Featured Actor Joined: 10/29/22
Angel of Harlem said: "How can it be 101% capacity?"
Standing room.
“Nine months of what?” is the most blatant form of ragebait I’ve seen in a minute. No one on this board is that dense.
If you have been paying attention, then you know exactly what we have been dealing with, on a daily basis for nine months, as it pertains to the economy and society as a whole. Sit down and quit playing stupid.
I think MHE has caught a stroke of good luck that a majority of people going to see the show aren’t privy to or are indifferent to the ABF controversy, and are more interested in the show itself and its accolades. But I think the warning shot there has been fired and the casting team should be hitting the pavement now for ideas to replace Criss, Shen, and the others.
Even the final shot to the temple wasn’t enough to drive up CABARET to any meaningful surge in grosses. For it to go out like that is kind of tragic. Meanwhile, the return of Leslie Odom, Jr commanding a higher ticket price than Denzel and Jake Gyllenhaal COMBINED was not on my bingo card.
Also, again, why are people putting everything on death watch? Mincemeat is fine. It’s staying put until at least the original cast leaves. Even with the main cast taking vacations and days off, the use of their understudies has zero impact, and actually incentivizes return visits. The only one I see packing it in soon might be Hell’s Kitchen since they are about to send it out on tour and the flagship Shubert house can be freed up for a new show in the Spring
Presumably, the Mincemeat producers knew that they were not going to be getting weekly grosses of $1M with capacity of 6320 (My math says that would be an average ticket price of $158.23). Now, an average ticket price of $110.43 may be (likely is) less than anticipated, but I have no idea what they actually budgeted for.
Broadway Star Joined: 12/9/11
quizking101 said: "Also, again, why are people putting everything on death watch?
Every week they should have one positive Grosses thread and one death watch one so the Debbie Downers can all stay in one place.
Stand-by Joined: 3/12/14
GiantsInTheSky2 said: "“Nine months of what?” is the most blatant form of ragebait I’ve seen in a minute. No one on this board is that dense.
If you have been paying attention, then you know exactly what we have been dealing with, on a daily basis for nine months, as it pertains to the economy and society as a whole. Sit down and quit playing stupid."
Not ragebaiting. But if I was, it clearly worked lol relax
Happy to see Moulin Rogue back in the million dollar club. It’s great to see even with Broadway week, they did better than the last few weeks.
Stand-by Joined: 3/26/24
But Moulin is still losing money right?
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/13/22
its nice to see the market wave off the hyperdramatic response to ABF in MHE. Good for him and good for them.
PipingHotPiccolo said: "its nice to see the market wave off the hyperdramatic response to ABF in MHE. Good for him and good for them."
Eh, I don't think most of us ever thought that this controversy ever would - or maybe even ever should - take away from Andrew Barth Feldman's success in this show. Speaking for myself, I love the show and I love ABF. It's just a fact that I understand why some people were disappointed that the part wasn't cast with an Asian actor. Nothing "hyperdramatic" about that.
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/13/22
kdogg36 said: "PipingHotPiccolo said: "its nice to see the market wave off the hyperdramatic response to ABF in MHE. Good for him and good for them."
Eh, I don't think most of us ever thought that this controversy ever would - or maybe even ever should - take away from Andrew Barth Feldman's success in this show. Speaking for myself, I love the show and I love ABF. It's just a fact that I understand why some people were disappointed that the part wasn't cast with an Asian actor. Nothing "hyperdramatic" about that."
I actually agree with you---love the show, think ABF is perfect for the role, and i totally understand the disappointment. I part ways with you in thinking many of the reactions were not absolutely over the top hysterical, even if the underlying sentiment makes perfect sense to me.
And yes many were predicting the "backlash" would hurt the show- it hasnt, and it won't. Producers should feel very comfortable casting whoever they damn well please (though i hope/expect them to course correct when Criss leaves permanently next year).
