Head Over Heels - Commentary on the Snubs- Page 2

[LizzieCurry]

Posted: 5/1/19 at 4:12pm

Would you rank it stupider or smarter than the Playbill display wall war of 2008?

[YvanEhtNioj]

Posted: 5/1/19 at 4:26pm

I admire your passion..but Peppermint didn't deserve anything. 

[LuPita2]

Posted: 5/1/19 at 4:33pm

People who can't act typically don't deserve Tony Awards.....

[Alessio2]

Posted: 5/1/19 at 4:40pm

I loved Head Over Heels being a big fan of the go-go's and musical theater! I saw the pre Broadway run in SF!

Agree that Bonnie Milligan, choreo, and costumes deserved nominations.  Peppermint?? Not so much...She's perfectly likeable but has limited abilities.

[ggersten]

Posted: 5/1/19 at 6:17pm

There are only a limited number of nominations. Most of the time, the number of nominations will be less than the number of award worthy performances. A perfomer/creative's work can be deserving and still not nominated. So, whom should not have been nominated in favor of Milligan or Peppermint or Liff? Because, you're going to have to un-nominate someone to get your preferred performer/creative onto the list.  

 

[BenjaminNicholas2]

Posted: 5/1/19 at 6:38pm

Oh, FFS, pleased don't turn this into a 'they hate/dismissed us' argument.

The show was crap with very talented performers trying their hardest to make it work.  It didn't.

 

[itsjustmejonhotmailcom]

Posted: 5/1/19 at 6:44pm

A Part of It All said: "It’s almost as if they’re saying, “This isn’t your world…” to all people who identify as LGBTQIA+. I’m very tired of old, straight, white, and let’s be real… most likely transphobic men getting to pick what wins and what is written out of history"

Straight white men, actually men in general, were in the minority on the nominating committee. Could it be that they liked other shows better and weren't trying to make a statement at all?

[NYCblurb]

Posted: 5/1/19 at 6:44pm

The notion of FAIRNESS going off the road and yes, everyone deserves a TONY. Dumbest thread ever.

[everythingtaboo]

Posted: 5/1/19 at 6:55pm

I do think it's a shame a few of the elements from HOH didn't make to the nominees list. But whenever I hear about a "snub" my question usually is who would they take out to put in their place? So I guess I'll ask the OP: who would you have taken out to make room for your HOH nominee? 

[AEA AGMA SM]

Posted: 5/1/19 at 6:56pm

Jordan Catalano said: "This whole thread is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever read on this board."

Are you forgetting the circus-themed Seussical thread (was that BroadwayGuy or something like that)? Or any started by Philly Pinto or Sue Storm or Chi Chi?

[Scarlet Leigh]

Posted: 5/1/19 at 7:11pm

The only really, true SNUB here was the Choreography with 100% should have been nominated. Everything else though... no. Milligan would have been a pleasant surprise in the category but there is just only so much space to work with her and the featured categories are the 4 HARDEST to get a slot in as they have the biggest pool of performers that both qualify and deserve to be in them. But Peppermint? First off, the role is no where near a meaty enough role to get attention. Second, ---- just was okay in it. And the idea that the musical itself it the "best" of the season is just... it's a cute musical but overall while it had some very interesting design elements that were wonderful to look at... the jarring difference between the proper almost Shakespearean sounding book and the modern pop music made it almost unwatchable at times. Just because it had representation in it does not give it a free pass from being an okay at best musical. 

And to even suggest that a performer that was a long shot in their Broadway debut would leave the business because of not getting a LONG SHOT nomination... you owe her a damn apology to even SUGGEST she would be that kind of a shallow and petty person. We'd have a LOT less actors and actresses on Broadway if every featured performer making a Broadway debut in a flop show stopped acting all together because they didn't get a nomination. She is stronger then that and she is better than that and if it's meant to happen one day it will happen. LOOK how many well loved, respected, and hard working actors their are that have never gotten a nomination before. HELL Patrick Page just got his FIRST ever nomination yesterday and he's one of the most respected guys on the great white way!

