#101
Posted: 1/31/12 at 10:41pm
Updated On: 2/27/18 at 10:41 PM
Raven-Symoné to Replace Patina Miller in SISTER ACT — Page 5
#102
Posted: 1/31/12 at 10:53pm
I never said you weren't entitled to your opinion I just think that there are better ways of going about expressing it.
#103
Posted: 1/31/12 at 10:56pm
Your opinion has ZERO validity because you have not seen her entire performance LIVE. Calling her trash based solely on television clips is idiotic.
I read in another thread that you work in a performing arts high school. I feel so sorry for those students. They deserve much better.
And my final words to your troll ass are
DIE, DIE. GOD IN HEAVEN DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Mrs. Lovett
I read in another thread that you work in a performing arts high school. I feel so sorry for those students. They deserve much better.
And my final words to your troll ass are
DIE, DIE. GOD IN HEAVEN DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Mrs. Lovett
Updated On: 1/31/12 at 10:56 PM
#104
Posted: 1/31/12 at 10:58pm
Disliking someone's performance is one thing (anyone who follows these boards knows there are several performers who I don't "get" and I've never been afraid to say so), but resorting to personal attacks by calling them "trashy" (which has a whole other connotation not at all related to the stage) is another matter entirely.
I just don't get where your bitterness comes from. You really seem to have it out for this particular performer. It's kind of laughable, in the sense that it's incredibly pathetic.
I just don't get where your bitterness comes from. You really seem to have it out for this particular performer. It's kind of laughable, in the sense that it's incredibly pathetic.
Updated On: 1/31/12 at 10:58 PM
#105
Posted: 1/31/12 at 10:59pm
I really don't find her talented. Every time I've tried to state that, in a different way, I've been shouted back at.
I honestly believe that she took everything that Whoopi did with the role, threw it completely out the window, and instead made an offensive stereotype of a ghetto Black girl who has to pretend to be a nun. There was nothing "ghetto" about Whoopi's Deloris. I also find her voice extremely grating... pushed so far into her nasal cavity and I think she screams instead of belts. I find her acting extremely fake and schmaltzy and I find the frantic drug-induced hoping around she does during Raise Your Voice to be reminiscent of a crazed Baptist minister. I also find that her eyes look completely glossed over and dead no matter what facial expressions she tries to tie to her "acting"... the eyes never change.
I honestly believe that she took everything that Whoopi did with the role, threw it completely out the window, and instead made an offensive stereotype of a ghetto Black girl who has to pretend to be a nun. There was nothing "ghetto" about Whoopi's Deloris. I also find her voice extremely grating... pushed so far into her nasal cavity and I think she screams instead of belts. I find her acting extremely fake and schmaltzy and I find the frantic drug-induced hoping around she does during Raise Your Voice to be reminiscent of a crazed Baptist minister. I also find that her eyes look completely glossed over and dead no matter what facial expressions she tries to tie to her "acting"... the eyes never change.
#106
I really don't find her talented. Every time I've tried to state that, in a different way, I've been shouted back at.
I honestly believe that she took everything that Whoopi did with the role, threw it completely out the window, and instead made an offensive stereotype of a ghetto Black girl who has to pretend to be a nun. There was nothing "ghetto" about Whoopi's Deloris. I also find her voice extremely grating... pushed so far into her nasal cavity and I think she screams instead of belts. I find her acting extremely fake and schmaltzy and I find the frantic drug-induced hoping around she does during Raise Your Voice to be reminiscent of a crazed Baptist minister. I also find that her eyes look completely glossed over and dead no matter what facial expressions she tries to tie to her "acting"... the eyes never change.
And you're basing all of that on what, exactly? The Tony Awards performance? The clip on The View? You've admitted you've never seen her performance as Deloris, therefore your commentary is entirely invalid.
Posted: 1/31/12 at 11:02pm
I really don't find her talented. Every time I've tried to state that, in a different way, I've been shouted back at.
I honestly believe that she took everything that Whoopi did with the role, threw it completely out the window, and instead made an offensive stereotype of a ghetto Black girl who has to pretend to be a nun. There was nothing "ghetto" about Whoopi's Deloris. I also find her voice extremely grating... pushed so far into her nasal cavity and I think she screams instead of belts. I find her acting extremely fake and schmaltzy and I find the frantic drug-induced hoping around she does during Raise Your Voice to be reminiscent of a crazed Baptist minister. I also find that her eyes look completely glossed over and dead no matter what facial expressions she tries to tie to her "acting"... the eyes never change.
