HAMILTON Is Being Filmed With The OBC, So Everyone Freak The F*#k Out.- Page 4

[ChildofEarth]

Posted: 6/16/16 at 7:38pm

I'm not worried about Hamilton being dated, it's a masterpiece.

What I am worried about being dated is the technology they use to film it. By the time we see it, it will probably look like it was filmed with a potato.

[sueb1863]

Posted: 6/16/16 at 8:48pm

QueenAlice said:

Even with that said, I have read Andrew Lloyd Weber state that in hindsight he wishes it hadn't taken so long for the Phantom film to be made; because he feels like it would've been a much more successful movie if they hadn't waited as long as they did.

I thought I read somewhere that they originally planned to film it with Michael Crawford and Sarah Brightman, but her divorce from ALW killed that idea. I don't think it was the time lag that caused the Phantom movie to flop (or phlop), but it was the fact that it wasn't a very good filmed version of the show.

I'm glad they're filming Hamilton but it is a bummer that it's going to be a decade or more before we see the footage.

[snl89]

Posted: 6/16/16 at 9:00pm

This just makes me so happy, no matter WHEN it does end up actually getting released Just knowing that they'll have filmed it, and that it we'll have it to look forward to in years to come (even if it's 10, 15 years) is really really great! 

That said, the more I think about it: Would it make sense for them to wait that long, given that a film adaptation at some point down the line is inevitable? Part of me thinks they'd be really smart to release it within the next couple of years, if only because if they wanted to do a movie in, say, 15 years, how would that timing work out? I would think if they waited 10+ years on releasing the filmed stage version, that might mean the movie would have to wait QUITE a long time since people would probably be satisfied (no pun intended? xD) with the filmed stage version for a while. Otherwise, if they did release it and then try and do a movie shortly thereafter, people might be more inclined not to care about the movie if they're still relishing in the OBC video. 

Whereas if they did release it relatively soon (not necessarily RIGHT now, but in a year or two), people would completely eat it up, AND they'd be really excited again when, years down the line, the movie adaptation happens. 

I'm not a producer or particularly business savvy though, so.... would there really be a huge financial downside to taking that approach? Is it really just never going to happen until years down the line? 

Either way, I am so happy they're doing this!! But obviously, hey, if they were to be awesome and release it earlier, that would just be all the more amazing :) 

Oh and on the topic of the show becoming dated: Nah, I don't think it will at all. It's not as though the rap is just a gimmick, OR that it was a total fluke of timing that people are taking so quickly to the show. Yes, I'm sure that the fact that racial politics and immigration are big topics of discussion in our society at the moment doesn't hurt, but at the end of the day I know what I responded to was simply that it's a really engaging, beautifully told story with incredible music irrespective of genre (I still, even now that I'm trying, can't get into most rap/hip hop! It's just not my thing- but Hamilton is. So I think that says a lot about that it's not popular only because hip hop is popular or anything.) 
 

Updated On: 6/16/16 at 09:00 PM

[HogansHero]

Posted: 6/16/16 at 9:53pm

sueb1863 said: "I'm glad they're filming Hamilton but it is a bummer that it's going to be a decade or more before we see the footage."

Why do I always feel like we are playing the telephone game? 

You will see some of the footage in October. For free.

You may never see the whole thing. 

The Rent movie came out 3 years before the video of the stage version. I think that may happen again. (It doesn't hurt that the same producer is involved.) But if the movie is good, there might not be a compelling interest in it by then. People have said this over and over here but the star really is the show, and a decade from now that will be even clearer.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 6/16/16 at 10:09pm

Well remember that the RENT live performance wasn't filmed until years after the film was made. 

[darreyl102]

Posted: 6/16/16 at 10:15pm

Well, we will have to watch the bootleg till the professional version gets released- whenever that comes about.

[HogansHero]

Posted: 6/16/16 at 10:21pm

Jordan Catalano said: "Well remember that the RENT live performance wasn't filmed until years after the film was made. "

Definitely. My point is that Seller views a live performance video as an end game strategy. On the other hand, I think most producers believe that movies that reimagine the property (esp if they are good) sell tickets whereas live ones don't. I also think the former explains why there will not likely be a movie of Hamilton any sooner than there was of Chorus Line. 

 

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 6/16/16 at 10:24pm

But I don't think there's any real "data" on if a filmed version of a stage show would hurt ticket sales. There's so few shows that have actually been filmed for release (and I'd say most to all of them not being released until a show is closed) that it's really not something anyone knows about. 

