Glee just did NOT GETTING MARRIED TODAY...- Page 3

[broadwaybabywannabe2]

Posted: 2/16/13 at 2:32pm

AllThatJazz...BRAVO for posting against the grain here...i too am a GLEEK...and a proud one...remember these are high schoolish age kids in the show...they dont need to sound professional or even Broadway...this isn't SMASH...these kids in the show are supposedly from Lima, Ohio...including the adults...

two things u can count on here...
1. lea michelle will be ravaged for anything she sings...god forbid it be a Broadway song
1 Glee is to be made fun of...(a show that is bringing Broadway tunes to the country is a plus in my book...)

[Wynbish]

Posted: 2/16/13 at 2:36pm

^ Yes, that is something to be counted on here

1) People don't like a show or performer that some or many others like
2) People feel free to say they don't like it

[bjh2114]

Posted: 2/16/13 at 2:54pm

Lea Michele and Megan Hilty are apples and oranges.

Yup... a rotten, sour apple and a juicy orange.

[yankeefan7]

Posted: 2/16/13 at 3:34pm

"In regards to the storyline, the original concept was great and it still is, but the creative team knew that us hardcore Gleeks couldn't stand the thought of loosing Lea and Chris. So to me the NYC storyline was just pure genius. Not only can we enjoy the new glee-clubers while still delighting ourselves with the originals, but it also expands the audience so the fans who started watching when they were in High School can transition along with the show"

The cynical part of me believes the only reason they kept Lea and Chris etc was because they had no faith in the "new" class to carry the show. Would love to have seen what ratings would be like if original cast was not on show. In other words, it was not a stroke of genius IMO.

[yankeefan7]

Posted: 2/16/13 at 3:39pm

"AllThatJazz...BRAVO for posting against the grain here...i too am a GLEEK...and a proud one...remember these are high schoolish age kids in the show...they dont need to sound professional or even Broadway...this isn't SMASH...these kids in the show are supposedly from Lima, Ohio...including the adults... "

These HS kids won a National Glee Club competition so shouldn't they sound professional?

[Kelly2]

Posted: 2/16/13 at 3:41pm

Sorry, I lost interest in Glee when they started focusing more on really annoying offensive "after school special" message story lines instead of just being the fun and campy song-fest it was in the first season. Their adoption storyline was horrifyingly cruel and offensive to me, in particular. You're going to have her birth mother use her friend to seek her out and force her to contend with that issue and then have said birth mother tell her they can't have a relationship and run off and adopt a baby? Anyone who knows anything about adoption, birth parents, or knows an adoptee (or is one) would recognize how emotionally cruel and manipulative that plotline was, in addition to how wildly unrealistic. But that's not the only issue, there were so many more like their storyline regarding Mercedes' weight, and I have a few issues with their representation of lesbianism and teenage sexuality as well.

In short, not everyone who hates Glee is doing it to be cool and counter-culture. That show has some real issues in the' writing and there's no reason to pretend it doesn't when it's being discussed.

Updated On: 2/16/13 at 03:41 PM

[all that jazz]

Posted: 2/16/13 at 6:39pm

Broadwaybabywannabe2, I'm so trilled to finally find another gleek posting here!! We Gleeks have to stick together!

The show is obviously far from perfect, I not a big fan of marley character, and I'll agree that there have been some numbers which have not been great for instance, I don't know how to love him. If you ask me I honestly would have preferred to have Lea and Chris in there 50's still going to high school because in my opinion they are the two most talented performers of this pop generation, aside from Lady Gaga, Adele and Beyonce.

Opinion: Megan doesn't have more talent than Megan.

I don't know about you all but I rather listen to Lea than Katy Perry or Nicki Minaj.

[ComingUpRoses2]

Posted: 2/16/13 at 7:05pm

Believe it or not, I thought Glee was positively brilliant for the first 12 episodes. It was a terrific dark comedy along the lines of Election or Heathers and the song choices always made sense and enhanced the story or touched on what the characters were feeling.

