I think Phantom did better outside the U.S !
As for RENT, I'd be happy if it reaches around $ 60-70 million, which is not impossible if it's a good film with appeal to non-Broadway fans!
Wax Lion wants everyone to remember and be aware that the subject matter in RENT has opened up from the (very limited) stage to a cinematic world. Everything has gotten bigger, including the subject matter. April's suicide scene alone is enough to give this movie an "R" rating.
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Wax Lion
I still can't really grapple with the fact that we'll be seeing that scene.
Wax Lion wants Emcee to know that he saw a hybrid fruit in the market the other day called a "grapple". It was a combo grape/apple. Hmmm.
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Wax Lion
yeah, i can't believe we'll see that too. i think that with rosario, taye, and jesse, there might be more of an initial draw. but i do agree that it has some tough competition with a nov release date. oh, but uf kids keep going back like they do with the bway show, that could pump up the numbers somewhat.
I wonder if it tastes good, Wax Lion!
Emcee doesn't want to see Adam in that scene. She says she's scared it will make her sad.
An R in America usually translates to PG14 in Canada, so people who are 14 will be able to see it here! I highly doubt that it will get an 18A (our highest rating). The last movie that got an 18A here that I saw was TEAM AMERICA: WORLD POLICE, and I don't think RENT will have nearly that much profanity, violence, and (we can hope) puppet nudity.
Movies like American Pie and The Ring got a 14A rating, so I think RENT will get it too.
jera
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Also the film won't do too well in the red states, sadly...
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I don't know if that's necessarily true. I mean yes, some hardcore baptists will probably freak out over the movie, but I feel like there is a lot of republican bias here on this board (which may or may not be warranted)... and I know a few republicans who are catholic who still really appreciate Rent for what it is- a great work of art. Seriously guys, not all republicans are close-minded biggots... I know there are a few of them out there, but I'm sure that there are just as many Democrats are just as crazy.
Basically... it may not do quite as well in some of the red states, but then again, maybe it will? We should all just cross our fingers and hope this film kicks major butt.
I think that when it first opens people are going to be all, "I hate musicals, they're so gay!" Then once reviews, hopefully good, come out and people lsiten to the music they may realize that it's no "Hello, Dolly!"
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i know for sure it will be r rated, i read it in some interview with chris columbus. i still think if the movie is somewhat good it'll do great in the us, i mean the story is just amazing!
but i doubt it'll do very well in europe and other places outside the us, simply NOBODY knows any of the actors, or the play!
but agreeing with the canadian girl, i'm pretty sure in at least germany it wont be rated more than 12. and even with that they are not very strict, my little sister saw american pie at the movies when she was 10.......lol.
i agree..i love the trailer but thats because i'm in love with seasons of love and I can see the songs and scenes that are going to be in the show and it just gives me chills, but to someone whose never seen the show theyre probably like WTF? ...and the story is???. I can see where people would say that and that's why I think that this trailer is good, but they should probably make a new one. I think that RENT will do fairly well at the box office because there are soo many fans out there who will see it, so many, and who will see it over and over and over again-- i know i will. And even with an R rating most kids get in anyways.
"And even with an R rating most kids get in anyways."
Yeah, it's called buying a ticket to HARRY POTTER and sneaking into RENT, which incidently, doesn't help RENT's box office...
i really hope the movie does well. living in the bible belt, i have heard a lot of intrest from non-musical lovers. its such a moving story.
It would be silly to rate it PG-13. Yes, it would appeal to a wider audience but in order to get that PG-13 rating, things would have to have been downplayed.
The topics have been said to be "risque" and lots of little dirty words here and there, but it's honestly nothing you haven't seen on MTV yet.
But that's just it Aigoo. Having not read the final screenplay of the film, I can't say what's added (and do we really need a graphic depiction of April's suicide? A 2 second shot of Roger walking into the bathroom seeing her in a tub filled with red water would suffice IMO), but based on what is in the stage show -- you are precisely right -- it's not really any more gritty or risque then anything we've seen on television.
Opening up the play is a natural. Opening it up to simply make it "darker" isn't necessarily going to make the piece any more vital. As it is, RENT as an all sung movie musical runs the risk of playing like a bad episode of COP ROCK.
SHhhhhshhhshhh....I'm watching the Let's Do Lunch: Bright Lights, Big City video.
ETA: Hee hee. Sherie's so funny at the end. Okay, I'm focused. I know that the screenplay won't be THAT much different. To reiterate what's been said, I think they'll try to stay in the same general "degree" that the stage production is. I'm not 17, but I stand by what I say when it should be rated R. I don't want the movie to be played down just so it can be open to a more wider audience...I'll find SOMEONE to go see it with me.
I may be wrong, but I think this film will do very well, both domestically & internationally, regardless of a PG-13 or R rating. The storyline & the score are targeted to the younger generation --- the late teens & young adults that primarily make up the core audience of today's movie goers..... with lots of dispensable cash on hand. Rent will be the cool, hip movie to see. While I don't see it being the next "Chicago", it certainly won't be the next "Phantom" either.
and if I may add, I don't think anyone expected the film version of "Hedwig & The Angry Inch" (an art-house R-rated glam-homo rock musical movie) to do as well as it did.
Well the difference is that HEDWIG had a $6M budget. RENT is a $40M movie musical, who's core fan base is under 21...
Firstly, grapples taste great! 9 out of 10 Wax Lions prefer them. Secondly, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and speculations, but speculation be damned! The success of RENT can only be measured once it's released. In love, perhaps? And lastly, the script that is posted online should be taken with a giant grain of salt. Many things have changed,(as often they do in this business), since Chris penned that rewrite. No matter how long April's suicide scene lasts, the bottom line is that it's there for impact. Though tastefully executed, it's intense enough for you to sympathetically believe that it, along with the events preceding, would turn Roger Davis into a 7 month recluse. Think about Roger's will to live and who/what his catalysts are as he starts to come out of his shell. What characters; what a roller coaster.
Love,
Wax Lion
Updated On: 7/21/05 at 12:44 PM
Reading this post, I can't help but recall Tiny Toon's infamous post predicting that Brooklyn was going to take Broadway by storm and be the biggest hit on Broadway last season.
I honestly don't care if it's an R rating or not. I'm of age; I can see it if I want.
... However, I do think an R rating would be better-suited to the material. Now, I can go into why I think the movie ratings in this country are ridiculous, but that's an entirely different issue in itself.
As for box office success? Well, there's no way to tell what that will be this early in the game, hm? Although realistically, it'll only rake in a mediocre amount of money--and not just because of the R rating (Hell, I've seen 8 year old kids with their parents in R rated films!). The DVD sales will probably end up more successful.
FAME was an R rated "musical" (of sorts) and I'm pretty sure it was pretty successful. It of course also had the hit soundtrack and hit title song going for it...
Reviews/awards attention will be key to attracting a crowd outside of the normal fan base of the material.
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