[Robbie2]

Posted: 5/1/19 at 7:13pm

A Part of It All said: "It has been a full day and I’m still in shock by the lack of empathy and respect shown by the entire community regarding the utter dismissal of Head Over Heels. This show meant so much to so many people and really spoke to many, yet the show was completely snubbed of any Tony nominations across the board? It’s almost as if they’re saying, “This isn’t your world…” to all people who identify as LGBTQIA+. I’m very tired of old, straight, white, and let’s be real… most likely transphobic men getting to pick what wins and what is written out of history. Bonnie Milligan and Peppermint both deserved nominations and were robbed of winning awards.I’m worried that this show will be forgotten and based off the response to Bonnie’s snub, I am worried she may be disheartened and will leave the industry. I do not want that to happen. I would love to see her in The Prom one day! Also, I would love to see Peppermint onstage again. I think she’d be a fun Paulette in Legally Blonde, the Musical!

I just wanted to start this thread to celebrate the legacy of Head Over Heels and to let any fans of the show to understand that this show WAS the best show on Broadway this season. This show had the BEST message in any recent musical. This show would have won if people gave it a chance.

Do not give up your love for this show. Let its memory live on.

We’ve got the beat! We're mad about YOU!"

 

Dude, the TONY Nominating Committee is far from being a group of straight white and transphobic males so just CHILL! 

The 2018-2019 TONY Nominating Committee includes:

• Emily Altman – Attorney/Foundation President**
• Bob Alwine – Associate Producer, Goodspeed Musicals
• Brenda Braxton – Actor/Author**
• Milly Barranger – Author/Educator
• Suzy Benzinger – Costume Designer
• Luis Castro – Media and Entertainment Executive/Producer
• Dawn Chiang – Lighting Designer
• Patricia Cruz – Executive Director, Harlem Stage/Aaron Davis Hall, Inc.
• Carmen de Lavallade – Choreographer
• Eisa Davis – Actor/Writer/Singer-Songwriter**
• Jerry Dixon – Actor/Director**
• Edgar Dobie – Executive Producer, Arena Stage – Washington, DC
• Judith Dolan – Costume Designer
• Scott Elliott – Director/Artistic Director, The New Group
• John Erman – Director/Producer**
• Tim Federle – Novelist/Playwright
• Peter Jay Fernandez – Actor/Educator
• Scott Frankel – Composer**
• Maija Garcia – Choreographer**
• Anna Glass – Executive Director, Dance Theatre of Harlem
• Mason Granger – Director of Grants, Hearst Foundation
• Katori Hall – Playwright
• Ann Harada – Actor**
• Peter Hedges – Writer
• JoAnn Hunter – Actor/Choreographer**
• Mara Isaacs – Founder and Director, Octopus Theatricals, LLC
• Branden Jacobs-Jenkins – Playwright**
• Michael Kantor – Executive Producer, American Masters
• Anne Keefe – Associate Artist, Westport Country Playhouse
• Michael John LaChiusa – Composer/Lyricist/Librettist
• Priscilla Lopez – Actor**
• Martyna Majok – Playwright**
• John Mauceri – Conductor**
• Tony Meola – Sound Designer
• Jessica Molaskey – Actor
• Sheila Nevins – President, HBO Documentary Films
• Peter Parnell – Playwright/Librettist**
• Rosalba Rolón – Executive Director, Pregones Theater**
• Daphne-Rubin Vega – Actor**
• Paul Rudnick – Playwright/Novelist/Screenwriter/Essayist
• Don Scardino – Actor/Director
• Kimberly Senior –Director**
• Mikki Shepard – Executive Producer, The Apollo Theatre
• Randy Skinner - Choreographer/Director
• Ellen Sorrin – Director, The George Balanchine Trust
• Jessica Stone – Actor/Director
• Mark Wendland – Scenic Designer**
• Evan Yionoulis – Director

**Denotes new Nominating Committee Member

[OKBroadwayFan]

Posted: 5/1/19 at 7:17pm

. I’m very tired of old, straight, white, and let’s be real… most likely transphobic men getting to pick what wins and what is written out of history. 

 

First of all, I loved Head Over Heels, and felt it was better deserving of a nomination than Beetlejuice and would have loved to see Bonnie nominated.  My daughter and I loved it and it pushed all the buttons for us, but alas not everyone agrees.   

But I am replying to your quote that "old, straight, white.."

