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#1350Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/14/16 at 1:16pmsteins said: "@bucky3 I agree. Share line time with a friend who both will see the show should definitely not be considered swapping-out. I am pretty sure RRT will agree.
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My personal feeling is that, in the spirit of the rules, this should definitely be considered swapping. It makes no sense to make this specific to people who are hired -- how would they tell the difference? It seems that the purpose of the rule is to lessen the time people are spending in line, which is thwarted if people are able to switch out at will provided they are friends.
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steins
Stand-by Joined: 4/10/16
#1351Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/14/16 at 1:23pm
That is fair, but what I meant was for both person that involved in swapping, both of whom will be watching the show together, and this should be considered fine. And easily distinguishable than a line sitter who doesn't ended up seeing the show at all.
bucky3
Chorus Member Joined: 5/7/16
#1352Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/14/16 at 1:25pm
The difference is that with line sitters, the people standing on line 'waiting' are not the people who will actually be seeing the show. If someone is waiting to see the show with a friend (both people waiting going to see the show) I personally wouldn't mind if the two of them took turns standing. To me, this is very different than paying a line sitter. But this is just my opinion. I guess it will be up to RR to decide what is allowed and what isn't.
steins
Stand-by Joined: 4/10/16
#1353Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/14/16 at 1:32pm
it can also help by the office to give out bands when the office opens.
>red for 1 ticket
>green for 2 ticket, 1 band will be tied to the person currently in line, the other band can be given out to the person in line to be given out to his/her friend
with current date+their position in line on it.
1) It is easy to tell by the box office and everyone in line if someone just hired a line sitter and 2 person swapping-in showed up with no band.
2) And if a line-sitter swapping in for the meantime, it could be called out by others.
3) And whoever get the green band, both person need to be present to purchase the ticket, or they forfeit both tickets and their position in line.
so this only leaves out the situation that someone want to hire a line-sitter to go to the show with him/her. lol
tmm709
Swing Joined: 5/14/16
#1354Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/14/16 at 1:40pm
Hey folks. Let me get right to it....premium tickets for $477. After reading the line sitting drama that unfolded last night, I have a few questions.
From what I understand, these premium tix are the first to be offered and they are offered to the cancellation line in order. How often do these tickets usually go unsold? After the line passes them up, does anyone get a shot at them even if you're not in line? I've heard that people have grabbed these tix just by showing up at BO. After the line passed on them, they were offered up to people who just happened to be standing around. (but that was a few months ago).
I'm asking for advice because we're most likely going to have to cancel our line sitting reservation for next Wednesday. We're still within the window that we can get a refund so I'm trying to make an informed decision on what to do and come up with some realistic expectations. I realize there's StubHub and the digital lottery as well but for an 8pm show, it seems unlikely we'll be able to get a decent price and still print the tix before the show starts.
Thanks everyone. This board has been an awesome source of information and I appreciate everyone that has shared their experience!
steins
Stand-by Joined: 4/10/16
#1355Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/14/16 at 1:46pm
that depends on the # of premium tickets available. So for last Tuesday, 3 premium tickets were available, so they were grabbed immediately by people in line after position #5. It is just a calculated risk, if you are no #6 in line or afterward, the chances are getting slimmer. On last monday, 6 premium tickets were sold, I am not sure they were all grabbed? Either way, people grabbed them according to their order in line. Bottom line, if you arrived late in line and found yourself #7, then probably good idea to grab. Also, if any premium tickets are unsold, of course you can walk into the BO to buy those (not sure about this one, but I have heard people off the street bought them when no one in cancellation line want). And if they are unsold 5min before the show, they become regular priced cancellation tickets and released to the cancellation line.
Updated On: 5/14/16 at 01:46 PM
ammurp
Chorus Member Joined: 5/6/16
#1356Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/14/16 at 1:47pm
tmm709 said: "Hey folks. Let me get right to it....premium tickets for $477. After reading the line sitting drama that unfolded last night, I have a few questions.
From what I understand, these premium tix are the first to be offered and they are offered to the cancellation line in order. How often do these tickets usually go unsold? After the line passes them up, does anyone get a shot at them even if you're not in line? I've heard that people have grabbed these tix just by showing up at BO. After the line passed on them, they were offered up to people who just happened to be standing around. (but that was a few months ago).