Then, it came back after the break and it was a completely different show. It no long made sense. It started having "special" episodes of all Madonna or Britney Spears songs just for the hell of it. It became all about selling iTunes downloads. The music has rarely fit into the story ever since. Heck, at least they let Emma sing "Not Getting Married Today" at an actual wedding. Knowing those crappy writers, they could have just shoehorned it into a scene at an all you can eat buffet or car wash or something.

Kurt's "Rose's Turn" wouldn't have bothered me if I felt his character had earned it in that episode, but he didn't. It felt out of place and too dramatic for what he was going through. They do this with the songs on Glee all the time. I'm sorry, but every time someone gets in a fight or a gets a paper cut, they don't need to sing a big, unrelated showstopper about how much their life sucks when they haven't earned it. I half expect them to sing "I'm Still Here" every time they pass a math test.

The main problem is that the writers no longer care about delivering a consistent quality show or their characters, so why should I. Nothing makes sense. It's like aliens making a show about how they think humans act.

It's a shame, too, cause, like I said, the initial first 12 episodes were terrific.

As for Smash, I couldn't even get through 3 or 4 episodes of that. So mediocre and boring, although I think the cast and music are pretty great.

[Kelly2]

Posted: 2/16/13 at 7:08pm

"Believe it or not, I thought Glee was positively brilliant for the first 12 episodes. It was a terrific dark comedy along the lines of Election or Heathers and the song choices always made sense and enhanced the story or touched on what the characters were feeling."

If Glee were more like Election, I'd probably still watch it.

[ComingUpRoses2]

Posted: 2/16/13 at 7:10pm

As would I. As is, I haven't tuned in for 2 or 3 years now. I figured it was beyond redemption and gave up.

[amoni2]

Posted: 2/16/13 at 7:24pm

Ahhh Phyllis Rogers Stone, I thought you were dead, or maybe I was just thinking about your sense of humor.

"It doesn't matter how many awards Colfer wins, if a person isn't being true to the intentions of the material, then don't perform it."

Wow, how sad for you. Well then, this will make your head explode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm2Eo5FSCdk



"And especially what he says about her. "And if it wasn't for me, then where would you be, Miss Rachel Ber-REE". Rachel got where she was because she had an incredible voice and was focused on becoming a star. How can Kurt take credit for any of that?"

You really want to go there again? Rachel was "The Star" and Kurt came in and gave her a run for her money. He fought to sing solos that she would have naturally sung had he not joined Glee Club. In his mind he made her better.


"Opinion: Lea has less vocal talent than Megan".

Fact, Megan Hilty is very talented but has ZERO star quality, BIG difference. After an entire season she is still not a star. Lea broke out after the pilot. After "Smash", probably it's last season anyway, she'll back to the chorus and fawning Theater Queens at the stage door.

[Kelly2]

Posted: 2/16/13 at 7:30pm

"Fact, Megan Hilty is very talented but has ZERO star quality, BIG difference. After an entire season she is still not a star."

Um, how is that a fact? She's stuck on a terribly written show about a subject most of America doesn't really care about. What does that have to do with her personal qualities as a performer? Having actually SEEN Hilty live in some of her better performances (Gentleman Prefer Blondes, 9 to 5, Wicked, etc.), I can say that she does have a great star quality onstage in my opinion and based on the buzz that surrounded her especially in Gentleman Prefer Blondes and 9 to 5, many agree with me.

If she ever takes another role in the ensemble again, I'll eat my hat. The way you talk about Hilty is demonstrative of the problem most on this board have with Glee fans. You can't take criticism. There are legitimate discussions to be had about the direction Glee has taken and the writing of the show, as I pointed out earlier in the thread. If you're not interested in discussion and instead are just interested in fangirling Lea Michele, this ain't the place for you.

