Producers to LOCK OUT the Grinch — Page 2

I just feel sorry for the kids....

A Union-free Broadway will not and should not happen.

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Wasn't there a news conference at 4:00?

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This is resembling an adult (use the word loosely) mudfight.

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Again, how is it stagehands when the League locks you out of your workplace?

Just more proof that it is St. Martins publicity campaign that has shut down Broadway.

Also, to get the scorecard right here, I try to use the term League as much as possible since in essences it is the Theatre owners who are trying to make more money from the show. The Producers are being locked out as well.

Thus the lawsuit begins for the Grinch vs. The Jujamcyn. As stated many times before, the Strike is legal because they were working under contract. Even though the stagehands had a separate contract with The Grinch, the strike is against the League who owns the Theatre.

I just wish there were some empty Theatres they could move their shows too. This is why this is happening. The League has the Producers by the neck as well. How very sad.

Taka- I am sorry if you don't think it is sad for Union Members not to band together in times of trouble. I never meant to "bully" anyone but to make them think and compare their situation to that of others who were struggling with their contracts. To ask people to think of others doesn't seem like bullying to me. It seems like trying to be thoughtful and considerate of those whose Union is the glue that holds and empowers other weaker Unions.

The issue here is very broad and much more far reaching than most people care to venture. I just know that from studying the History of Strikes, their losses and gains, the weaker the Union, the less stable the Economy in general. It is just sad how few really understand this and pick up whatever sound bite tossed at them.

From what I have read and understood, this Union works at somewhat below Market to high Market depending on how much tenure and how many hours an individual is capable and willing to work.

I wonder what is wrong with the workers setting the Market Standard based on their skill and education? Since when is acquiring new skills not an education? Skilled workers hold Certificates of Completion just like College Graduates do. Propaganda and competition has tried to pit one against the other when both are really equal. It just baffles the mind sometimes.

Don't get me wrong, I feel it's sad for the unions, too. But some of the supporters of the Union are so *vicious* that not only do they attack the position of naysayers, but the naysayer themself as well. What I'm wondering is why we can't agree to disagree civilly.


I'm sorry if I'm offending you in any way. It's just that when ever I see someone on this board who supports the producers or who thinks that both sides are acting childish, the union supporters gang up on them.

Regardless of Jujamcyn and their decision today, aren't some people forgetting a simple little fact - Local One struck The Grinch - not the theater, but the SHOW. Pardon my cynicism, but then Local One, after all that bad publicity, then turns around and do this about face - knowing exactly what position it puts Jujamcyn in. As someone pointed out on another board, if Local One had a contract with Grinch which was separate and apart from their normal contract, then when they struck they breached it. As this person posits, there could be legal issues if Jujamcyn allowed the show to go on. I'm sure it will all be sorted out in court - IF it goes to court.

Regardless of who did what to whom when, both parties would seemingly be in breach of contract.

"6. The Grinch Producers will seek an injunction tomorrow to force Jujamcyn to open the doors since he is in breach of contract."

Wouldn't that apply to the many shows in Nederlander houses as well? None of those shows are being produced by the Nederlanders, so why does the Grinch get an exception? I guess my question is, are the stagehands working for the theatre (i.e., they just come into work when there is a new show if asked) or the producers of the show (in which they essentially are contract employees). If the former I am not sure that Jujamcyn can lose the Grinch suit. If the latter than obviously Jujamcyn cannot win.

"wrong. we struck the league of which jujamcyn is a part. the most militant part it seems."

Form what I hear, they are the worst to work for. They must have some Freudian issues there.

Spin it any way you like - Local One struck and the Grinch could not perform, even though Local One had a completely separate agreement regarding that show. After the bad publicity of that action, suddenly the union does an about face and decides they WILL work the St. James and The Grinch. I'm sure people will draw their own conclusions.

"I'm sure people will draw their own conclusions. "

and we have. you are a league sock puppet. easy conclusion.

"The producers of the GRINCH are going to court to get an injunction to be allowed into the theater and so it'll be up to a jugdge to decide whether the valid contract with the producers takes precedence over the expired contract situation with Jujamcyn."

It all boils down to what the contracts (or more appropriately, agreements) say. I would guess that the Agreement between Local 1 and the League would actually take precedence, since ultimately that is who the stagehands are working for, even though their pay is from the show itself. I can't imagine that there isn't a clause in the rental agreement between Jujamcyn and The Grinch regarding work stoppages. I guess we'll find out soon enough.