PipingHotPiccolo said: "its nice to see the market wave off the hyperdramatic response to ABF in MHE. Good for him and good for them.
The star of Maybe Happy ending is Maybe Happy Ending. Criss being there doesn't matter. Andrew being there doesn't matter. The show is running with anyone in it is the thing. If there is a real star-in-the-making in that show it's Dez. But people want to see Maybe Happy Ending the cast is pretty irrelevant at this point.
Jarethan said: "Kad said: "Doomsaying is a weird hill to die on but you do you."
Based on the uptick with Odom Jr., I wonder if they will try to cast other originals after he leaves, as part of an ‘all-year long’ celebration. Odom Jr. had the more appreciated role (not by me — everyone I have seen in the role subsequent to him was just as good, if not better), but I would imagine getting two of the others, for instance Diggs and Goldsberrywould extend the price resurgence (IMO, they gavetwo of the best featured performances I have ever seen.
On another note, am I correct in interpreting a prior period post that, even if DBH does not return its investment on Broadway, it is likely to end up well in the black if the national tour(s) and subsequent regional productions, etc., are as successful as that poster suggested? If that is the case, I imagine that is how BVSC will return its investment. The grosses it has sort of settled into do not seem like they are going to return initial investment unless it runs for a long time, with ongoing good (if not great) weekly profits.
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Is Odom Jr. really that big of a draw to drive up ticket sales??? In my opinion, no. I think the name Hamilton has a bigger draw. People want to see the show, not necessarily the actors in it
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/26/16
CoffeeBreak said: "The star of Maybe Happy ending is Maybe Happy Ending. Criss being there doesn't matter. Andrew being there doesn't matter. The show is running with anyone in it is the thing. If there is a real star-in-the-making in that show it's Dez. But people want to see Maybe Happy Ending the cast is pretty irrelevant at this point.
Maybe Happy Ending is that underrated thing, a well-crafted, mainstream Broadway musical. It can thrive on its own merits. I have expressed my own opinions about the casting decision, but I never thought it would do much damage to the show. I am curious how the producers handle future casting choices, and my strong impression is that’s what the protests were about.
Stand-by Joined: 3/17/09
DrMonicaDeMoneco said: "Jarethan said: "Kad said: "Doomsaying is a weird hill to die on but you do you."
Based on the uptick with Odom Jr., I wonder if they will try to cast other originals after he leaves, as part of an ‘all-year long’ celebration. Odom Jr. had the more appreciated role (not by me — everyone I have seen in the role subsequent to him was just as good, if not better), but I would imagine getting two of the others, for instance Diggs and Goldsberrywould extend the price resurgence (IMO, they gavetwo of the best featured performances I have ever seen.
On another note, am I correct in interpreting a prior period post that, even if DBH does not return its investment on Broadway, it is likely to end up well in the black if the national tour(s) and subsequent regional productions, etc., are as successful as that poster suggested? If that is the case, I imagine that is how BVSC will return its investment. The grosses it has sort of settled into do not seem like they are going to return initial investment unless it runs for a long time, with ongoing good (if not great) weekly profits.
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Is Odom Jr. really that big of a draw to drive up ticket sales??? In my opinion, no. I think the name Hamilton has a bigger draw. People want to see the show, not necessarily the actors in it"
Aside from some availability in the $1k range, his entire run is sold out.
He is absolutely selling tickets.
DrMonicaDeMoneco said: "
Is Odom Jr. really that big of a draw to drive up ticket sales??? In my opinion, no. I think the name Hamilton has a bigger draw. People want to see the show, not necessarily the actors in it"
That’s certainly your opinion, but the numbers do not lie. Considering the last time they posted a gross over $3M was Thanksgiving 2021, it’s safe to say that Odom Jr.’s return is an EVENT, especially considering he telegraphed having moved beyond the role in the past. In the intervening 10 years, he’s also gone on to pick up two Oscar noms, two Golden Globe noms, three Emmy noms, two Grammy noms, and two more Tony noms. The man is an unstoppable force.