I'm asking for advice because we're most likely going to have to cancel our line sitting reservation for next Wednesday. We're still within the window that we can get a refund so I'm trying to make an informed decision on what to do and come up with some realistic expectations. I realize there's StubHub and the digital lottery as well but for an 8pm show, it seems unlikely we'll be able to get a decent price and still print the tix before the show starts.
Thanks everyone. This board has been an awesome source of information and I appreciate everyone that has shared their experience!
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I'm in the same boat regarding thinking about cancelling our line sitter. My understanding is the the $477 premium tickets are released as they are available at the BO to the cancellation line. I don't think I've heard of them being offered to people just showing up to the BO before the show starts anymore.
I think our plan is going to be leaving right after work next week to make the drive down to NYC and then I'll be getting in line. We'll be taking premium tickets if they are offered to us as they'll be what we were paying for the line sitter and $177 tickets anyway and it will likely allow us to go sleep as well as explore NYC a bit before the show.
#1357Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/14/16 at 2:05pm
As per RRT rules:
#1 Patrons may not swap out or hold places on the line.
#3 Each person may purchase up to two tickets.
What I personally interpret from the rules is that the RRT wants ONE person in line to buy either one or two tickets for their party without the need for waiting sooooo long that you need to ask someone to hold your place in line to grab food or use the bathroom or sooooo long that one feels the need to add to the wait by swapping with their other party. I really see it as RRT attempting to cut the wait time. It shouldn't need to be a "Super Steins" 28 hour single ticket wait for everyone. (You're incredible Steins!)
mailhandler777
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/15/15
#1358Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/14/16 at 2:11pm
After reading through this whole thread it seems like a waste of time and money(especially the people that hired line sitters. If I can't wait for my own tickets I shouldn't be seeing a show) waiting in a line all day to see a show that will probably be around for the next 10-15yrs. If it was for rush tickets that were like $20 it would make more sense to me. Waiting in line for tickets that are $177-$477(with the occasional lottery or SRO ticket thrown in) just seems ridiculous to me. I don't need to see the show that bad. I'll just wait patiently like I did with Wicked until the madness dies down in a few years.
Hi, I'm Val. Formerly DefyGravity777(I believe)
bucky3
Chorus Member Joined: 5/7/16
#1359Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/14/16 at 2:15pm
Update: My daughter just left the cancellation line for the 2 pm show. What they did today (which is very smart) is offer the $477 tickets AFTER all the $177 tickets were sold. She doesn't think there were line sitters but Im not sure she would notice if they were trying to be incognito... She was walking by after rehearsal and she didnt stay long enough to get many details. I think 8 people got in, not including premium.
#1360Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/14/16 at 2:36pm
bucky3 said: "The difference is that with line sitters, the people standing on line 'waiting' are not the people who will actually be seeing the show. If someone is waiting to see the show with a friend (both people waiting going to see the show) I personally wouldn't mind if the two of them took turns standing. To me, this is very different than paying a line sitter. But this is just my opinion. I guess it will be up to RR to decide what is allowed and what isn't."
I don't mind that scenario of 2 friends taking turns standing either since to me, they're both going to see the show.
Even with the new rules, professional line sitters may still have a business at the RRT. Let's say you're visiting NYC and want to see Hamilton. You can still hire a line sitter but the understanding is that you'd pay for the line sitter's ticket as well since he has to watch the show with you due to the no swapping rule. If there are 2 of you going, then hire 2 line sitters (though this may be pricey as it would cost over $1400?!?)
The only way line sitters will be gone for good is when the theater has a rule that each person in the cancellation line can buy at most 1 ticket.
ammurp
Chorus Member Joined: 5/6/16
#1361Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/14/16 at 2:39pm
bucky3 said: "Update: My daughter just left the cancellation line for the 2 pm show. What they did today (which is very smart) is offer the $477 tickets AFTER all the $177 tickets were sold. She doesn't think there were line sitters but Im not sure she would notice if they were trying to be incognito... She was walking by after rehearsal and she didnt stay long enough to get many details. I think 8 people got in, not including premium.
