QueenTwinned, I just think you (I don't literally just mean you but potentially you and others who think similarly) have ideological programming where your toxic US culture has taught you to fight, fight, create conflict, demand, scream, in the misguided belief that it is either morally virtuous or achieves anything......look at your post right there. You need to make it very clear - there are FRAGILE WHITE PEOPLE all around, EVERYONE YOU ARE WHITE AND FRAGILE. You even want to implant the idea that this thread would be full of 'Trump supporters' if they weren't so gay, but you can't help but make the sly homophobic comment ('limp wristed'
. Are you trying to bait people into voting for Trump or whoever his 'replacement' is in 2028? I don't really get the goal.
Well I do get the goal, I think it's likely to satisfy your psychological desire to feel that you are getting back/hurting/insulting 'white people' that you perceive to be upholding systems of oppression. I am sorry that the world is the way it is, yes it ****ing sucks. You didn't ask to be born into this racist world, and I am sorry for that. But white people also didn't ask to be born - and most of them just want to live their damn lives and not hurt anyone or attack anyone or be attacked by anyone. Unfortunately, you are looking to find someone to fight with and that is not productive or useful or healthy.
Unless you start from a mindset at the very beginning that you WANT to get along with others, including white people, you won't. And I don't think you actually do want to get along with anyone - there is no good faith interpretation of these events, there is no discussion, no reason. It's just an emotional fight, fight fight.
The 'ideology' has given you the best talking points that means it is almost impossible for you to respond to criticism or to listen to anyone else. Just think about this for a moment, if you or others say the following it means that it is impossible to be criticised at all:
"Black people can't be racist" (a distraction technique to add technical academic complexity to the term 'racism' which is not used in a popular context at all)
"Fragile white people" (you could say this to literally ANYTHING so it doesn't really mean anything - it is a convenient way to respond to any criticism as if it's unreasonable without actually saying anything meaningful)
"Black people cannot ever be wrong about their experiences of racism" - in a complex world where our standards of what racism is changes frequently, where genuine misunderstandings can happen, where causality can be difficult to infer and we need to think carefully about a number of complex factors before we make conclusions, OF COURSE it is possible someone's perceptions may not match reality. We can't start with the principle that certain groups of people are ALWAYS right - that doesn't reflect the complexity of the world.
This is very much like a religion, where religious people also have a set of responses that conveniently makes their religion immune to all criticism. You can't see that you're ideologically programmed - but if you are introspective enough I think you'll find it inside you. For example in this thread have you once in good faith ever actually sat back and thought about whether what you believe is true or not, what are the limits of it, what are the good faith arguments against your belief system and why have you chosen not to believe it? And then rationally articulated it in a non offensive and unemotional way? I would suggest you're not sitting there rationally thinking about this. Instead, you're feeling it - you feel it - and that's causing you to act the way you are. But you haven't really thought about it. And you have to surely see that the kind of pattern of responses is very self limiting for thought because it doesn't enable to challenge yourself it gives you a get out of jail free card for lazy or sloppy thinking.
And we can all see that you haven't thought about it - because what is being said here often doesn't make logical sense. Patti is accused of being a racist because she called a black woman a bitch, but she also called a white woman a bitch (and in fact if you look at Patti's targets - Andrew Lloyd Webber, Hal Prince etc. they are mainly white people. In fact they are often white men). But when people are trying to highlight these obvious points you keep repeating statements such as the above instead of really thinking about it, it makes you seem crazy emotionally and unreasonable.
The challenging thing about this scenario is it is uncomfortable to suggest that someone's ideas about racism are wrong, especially if they can/have been/are the victim of racism. However, we cannot live in a society where people let these ideas go unchecked because otherwise we will descend into an oppressive dystopia where even the mere suggestion of racism - even if unfair - can have massive social consequences (which is already happening and may have already happened to Patti). This is not a culture that I think anyone wants to live in - so if you insist that you are going to fight, if you insist that you are not going to get along, if you insist to see racism in everything and everyone, if you refuse to be reasonable to respond to any criticism, if you keep insulting, if you keep asking for a fight - well you're going to get a fight. And that is unfortunate, but I don't think we can concede or give in to these culture wars when the consequences are a terrible, hysterical dystopia clouded by emotion, looking for the next witch hunt. It's madness.
Give me claws and a hunch, just away from this bunch.
Updated On: 5/29/25 at 02:29 AM
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