What’s great about Leslie is that he has parlayed his success into all of these different mediums and passion projects. One example is Purlie Victorious - he had been courted to do the musical version, but instead pushed to do the original play because he revered Ossie Davis and his original language (which the musical is lacking). Even though it wasn’t a runaway success on Broadway, it still payed dividends in that it was able to help Kara Young FINALLY get her first Tony, as well as a recording of the performance by PBS for posterity, so now the show has an expanded audience and eternal life.
“Is Odom Jr. really that big of a draw to drive up ticket sales??? In my opinion, no.”
I think I speak for everyone when I ask, what exactly formed this thought? Since the data proves otherwise and all.
Ok, so you're Leslie Odom Jr.
GiantsInTheSky2 said: "“Is Odom Jr. really that big of a draw to drive up ticket sales??? In my opinion, no.”
I think I speak for everyone when I ask, what exactly formed this thought? Since the data proves otherwise and all."
Well, I stand corrected! Anyone have $1000 I can borrow?
Featured Actor Joined: 12/3/15
Curious if Leslie Odom Jr. is the draw, or is Lesli Odom Jr. BACK IN HAMILTON the draw?
If he steps into another show, will there be a fan base that follows?
Wished we could have gotten him opposite Adrienne Warren in the Last Five Years revival.
Stand-by Joined: 3/17/09
GiantsInTheSky2 said: "“Is Odom Jr. really that big of a draw to drive up ticket sales??? In my opinion, no.”
I think I speak for everyone when I ask, what exactly formed this thought? Since the data proves otherwise and all."
I think I speak for everyone when I say there’s a gentler way to get your points across. 🙄
Stand-by Joined: 3/17/09
Observation said: "Curious if Leslie Odom Jr. is thedraw, or is Lesli Odom Jr. BACK IN HAMILTON the draw?
If he steps into another show, will there be a fan base that follows?
Wished we could have gotten him oppositeAdrienne Warren in the Last Five Years revival."
Definitely feels like the latter, considering reasonably-priced PURLIE tickets were easy to come by for the entire run.
When it was announced Leslie was doing the play version of PV instead of the musical, the consensus was mostly confusion because most assumed he would automatically do a musical as his big Broadway return. The play also dealt with some uncomfortable themes, albeit in a comical way.
I agree he would’ve probably been a better pairing with Adrienne for L5Y, but considering how the overall production itself was received, it wouldn’t have mattered as much. A potted fern would’ve been an improvement over Jonas
A potted fern would’ve been an improvement over Jonas
I sometimes think to myself "Was that just a really bad dream?". JRB had the chance to bring arguably his most successful show to Broadway (finally!) and he cast......that guy? Such a missed opportunity and a real shame to true fans.
Swing Joined: 11/27/24
Observation said: "Curious if Leslie Odom Jr. is thedraw, or is Lesli Odom Jr. BACK IN HAMILTON the draw?
If he steps into another show, will there be a fan base that follows?
Wished we could have gotten him opposite Adrienne Warren in the Last Five Years revival."
The ticket selling value of a Hamilton actor outside of Hamilton is effectively zero, outside of LMM. This has been shown time and time again. None of them, outside of Lin himself, moved the needle on their shows outside of Hamilton.
Though they are all very talented actors in their own right, and a credit to their shows of course. They're just not any more valuable than any other broadway actor of comparable name/level.
But I bet there are any number of Hamilton actors that would sell just as well if they went back. Daveed Diggs for sure, Renee Elise Goldsberry, probably Christopher Jackson and Pippa Soo. Johnathan Groff is famous enough to make it happen even in a small role.
Anthony Ramos, Jasmine Caephas Jones, and Oak all had less flashy roles and are unlikely to move the needle as much. But you could get all three together and bill it as a mini Hamilton OBC reunion, and that would.
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