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Hm, very interesting. Perhaps I'll be waiting for much longer than I originally anticipated! Unless it was different because it was a matinee?
#1362Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/14/16 at 2:41pm
bucky3 said: "Update: My daughter just left the cancellation line for the 2 pm show. What they did today (which is very smart) is offer the $477 tickets AFTER all the $177 tickets were sold. She doesn't think there were line sitters but Im not sure she would notice if they were trying to be incognito... She was walking by after rehearsal and she didnt stay long enough to get many details. I think 8 people got in, not including premium."
From what I heard, most if not all the line sitters on Saturday are there for the evening show since Lin-Manuel performs the evening performance whereas Javier does the matinee (I've seen both perform and I think both are great!) I'd be a tad bit upset though if Renee or Daveed aren't performing.
It'll be interesting to see what happens tonight between 7:30pm-8:00pm.
#1363Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/14/16 at 2:41pm
http://nyti.ms/1TLhCZ0
Not sure if this has been posted yet...interesting that they are referring to line-sitters as "brokers" who are turning around and selling the tickets at an extreme markup when I don't think that tends to be the case. They aren't marking up the tickets, they are just charging for their time.
Sunshine31
Stand-by Joined: 4/27/16
#1364Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/14/16 at 2:43pm
mailhandler777 said: "After reading through this whole thread it seems like a waste of time and money(especially the people that hired line sitters. If I can't wait for my own tickets I shouldn't be seeing a show) waiting in a line all day to see a show that will probably be around for the next 10-15yrs. If it was for rush tickets that were like $20 it would make more sense to me. Waiting in line for tickets that are $177-$477(with the occasional lottery or SRO ticket thrown in) just seems ridiculous to me. I don't need to see the show that bad. I'll just wait patiently like I did with Wicked until the madness dies down in a few years."
In my case, I missed the first wave of sales & refused to pay a ridiculous amount (resellers on TM & SH). I wanted to see the OBC, so the wait for worth it. Besides the SRO tickets, a majority of cancellation tickets are orchestra seats (first couple rows). So paying $177 (face-value) for an orchestra seats is beyond reasonable. IMO, $477 is OD.
But it varies for everyone.
Sunshine31
Stand-by Joined: 4/27/16
#1365Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/14/16 at 2:47pm
Wick3 said: "bucky3 said: "Update: My daughter just left the cancellation line for the 2 pm show. What they did today (which is very smart) is offer the $477 tickets AFTER all the $177 tickets were sold. She doesn't think there were line sitters but Im not sure she would notice if they were trying to be incognito... She was walking by after rehearsal and she didnt stay long enough to get many details. I think 8 people got in, not including premium."
From what I heard, most if not all the line sitters on Saturday are there for the evening show since Lin-Manuel performs the evening performance whereas Javier does the matinee (I've seen both perform and I think both are great!) I'd be a tad bit upset though if Renee or Daveed aren't performing.
It'll be interesting to see what happens tonight between 7:30pm-8:00pm.
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I thought Javier did both shows on Saturdays?
Jennabee
Understudy Joined: 5/12/16
#1366Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/14/16 at 2:48pm
Sunshine31 said: "I missed the first wave of sales & refused to pay a ridiculous amount (resellers on TM & SH). I wanted to see the OBC, so the wait for worth it. Besides the SRO tickets, a majority of cancellation tickets are orchestra seats (first couple rows). So paying $177 (face-value) for an orchestra seats is beyond reasonable. IMO, $477 is OD.
But it varies for everyone. "
My daughter is both realistic about her chances (low) and passionately hoping to see the OBC. She likens it to seeing a favorite band vs. a cover band -- it's the same songs, sure, but she loves not only the songs but the people and how they, specifically, sing (/rap) those songs.
Sunshine31
Stand-by Joined: 4/27/16
#1367Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/14/16 at 2:55pm
Jennabee said: "Sunshine31 said: "I missed the first wave of sales & refused to pay a ridiculous amount (resellers on TM & SH). I wanted to see the OBC, so the wait for worth it. Besides the SRO tickets, a majority of cancellation tickets are orchestra seats (first couple rows). So paying $177 (face-value) for an orchestra seats is beyond reasonable. IMO, $477 is OD.