And you're basing all of that on what, exactly? The Tony Awards performance? The clip on The View? You've admitted you've never seen her performance as Deloris, therefore your commentary is entirely invalid.
#107
Posted: 1/31/12 at 11:07pm
Was her Tony performance any different than her performance in the show? How about her performance on The View? How about any clips that exist on YouTube, those different as well?
#108
Posted: 1/31/12 at 11:09pm
The times I saw Patina in Sister Act (actually buying a ticket and watching live) I never found her performance to be offensive, she didn't use any... race cards in her performance. Her performance didn't scream hey guys im black and sassy ghetto chick, as it seems you feel she did in the... videos you've seen.
Now, her talent, yes that is your opinion and no one here is trying to change it... but trashy..?
Now, her talent, yes that is your opinion and no one here is trying to change it... but trashy..?
#109
Posted: 1/31/12 at 11:11pm
Of course, they were different.
I found Victoria Clark offensive. When I saw the 30 second youtube promo.
I found Victoria Clark offensive. When I saw the 30 second youtube promo.
#110
Posted: 1/31/12 at 11:34pm
I am so excited for Raven. She is a star in my generation. She is our "Lucy": the comedic timing, the personality. I love her voice too which I believe has gotten better. I can't wait to see her take on the role. This will definitely make me see it again!!! :)
#111
Posted: 1/31/12 at 11:34pm
I honestly believe that she took everything that Whoopi did with the role, threw it completely out the window, and instead made an offensive stereotype of a ghetto Black girl who has to pretend to be a nun. There was nothing "ghetto" about Whoopi's Deloris.
As has already been stated, you cannot compare Whoopi's performance and Patina's performance since they are TWO DIFFERENT CHARACTERS. The film's Deloris and the stage musical's Deloris are two different characters from different backgrounds, from different places, and from different time periods. The only thing they have in common is that they share the same plot.
In addition, Patina did not make Deloris "ghetto." The writers did. You would have known this if, you know, you would have SEEN THE SHOW.
You're entitled to whatever opinion you have of Patina's performances from whatever clips you have seen. And you're entitled to be discouraged from seeing the show based on those performances if that is how you feel. But it's foolish for you to expect the musical to be the movie. It's not. It's an adaptation based on the film. It doesn't try to be the film. And it doesn't promote itself as being identical to the film.
I suggest you go see the show. It's a lot of fun. Maybe you'll like it in a different way than you enjoyed the film.
And one final note while I'm on the soapbox: there is absolutely nothing in the script of DREAMGIRLS that states that the character of Effie is fat or "big" UNTIL the middle of the show where Curtis says "you're getting fatter all the time." Productions of DREAMGIRLS (both on Broadway and off) have cast actresses who were skinny or "not big." The originator of the role, Jennifer Hudson, was a bigger person and her performance became legendary. Thus, that role became iconic as a being played by someone who is "big." But it is not a role requirement. Based on type (ignoring the talent argument), Patina Miller could surely play Effie.
As has already been stated, you cannot compare Whoopi's performance and Patina's performance since they are TWO DIFFERENT CHARACTERS. The film's Deloris and the stage musical's Deloris are two different characters from different backgrounds, from different places, and from different time periods. The only thing they have in common is that they share the same plot.
In addition, Patina did not make Deloris "ghetto." The writers did. You would have known this if, you know, you would have SEEN THE SHOW.
You're entitled to whatever opinion you have of Patina's performances from whatever clips you have seen. And you're entitled to be discouraged from seeing the show based on those performances if that is how you feel. But it's foolish for you to expect the musical to be the movie. It's not. It's an adaptation based on the film. It doesn't try to be the film. And it doesn't promote itself as being identical to the film.
I suggest you go see the show. It's a lot of fun. Maybe you'll like it in a different way than you enjoyed the film.
And one final note while I'm on the soapbox: there is absolutely nothing in the script of DREAMGIRLS that states that the character of Effie is fat or "big" UNTIL the middle of the show where Curtis says "you're getting fatter all the time." Productions of DREAMGIRLS (both on Broadway and off) have cast actresses who were skinny or "not big." The originator of the role, Jennifer Hudson, was a bigger person and her performance became legendary. Thus, that role became iconic as a being played by someone who is "big." But it is not a role requirement. Based on type (ignoring the talent argument), Patina Miller could surely play Effie.