[snl89]

Posted: 6/16/16 at 10:34pm

Yeah, honestly I'm still not quite seeing why they WOULDN'T release it earlier in this case... in a case like RENT, the show was basically being filmed because it was closing, which was a very different situation. I feel like it's very very rare that people are this crazy eager to see any kind of more accessible version of a show this early on... so I can't imagine it not making money. 

I dunno... as much as I'm not going to assume they WILL release it any time soon, I'm also still wondering if it's not a little much to assume it definitely won't be for years and years. I still feel like it would be a perfect set up if they release the filmed stage version first next year or the year after while the hype is still so red hot, and then take a nice good long time to do a great film adaptation. But then again, I'm sure that's partly my own desire to see/own it as soon as possible talking :) 

[gypsy101]

Posted: 6/16/16 at 10:58pm

I don't understand the thinking that showing a filmed performance in theaters will in any way impede live productions. if anything, I would go see it multiple times in the movie theater and still be hankering to see it live either on Broadway or on tour. And showing it at the cinema really gets it to people who may have never been able to see it live, so look at that, you're getting money from them you may never have gotten in the first place! that's how I think of it anyway, but like Jordan said I guess we don't really know how a filming like this could affect the box office of the live production, no one's been brave enough to try it.

Updated On: 6/16/16 at 10:58 PM

[HogansHero]

Posted: 6/16/16 at 11:13pm

Jordan Catalano said: "But I don't think there's any real "data" on if a filmed version of a stage show would hurt ticket sales. There's so few shows that have actually been filmed for release (and I'd say most to all of them not being released until a show is closed) that it's really not something anyone knows about. "

You're right: there's no data. But what I was focusing on is the perception of producers. And other than one flopmeister, I don't know of a producer who thinks releasing a filmed version, streaming etc is smart. It's one of hundreds of judgment calls producers make: should we sent tickets to TKTS? should we rent a larger theatre? will an ad in the Times on Sunday pay for itself? So whatever we think, it's not about us. And I don't think Jeffrey Seller is gonna monkey with his gold mine. And especially not while he is laying out a very aggressive touring plan. 

@snl, I don't think it is about the video not making money-it would. But remember that even the highest grossing movies don't make as much as blockbuster stage hits (and I don't think anyone suspects a Hamilton video is gonna be the next Avatar.)

[Gymfan15]

Posted: 6/16/16 at 11:17pm

At the end of the day, I'm just glad that they're filming it. Knowing that it is being preserved and that I will see it eventually sometime in my life, is enough for now. I'm willing to...get it...wait for it. Haha. 

[BOM]

Posted: 6/16/16 at 11:20pm

I'm just glad that there are already two recordings of this show that I can watch whenever I want. A professional recording would be nice though.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 6/17/16 at 1:24am

Actually, there are four. If you're going to brag without bragging that you have videos of it (because you're so cool), at least get the numbers right.
 

[darreyl102]

Posted: 6/17/16 at 1:43am

^ How is that bragging? It's just stating a fact that there are indeed recording that can be easily found of the show. And you seem to be bragging even more than the first poster, as your claiming knowledge of four, instead of two. Just saying. LOL

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 6/17/16 at 1:51am

Cool story, bro.

[Mr. Nowack]

Posted: 6/17/16 at 2:33am

Time for the thread to be deleted!!

And the notion that bootlegs are equivalent to pro-shot videos is stupid anyway. I need good sound on that shik.

[darreyl102]

Posted: 6/17/16 at 2:51am

^ And just who made that notion besides yourself? LOL. If your gonna bash Bootlegs, at least know what you are talking about- as the sound on said Hamilton boots is actually quite nice.

[Mr. Nowack]

Posted: 6/17/16 at 3:40am

*insert gif here*

"Ha! I've seen it."

[gypsy101]

Posted: 6/17/16 at 3:53am

I heard from someone that has one that the sound is not great (the video is also surprisingly low-def).

Updated On: 6/17/16 at 03:53 AM

[Mr. Nowack]

Posted: 6/17/16 at 3:58am

Either way, it is not going to be the crystal clear direct from the mics sound that the pro-shot version will offer.

[darreyl102]

Posted: 6/17/16 at 4:24am

^ There are more than one video recording of the show dude. SMH

[Mr. Nowack]

Posted: 6/17/16 at 5:17am

SMH as well because I am well aware yet you keep trying to assert your dominance for no reason!

[best12bars]

Posted: 6/17/16 at 7:35am

Phantom of the Opera and Chicago both had film versions released, and both shows are still going strong.

The Phantom movie flopped, but Chicago was a huge hit that won Best Picture. In either case, neither result hurt the stage show. If anything they helped with wider recognizability.

[indytallguy]

Posted: 6/17/16 at 7:40am

When is the movie of this thread going to be released and who has been cast in the leading roles?