LuPone on McDonald- Page 17

[SmokeyLady]

Posted: 5/28/25 at 8:17pm

Azúcar! said: "The social media reaction is ugly and embarrassing. Theater people are so self involved. No one gives a flying ****. You have all embraced Lupone for exactly who she is for years. I know I have. So don't act surprised. You were ok with it before. The recent article is being used as excuse for you all to kill your own. Like animals. No surprises here. She will come out of this a winner. She already has by just watching you all turn on each other like savages.. I just took a look at Theater Tok and the usual turn on a dimeloosers are foaming at themouth. Sad that this is what their lifeis . That is all they have. "

We once had a very interesting thread that shined the light on how pathetic the theater tok is.  Not sure why it was deleted since they seem to take joy in saying how horrible BWW is.  Not only the sweaty one . Theaterislife and all the other ones are just as bad.  And these are very sad people.  To video themselves being so prissy and self involved .  I used to like broadwaybob .  His latest is pathetic.  They turned on Lupone and now they are turning on themselves. Anyone else following this?

[SmokeyLady]

Posted: 5/28/25 at 8:21pm

And like this thing from Donna Murphy.  Why is she making Audra and Keicia sound like victims?  Why does she have to  publicly stick her nose in?  If she really feels they need her sentiment in any way.. why doesn’t she text them or email them? Purely to humiliate Lupone? Then she is just as bad.    Just phony baloney theater people.  Just venting.
 

Updated On: 5/28/25 at 08:21 PM

[Owen22]

Posted: 5/28/25 at 8:47pm

SteveSanders said: "Having seen John Lithgow again today in Giant, this thread makes me even more appreciative of the delicate tightrope its skillful author and entire cast walk in offering an honest, thought-provoking, and unapologetic exploration of the racist and anti-Semitic beliefs Roald Dahl held. It is everything this thread is not."

I beg to differ. The thesis of that play eventually is: anyone who says they are Pro Palestinian is really an anti-semite at heart.

[rosscoe(au)]

Posted: 5/28/25 at 8:48pm

17 pages and it’s worse than when it was at 11. Some people ( very few ) need to find a hobby that’s not being a key board warrior. 

[east side story]

Posted: 5/28/25 at 8:55pm

SmokeyLady said: "And like this thing from Donna Murphy. Why is she making Audra and Keicia sound like victims? Why does she have to publicly stick her nose in? If she really feels they need her sentiment in any way.. why doesn’t she text them or email them? Purely to humiliate Lupone? Then she is just as bad. Just phony baloney theater people. Just venting.
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Agreed. Entitled to her opinion, certainly, but who woke up today hoping to get Donna Murphy’s official take on this, or anything? We’ll call you when Bette Midler doesn’t feel like doing Tuesdays.
 

Updated On: 5/28/25 at 08:55 PM

[DrMonicaDeMoneco]

Posted: 5/28/25 at 8:57pm

Oooooh now we’re on entitled old white women having several seats!!

this thread is magic!!!

[BrodyFosse123]

Posted: 5/28/25 at 9:00pm

rosscoe(au) said: "17 pages and it’s worse than when it was at 11. Some people ( very few ) need to find a hobby that’s not being a key board warrior."

It’s insane how much available time people have to be this invested on things that have zero to do with them or their lives.  Do any of these people have personal lives or even step outside and see the sun? Similar to those who get so immersed in reality shows and just go ape sh** when crazy things unfold on them. Live your own lives and stop involving yourselves in the lives of strangers or celebrities. Geez. 

[Bette's Turban]

Posted: 5/28/25 at 9:04pm

BrodyFosse123 said: "rosscoe(au) said: "17 pages and it’s worse than when it was at 11. Some people ( very few ) need to find a hobby that’s not being a key board warrior."

It’s insane how much available time people have to be this invested on things that have zero to do with them or their lives. Do any of these people have personal lives or even step outside and see the sun? Similar to those who get so immersed in reality shows and just go ape sh** when crazy things unfold on them. Live your own lives and stop involving yourselves in the lives of strangers or celebrities. Geez."

Let me hand you a mirror.  Don’t be a hypocrite. 