But it varies for everyone. "
My daughter is both realistic about her chances (low) and passionately hoping to see the OBC. She likens it to seeing a favorite band vs. a cover band -- it's the same songs, sure, but she loves not only the songs but the people and how they, specifically, sing (/rap) those songs.
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It's worth the shot Jennabee. When are you going?
mailhandler777
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/15/15
#1368Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/14/16 at 2:55pm
Sunshine31 said: "In my case, I missed the first wave of sales & refused to pay a ridiculous amount (resellers on TM & SH). I wanted to see the OBC, so the wait for worth it. Besides the SRO tickets, a majority of cancellation tickets are orchestra seats (first couple rows). So paying $177 (face-value) for an orchestra seats is beyond reasonable. IMO, $477 is OD.
But it varies for everyone."
True. I personally think $177 is outrageous for any show. I could rush 5 or 6 shows for that. But to each his/her own.
Hi, I'm Val. Formerly DefyGravity777(I believe)
Jennabee
Understudy Joined: 5/12/16
#1369Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/14/16 at 3:04pm
Sunshine31 said: "It's worth the shot Jennabee. When are you going? "
And I am not giving up my… (Sorry, had to. 
I'm still trying to figure out if we're going and if so when. I think it would be a Tuesday and Wednesday between May 24th and June 12th. There is some flexibility there though.
I'm also now looking at getting a hotel closeby that offers to print the tickets up until showtime, to maximize StubHub chances.
I'm generally trying to figure out how much money I'm willing to spend on this. My daughter's a great kid and doesn't ask for much and isn't even really asking for this because of the cost/ difficulty, but it would make her LIFE if I could get tickets for the OBC somehow.
Meanwhile we have wanted to go to NYC for a very long time, so making it a trip with just the possibility of Hamilton tickets (but not dependent on that) could still be very fun.
jdra
Understudy Joined: 5/9/16
#1370Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/14/16 at 3:10pm
Sunshine31 said:
"I thought Javier did both shows on Saturdays? "
He does matinees, sometimes Saturday, sometimes Sunday. His schedule from their site is here:
Saturday May 14 @ 2:00pm
Saturday May 21 @ 2:00pm
Sunday May 29 @ 2:00pm
Sunday June 5 @ 3:00pm
Sunday June 12 @ 2:00pm (Tony Sunday)
Sunday June 19 @ 3:00pm
Sunday June 26 @ 3:00pm
Sunday July 3 @ 3:00pm
tmm709
Swing Joined: 5/14/16
#1371Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/14/16 at 3:15pm
Thanks for the updates re: premium tix. I'm going to see how it plays out tonight, which should start around 5pm since that's when the Line Sitters have requested their clients to swap out.
We'll probably just get in line as soon as we can (which isn't very early thus why we hired the line sitter) and see if we can get a premium ticket. Or if fate allows, we may be able to afford a StubHub ticket and print it with enough time to see the show. Doubtful, as is the digital lottery, but I certainly don't want to pay for a line sitter knowing what happened Friday night.
If anyone is around tonight, I'd love to see what happens.
#1372Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/14/16 at 3:19pm
What if you have to go to the bathroom? If you leave to do that and your friend stays in line for you, is that considered swapping out? Who is policing this? From my experience, there's nothing worse than when patrons try to enforce the rules on their own, with their arbitrary system of enforcement.
jdra
Understudy Joined: 5/9/16
#1373Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/14/16 at 3:24pm
I am wondering if anyone has any more details on how the line went today for Javier's matinee. Were the professional linesitters there? Did they get called out again? I am coming in a couple of weeks from California and would be happy to see Javier's show if it is easier to get in and get good seats. I am happy to pay for premium.
ammurp
Chorus Member Joined: 5/6/16
#1374Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/14/16 at 3:26pm
I'm confused as to why people are saying line sitters are requesting to swap out of the line with their clients at 5pm...must not be the SOLD guys because they wait in the line for the entire wait up until their client gets called into the box office.
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