Here is a list of the 48 people who decided this year's nominees:

The 2018-2019 Nominating Committee includes:

• Emily Altman – Attorney/Foundation President**
• Bob Alwine – Associate Producer, Goodspeed Musicals
• Brenda Braxton – Actor/Author**
• Milly Barranger – Author/Educator
• Suzy Benzinger – Costume Designer
• Luis Castro – Media and Entertainment Executive/Producer
• Dawn Chiang – Lighting Designer
• Patricia Cruz – Executive Director, Harlem Stage/Aaron Davis Hall, Inc.
• Carmen de Lavallade – Choreographer
• Eisa Davis – Actor/Writer/Singer-Songwriter**
• Jerry Dixon – Actor/Director**
• Edgar Dobie – Executive Producer, Arena Stage – Washington, DC
• Judith Dolan – Costume Designer
• Scott Elliott – Director/Artistic Director, The New Group
• John Erman – Director/Producer**
• Tim Federle – Novelist/Playwright
• Peter Jay Fernandez – Actor/Educator
• Scott Frankel – Composer**
• Maija Garcia – Choreographer**
• Anna Glass – Executive Director, Dance Theatre of Harlem
• Mason Granger – Director of Grants, Hearst Foundation
• Katori Hall – Playwright
• Ann Harada – Actor**
• Peter Hedges – Writer
• JoAnn Hunter – Actor/Choreographer**
• Mara Isaacs – Founder and Director, Octopus Theatricals, LLC
• Branden Jacobs-Jenkins – Playwright**
• Michael Kantor – Executive Producer, American Masters
• Anne Keefe – Associate Artist, Westport Country Playhouse
• Michael John LaChiusa – Composer/Lyricist/Librettist
• Priscilla Lopez – Actor**
• Martyna Majok – Playwright**
• John Mauceri – Conductor**
• Tony Meola – Sound Designer
• Jessica Molaskey – Actor
• Sheila Nevins – President, HBO Documentary Films
• Peter Parnell – Playwright/Librettist**
• Rosalba Rolón – Executive Director, Pregones Theater**
• Daphne-Rubin Vega – Actor**
• Paul Rudnick – Playwright/Novelist/Screenwriter/Essayist
• Don Scardino – Actor/Director
• Kimberly Senior –Director**
• Mikki Shepard – Executive Producer, The Apollo Theatre
• Randy Skinner - Choreographer/Director
• Ellen Sorrin – Director, The George Balanchine Trust
• Jessica Stone – Actor/Director
• Mark Wendland – Scenic Designer**
• Evan Yionoulis – Director

I count 26 (female names).  Many of these are people of color.   Many of them are members of the LGBTQ+ community or strong supporters.    The are all masters of their crafts and I would assume took the task of nominating very seriously.      They are hardly old, white, straight men.   

BTW--I do agree that we have major issues in this country with old white straight men dominating culture and decisions.   But, the nominations of the Tony Awards is really not one of them.   

[LuPita2]

Posted: 5/1/19 at 7:21pm

I just wanted to say a special thank you to the massive fans of Pretty Woman and Gettin' The Band Back Together. I like that you chose to not start a thread complaining about their zero nominations. 

Hugzzzzzzzzzz

[BalconyClub]

Posted: 5/1/19 at 7:37pm

L O L !

I just spit out my chocolate peanut butter shake!

 

[UncleCharlie]

Posted: 5/1/19 at 8:07pm

LuPita2 said: "I just wanted to say a special thank you to the massive fans of Pretty Woman and Gettin' The Band Back Together.I like that you chose to not start a thread complaining about their zero nominations.

Hugzzzzzzzzzz"

Actually I was about to start one for Pretty Woman. No nominations? Are you kidding me? It's like they're saying to hookers and middle aged white johns this isn't your world. Disgusting. Did they have any hookers on the nominating committee? No, thank you very much. Disgusting. Oh, I said that already. never mind.

[haterobics]

Posted: 5/1/19 at 8:16pm

A Part of It All said: "I was lucky enough to see the show 27 times, both the first preview and final performance too."

Which 11 shows did you miss?