[BrodyFosse123]

Posted: 5/28/25 at 9:27pm

Yo, dumbass. This was my only post on this entire thread. I’ve never once went off on a multi post rant at any time. You really are quite a dumbass, aren’t you?  

[abcd12]

Posted: 5/28/25 at 9:29pm

I’m truly cracking up.
 

Theater TikTok wishes it was this much fun. 

[TotallyEffed]

Posted: 5/28/25 at 9:31pm

The wild thing is this will be forgotten in a few days while everyone waits for the next “reckoning” to freak out about.

[abcd12]

Posted: 5/28/25 at 9:32pm

TotallyEffed said: "The wild thing is this will be forgotten in a few days while everyone waits for the next “reckoning” to freak out about."

You mean the next “watershed moment”.

[TotallyEffed]

Posted: 5/28/25 at 9:37pm

It’s hilarious to me that Patti was attacked just a few months ago for this exact subject. How quickly everyone forgets lol

[Bette's Turban]

Posted: 5/28/25 at 9:44pm

BrodyFosse123 said: "Yo, dumbass. This was my only post on this entire thread. I’ve never once went off on a multi post rant at any time. You really are quite a dumbass, aren’t you?"

See?? This one can’t control her nasty mouth.  Just like Patti.  But.. you know .. it’s Brody being Brody. 

[DrMonicaDeMoneco]

Posted: 5/28/25 at 10:32pm

TotallyEffed said: "The wild thing is this will be forgotten in a few days while everyone waits for the next “reckoning” to freak out about."

EXACTLY. 
amen sistah!

I mean, sister.

white guilt! Ahhhhhhh 

I’ll have several seats.

[Dancingthrulife2]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 1:38am

The gay shade in this thread is utterly devoid of life and dry as the raisin in the sun.

[QueenTwinnied]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 1:41am

There are truly so many fragile white people in here huh...

Kinda feel like a lot of yall would fully be Trump supporters if you weren't born limp wristed. 

[The Distinctive Baritone]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 1:56am

I am really enjoying the virtue signaling and moral outrage about all of this both on social media and this thread. Using the internet to shout “I’M ONE OF THE GOOD GUYS!” into the void is so five years ago.

[binau]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 2:29am

QueenTwinned, I just think you (I don't literally just mean you but potentially you and others who think similarly) have ideological programming where your toxic US culture has taught you to fight, fight, create conflict, demand, scream, in the misguided belief that it is either morally virtuous or achieves anything......look at your post right there. You need to make it very clear - there are FRAGILE WHITE PEOPLE all around, EVERYONE YOU ARE WHITE AND FRAGILE. You even want to implant the idea that this thread would be full of 'Trump supporters' if they weren't so gay, but you can't help but make the sly homophobic comment ('limp wristed'. Are you trying to bait people into voting for Trump or whoever his 'replacement' is in 2028? I don't really get the goal. 

Well I do get the goal, I think it's likely to satisfy your psychological desire to feel that you are getting back/hurting/insulting 'white people' that you perceive to be upholding systems of oppression. I am sorry that the world is the way it is, yes it ****ing sucks. You didn't ask to be born into this racist world, and I am sorry for that. But white people also didn't ask to be born - and most of them just want to live their damn lives and not hurt anyone or attack anyone or be attacked by anyone. Unfortunately, you are looking to find someone to fight with and that is not productive or useful or healthy. 

Unless you start from a mindset at the very beginning that you WANT to get along with others, including white people, you won't. And I don't think you actually do want to get along with anyone - there is no good faith interpretation of these events, there is no discussion, no reason. It's just an emotional fight, fight fight.

The 'ideology' has given you the best talking points that means it is almost impossible for you to respond to criticism or to listen to anyone else. Just think about this for a moment, if you or others say the following it means that it is impossible to be criticised at all:

"Black people can't be racist" (a distraction technique to add technical academic complexity to the term 'racism' which is not used in a popular context at all) 

"Fragile white people" (you could say this to literally ANYTHING so it doesn't really mean anything - it is a convenient way to respond to any criticism as if it's unreasonable without actually saying anything meaningful)

"Black people cannot ever be wrong about their experiences of racism" - in a complex world where our standards of what racism is changes frequently, where genuine misunderstandings can happen, where causality can be difficult to infer and we need to think carefully about a number of complex factors before we make conclusions, OF COURSE it is possible someone's perceptions may not match reality. We can't start with the principle that certain groups of people are ALWAYS right - that doesn't reflect the complexity of the world. 