[OperaBwayLover]

Posted: 2/16/13 at 7:35pm

Glee is one of the shows I hatewatch these days. The only episode that I actually liked this season (so far) was the Christmas episode, and that was because there was very little Lea Michele in that one- I cannot stand her character. Don't get me wrong, I do like to listen to the songs by themselves, most of them, but half the time I find the episode plots to be beyond the realm of ridiculously absurd. Not sure when the show lost me as a positive fan, but I doubt I'll ever be fully on board the Glee train again.

To those who do still love the show- good for you. I'm glad it still makes you happy, I really am.

And to pertain to this thread, I liked how they handled "Not Getting Married Today." I was both happy and amused to see on the Glee message board, gleeforum.com, that it was the best song of the episode for most of the posters there.

[bjh2114]

Posted: 2/16/13 at 7:47pm

After an entire season she is still not a star. Lea broke out after the pilot.

That's possibly the DUMBEST thing I've read on this board in a while. Lea "broke out" after the pilot? That's because SHE WAS THE LEAD. The first season of Glee was completely centered around Rachel. Smash is centered around 20 million people equally with Karen slightly edging everyone else out as the main character. I'll put it to you this way, after both Glee and Smash are over, who is going to get more work? Megan Hilty. A) Because she is more talented/capable of doing multiple styles. And B) because people can actually stand to work with her.

[all that jazz]

Posted: 2/16/13 at 7:52pm

Well said, amoni. Rose's turn is actually one of my favorite songs from the show, but you have to be very familiar with the show in order to understand it. That being said I don't think Megan doesn't have star power, she is pretty amazing, is just that Lea has way more.

"The way you talk about Hilty is demonstrative of the problem most on this board have with Glee fans. You can't take criticism."

Kelly while I agree with you on Megan I believe your argument is happening all the way around. Many of the people in this thread are just dead set against glee and don't want to hear any arguments. Like broadwaybaby said:

"two things u can count on here...
1. lea michelle will be ravaged for anything she sings...god forbid it be a Broadway song
1 Glee is to be made fun of...(a show that is bringing Broadway tunes to the country is a plus in my book...)"

[Wynbish]

Posted: 2/16/13 at 8:01pm

And many of the people here are dead set in support of Glee. And both sides are fine.

Oh, to live in a world with differing opinions... How can it be

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 2/16/13 at 8:05pm

Oh, amoni, you relentless sourpuss, you might not be the best one to rate the sense of humor of others,

[Wynbish]

Posted: 2/16/13 at 8:06pm

Phyllis, that is your opinion! And opinions are not welcome here! Be gone!

[sephyr]

Posted: 2/16/13 at 10:45pm

I really like Glee and think it is a very nice show. Not to say that I like everything that they do to the characters or every song/plot but I like most of it. I really like Lea, Chris, Naya, Amber, Dianna, and Jenna and think they are all exceptional talents.
I love when they do Broadway songs and standards because they give them a new twist sometimes. Also, a lot of people (even theatre majors I know) don't know Company or other Sondheim shows. I thought Jayma (Emma) did a great job on Not Getting Married Today, she's not the strongest vocalist but I could understand everything she said and I believed her.
I hope glee delves further into the Broadway catalog in the future, including contemporary writers too. I know these songs are considered big sellers by Ryan Murphy but I hope he takes more chances because his cast is talented enough to perform anything.

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 2/17/13 at 2:15am

1. It hurts me that anyone would use "Glee" and "genius" in the same sentence.
2. To whoever was whining about the how reliably Lea Michele is "ravaged" on this board, you do realize that Lea didn't sing the song in question here, right?
3. I'm certain the only reason I "understood" every word Jayma Mays sang in this performance is because I know every single syllable to that song, and might be innately equipped to sing it in my sleep.
4. I actually think Megan Hilty is the one bright light on Smash. Girl can deliver a song. Hard to compare her vocals against Lea's, though -- (a) because you're talking such different vocal styles, but most because (b) all. the. autotune.

[yankeefan7]

Posted: 2/17/13 at 6:52am

BJH2114 - Wow, could not have said it any better !!!