[Matt Rogers]

Posted: 5/1/19 at 9:21pm

A Part of It All said: "It has been a full day and I’m still in shock by the lack of empathy and respect shown by the entire community regarding the utter dismissal of Head Over Heels. This show meant so much to so many people and really spoke to many, yet the show was completely snubbed of any Tony nominations across the board? It’s almost as if they’re saying, “This isn’t your world…” to all people who identify as LGBTQIA+. I’m very tired of old, straight, white, and let’s be real… most likely transphobic men getting to pick what wins and what is written out of history. Bonnie Milligan and Peppermint both deserved nominations and were robbed of winning awards.I’m worried that this show will be forgotten and based off the response to Bonnie’s snub, I am worried she may be disheartened and will leave the industry. I do not want that to happen. I would love to see her in The Prom one day! Also, I would love to see Peppermint onstage again. I think she’d be a fun Paulette in Legally Blonde, the Musical!

I just wanted to start this thread to celebrate the legacy of Head Over Heels and to let any fans of the show to understand that this show WAS the best show on Broadway this season. This show had the BEST message in any recent musical. This show would have won if people gave it a chance.

Do not give up your love for this show. Let its memory live on.

We’ve got the beat! We're mad about YOU!"

Orrrrr.......maybe it’s just a crappy show. Funny you are blaming LGBTQ phobia on this snub, because if that was the case, how did Boys in the Band, Torch Song, The Prom, and Gary all score nominations? 

There was no way Head Over Heels was ever getting nominated. It’s horrible.

[Matt Rogers]

Posted: 5/1/19 at 9:21pm

A Part of It All said: "It has been a full day and I’m still in shock by the lack of empathy and respect shown by the entire community regarding the utter dismissal of Head Over Heels. This show meant so much to so many people and really spoke to many, yet the show was completely snubbed of any Tony nominations across the board? It’s almost as if they’re saying, “This isn’t your world…” to all people who identify as LGBTQIA+. I’m very tired of old, straight, white, and let’s be real… most likely transphobic men getting to pick what wins and what is written out of history. Bonnie Milligan and Peppermint both deserved nominations and were robbed of winning awards.I’m worried that this show will be forgotten and based off the response to Bonnie’s snub, I am worried she may be disheartened and will leave the industry. I do not want that to happen. I would love to see her in The Prom one day! Also, I would love to see Peppermint onstage again. I think she’d be a fun Paulette in Legally Blonde, the Musical!

I just wanted to start this thread to celebrate the legacy of Head Over Heels and to let any fans of the show to understand that this show WAS the best show on Broadway this season. This show had the BEST message in any recent musical. This show would have won if people gave it a chance.

Do not give up your love for this show. Let its memory live on.

We’ve got the beat! We're mad about YOU!"

Orrrrr.......maybe it’s just a crappy show. Funny you are blaming LGBTQ phobia on this snub, because if that was the case, how did Boys in the Band, Torch Song, The Prom, and Gary all score nominations? 

There was no way Head Over Heels was ever getting nominated. It’s horrible.

[Robbie2]

Posted: 5/2/19 at 3:07pm

Matt Rogers said: "A Part of It All said: "It has been a full day and I’m still in shock by the lack of empathy and respect shown by the entire community regarding the utter dismissal of Head Over Heels. This show meant so much to so many people and really spoke to many, yet the show was completely snubbed of any Tony nominations across the board? It’s almost as if they’re saying, “This isn’t your world…” to all people who identify as LGBTQIA+. I’m very tired of old, straight, white, and let’s be real… most likely transphobic men getting to pick what wins and what is written out of history. Bonnie Milligan and Peppermint both deserved nominations and were robbed of winning awards.I’m worried that this show will be forgotten and based off the response to Bonnie’s snub, I am worried she may be disheartened and will leave the industry. I do not want that to happen. I would love to see her in The Prom one day! Also, I would love to see Peppermint onstage again. I think she’d be a fun Paulette in Legally Blonde, the Musical!

I just wanted to start this thread to celebrate the legacy of Head Over Heels and to let any fans of the show to understand that this show WAS the best show on Broadway this season. This show had the BEST message in any recent musical. This show would have won if people gave it a chance.

Do not give up your love for this show. Let its memory live on.

We’ve got the beat! We're mad about YOU!"

Orrrrr.......maybe it’s just a crappy show. Funny you are blaming LGBTQ phobia on this snub, because ifthat was the case, how did Boys in the Band, Torch Song, The Prom, and Gary all score nominations?

There was no way Head Over Heels was ever getting nominated. It’s horrible."

 

Peppermint!? LOL no way was that TONY worthy and yes it was horrible but thought it could get TONY noms for Choreo/Costumes or for Bonnie only!