This is very much like a religion, where religious people also have a set of responses that conveniently makes their religion immune to all criticism. You can't see that you're ideologically programmed - but if you are introspective enough I think you'll find it inside you. For example in this thread have you once in good faith ever actually sat back and thought about whether what you believe is true or not, what are the limits of it, what are the good faith arguments against your belief system and why have you chosen not to believe it? And then rationally articulated it in a non offensive and unemotional way? I would suggest you're not sitting there rationally thinking about this. Instead, you're feeling it - you feel it - and that's causing you to act the way you are. But you haven't really thought about it. And you have to surely see that the kind of pattern of responses is very self limiting for thought because it doesn't enable to challenge yourself it gives you a get out of jail free card for lazy or sloppy thinking. 

And we can all see that you haven't thought about it - because what is being said here often doesn't make logical sense. Patti is accused of being a racist because she called a black woman a bitch, but she also called a white woman a bitch (and in fact if you look at Patti's targets - Andrew Lloyd Webber, Hal Prince etc. they are mainly white people. In fact they are often white men). But when people are trying to highlight these obvious points you keep repeating statements such as the above instead of really thinking about it, it makes you seem crazy emotionally and unreasonable. 

The challenging thing about this scenario is it is uncomfortable to suggest that someone's ideas about racism are wrong, especially if they can/have been/are the victim of racism. However, we cannot live in a society where people let these ideas go unchecked because otherwise we will descend into an oppressive dystopia where even the mere suggestion of racism - even if unfair - can have massive social consequences (which is already happening and may have already happened to Patti). This is not a culture that I think anyone wants to live in - so if you insist that you are going to fight, if you insist that you are not going to get along, if you insist to see racism in everything and everyone, if you refuse to be reasonable to respond to any criticism, if you keep insulting, if you keep asking for a fight - well you're going to get a fight. And that is unfortunate, but I don't think we can concede or give in to these culture wars when the consequences are a terrible, hysterical dystopia clouded by emotion, looking for the next witch hunt. It's madness. 
 

Updated On: 5/29/25 at 02:29 AM

[Bwaygurl2]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 3:24am

QueenTwinnied said: "There are truly so many fragile white people in here huh...

Kinda feel like a lot of yall would fully be Trump supporters if you weren't born limp wristed."

 

Instead of worrying about white fragility (which I do believe is real) maybe focus on your own nasty homophobia.

[Bwaygurl2]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 3:26am

Seventeen pages and no one has used the term "misogynoir"? I'm disappointed in all of you. 

[BrodyFosse123]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 3:39am

[QueenTwinnied]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 4:51am

Bwaygurl2 said: "QueenTwinnied said: "There are truly so many fragile white people in here huh...

Kinda feel like a lot of yall would fully be Trump supporters if you weren't born limp wristed."



Instead of worrying about white fragility (which I do believe is real) maybe focus on your own nasty homophobia."

I am gay. Very gay. Sorry you're so sensitive and can't take a little jokey joke. I'm also white which makes binau's meltdown even funnier! I won't apologize for calling out bad behavior as I see it. 

Clearly I've touched quite a nerve here without even trying. Iconic!

Anyways...Free Palestine!

Updated On: 5/29/25 at 04:51 AM

[Midnight Radio]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 5:40am

Let's also be clear, anyone can be racist, gay people can be homophobic, and women can be misogynistic.

A few people want to speak about white fragility (again, real) while at the same time definitively label LuPone a racist for calling a black woman the same thing she called a white woman in the same article. They are also conveniently ignoring her pointed criticisms of other white colleagues in the same article all together. The apparent message is she can criticize, attack and name call all she wants unless it is a black person, because they are beyond reproach inherently by their skin color. And this is white fragility?

How reductive.

 

Updated On: 5/29/25 at 05:40 AM

[MezzA101]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 9:12am

Mia Farrow Absolutely Adores Patti LuPone: “She Cannot Tell a Lie”

 

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/story/mia-farrow-absolutely-adores-patti-lupone-she-cannot-tell-a-lie