deeply pockets.Many, many shows ran for months and months because of the producer's deep pockets despite the not amazing grosses. Boop and Real Women Have Curves have extremely wealthy, famousproducers and they are looking to find their audiences. They will hopefully wait longer for these shows to catch on and gain traction, like Maybe Happy Ending did. So, I think some will wait until after the actual awards but understand Jordan (that poster) has been doing this since joining this site. He is always hugely negative and I hope no one takes anything he says about shows closing at face value."
While it is true that Jordan is always a doomsdayer, I feel like every year people talk about shows that have producers with deep pockets that will keep it running, only for them to close sooner than people think or want to believe. Obviously there's some things at play here but if a show like Boop or RWHC underperform with Tony noms, it is very possible they will close within a month. If they do well with Tony noms, they will certainly hang on through the awards and see where things stand. We always have a few May/June casualties after the noms come out (Lempicka & Heart of R&R last year, Bad Cinderella and Dancin the year before, etc...).
chrishuyen
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/12/14
#31Broadway Grosses: Week Ending 4/27/25
Posted: 4/29/25 at 5:43pm
Not saying either of them are certain to get it, but has a show ever closed after getting a Best Musical nomination but before the actual awards ceremony? One that wasn't meant to be a limited run I mean
#32Broadway Grosses: Week Ending 4/27/25
Posted: 4/29/25 at 6:06pm
chrishuyen said: "Not saying either of them are certain to get it, but has a show ever closed after getting a Best Musical nomination but before the actual awards ceremony? One that wasn't meant to be a limited run I mean"
I think Leap of Faith fits that description.
#33Broadway Grosses: Week Ending 4/27/25
Posted: 4/29/25 at 6:06pm
chrishuyen said: "Not saying either of them are certain to get it, but has a show ever closed after getting a Best Musical nomination but before the actual awards ceremony? One that wasn't meant to be a limited run I mean"
Edited to Correct my error.. Yes, Leap of Faith seems to be the only Tony Nominated Best Musical (at least since 1980) to close between Tony Nominations and the Awards. Anything else that had been struggling and closed usually did so a week or 2 after the Tony Awards. Didn't look at Play/Play Revival or Musical Revival.
#34Broadway Grosses: Week Ending 4/27/25
Posted: 4/29/25 at 6:10pm
kdogg36 said: "chrishuyen said: "Not saying either of them are certain to get it, but has a show ever closed after getting a Best Musical nomination but before the actual awards ceremony? One that wasn't meant to be a limited run I mean"
I thinkLeap of Faithfits that description."
Oop, I totally missed Leap of Faith!
The Nominations came out on 5/1 and they closed on 5/12/2012.. But this does seem to be the only one since at laeast 1980.
Wayman_Wong
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/22/04
#35Broadway Grosses: Week Ending 4/27/25
Posted: 4/29/25 at 6:28pm
I've always thought that single Tony nomination for ''Leap of Faith'' as Best Musical, and NOTHING else, was so mean-spirited. Clearly, they were trying to avoid giving the fourth Best Musical slot to ''Bonnie & Clyde'' (which had 2 Tony nominations ); ''Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark'' (also 2 Tony nominations ), or ''Ghost: The Musical'' (3 Tony nominations). I saw the lackluster ''Leap of Faith,'' and there was no way it was any better than those others.
#36Broadway Grosses: Week Ending 4/27/25
Posted: 4/29/25 at 7:40pm
To the comment about shows having wealthy producers. This isn't the days of David Merrick, a sole producer throwing unlimited amounts of money into a production if he wants to keep it open. Productions have operating papers that are legal documents pertaining to the money raised. They have huge amounts of investors they have to be accountable too. Yes, certain shows may budget in advance for a reserve or a loan to keep it going, but at the end of the day, if a show operates at a loss for too many weeks it has to close.
Most wealthy producers understand most Broadway shows are a tax write off / business loss
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#37Broadway Grosses: Week Ending 4/27/25
Posted: 4/29/25 at 10:01pm
Wayman_Wong said: "I've always thought that single Tony nomination for ''Leap of Faith'' as Best Musical, and NOTHING else, was so mean-spirited. Clearly, they were trying to avoid giving the fourth Best Musical slot to ''Bonnie & Clyde'' (which had 2 Tony nominations ); ''Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark'' (also 2 Tony nominations ), or ''Ghost: The Musical'' (3 Tony nominations). I saw the lackluster ''Leap of Faith,'' and there was no way it was any better than those others."
Leap of Faith was bad - walked out at intermission. That nom should have been for GHOST! Terrible season for new musicals!
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#38Broadway Grosses: Week Ending 4/27/25
Posted: 4/29/25 at 10:11pm
Wayman_Wong said: "I've always thought that single Tony nomination for ''Leap of Faith'' as Best Musical, and NOTHING else, was so mean-spirited. Clearly, they were trying to avoid giving the fourth Best Musical slot to ''Bonnie & Clyde'' (which had 2 Tony nominations ); ''Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark'' (also 2 Tony nominations ), or ''Ghost: The Musical'' (3 Tony nominations). I saw the lackluster ''Leap of Faith,'' and there was no way it was any better than those others."
I agree. I think Bonnie & Clyde was a satisfying show, and Ghost had some very nice ingredients, even if the whole was much less than the sum of its parts.
#39Broadway Grosses: Week Ending 4/27/25
Posted: 4/29/25 at 10:13pm
QueenAlice said: "Most wealthy producers understand most Broadway shows are a tax write off / business loss"
It's pretty much impossible to actually make money from a tax write-off. But it can essentially function like a charitable donation, where you don't pay taxes on the money you sunk into a flop, so your contribution goes further than it otherwise would.
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