"The Spectacle has, indeed, an emotional attraction of its own, but, of all the parts, it is the least artistic, and connected least with the art of poetry. For the power of Tragedy, we may be sure, is felt even apart from representation and actors. Besides, the production of spectacular effects depends more on the art of the stage machinist than on that of the poet."
--Aristotle
--Aristotle
#112
Posted: 1/31/12 at 11:39pm
CapnHook, the original Effie White was Jennifer Holliday, not Jennifer Hudson.
Tonya Pinkins: Then we had a "Lot's Wife" last June that was my personal favorite. I'm still trying to get them to let me sing it at some performance where we get to sing an excerpt that's gone.
Tony Kushner: You can sing it at my funeral.
Tony Kushner: You can sing it at my funeral.
#113
Posted: 1/31/12 at 11:40pm
I am so excited for Raven. She is a star in my generation. She is our "Lucy": the comedic timing, the personality. I love her voice too which I believe has gotten better. I can't wait to see her take on the role. This will definitely make me see it again!!! :)
That's like saying Ke$ha is this generation's Judy Garland.
That's like saying Ke$ha is this generation's Judy Garland.
#114
Posted: 1/31/12 at 11:40pm
And the project was conceived for Nell Carter. An overweight actress.
#115
Posted: 1/31/12 at 11:40pm
Seriously who let bobby out of his cage? Really I cannot understand your affixiated hatred of Patina. She is a talented performer and basing her talent level off of a tony performance is moronic. Plus, it was a damn good tony performance.
#116
Posted: 1/31/12 at 11:43pm
"She is a talented performer and basing her talent level off of a tony performance is moronic. Plus, it was a damn good tony performance."
Let me get this straight. You find her talented. You find her Tony performance "damn good".
I find her Tony performance atrocious. Yet, I am not allowed to judger her based on that clip. Clearly, by association, if one loves her Tony performance they will love her in the whole show. If one doesn't, then the odds are they won't enjoy sitting through 2 and a half hours of her.
Let me get this straight. You find her talented. You find her Tony performance "damn good".
I find her Tony performance atrocious. Yet, I am not allowed to judger her based on that clip. Clearly, by association, if one loves her Tony performance they will love her in the whole show. If one doesn't, then the odds are they won't enjoy sitting through 2 and a half hours of her.
#117
Posted: 1/31/12 at 11:43pm
Oopsie. Excuse the type.
PS: with all the talk of DREAMGIRLS, I really miss "MargoChanning." May he RIP. One of the rare few sane and universally respected posters we've had on these boards and it's threads like these where his informative, wise, eloquent, collected thoughts are missed the most.
PS: with all the talk of DREAMGIRLS, I really miss "MargoChanning." May he RIP. One of the rare few sane and universally respected posters we've had on these boards and it's threads like these where his informative, wise, eloquent, collected thoughts are missed the most.
"The Spectacle has, indeed, an emotional attraction of its own, but, of all the parts, it is the least artistic, and connected least with the art of poetry. For the power of Tragedy, we may be sure, is felt even apart from representation and actors. Besides, the production of spectacular effects depends more on the art of the stage machinist than on that of the poet."
--Aristotle
--Aristotle
#119
Posted: 1/31/12 at 11:46pm
I am making my comment about patina's talent based off of her entire performance, I just added in my opinion of her tony performance as an afterthought. obviously that did not come off clearly. You, however, are basing your opinion off of a very limited range of clips. I can understand seeing some video clips and saying to to yourself: "hmmm I doubt I would like this show, maybe I should stay away from it." But an all out rampage on a performer you haven't seen is ridiculous.
Updated On: 1/31/12 at 11:46 PM
#120
Posted: 1/31/12 at 11:51pm
I can easily see Patina replacing Nikki M. James in "Book of Mormon" in spring 2013. maybe she can start the tour as Nabulungi??
A Chorus Line revival played its final Broadway performance on August 17, 2008. The tour played its final performance on August 21, 2011. A new non-equity tour started in October 2012 played its final performance on March 23, 2013. Another non-equity tour launched on January 20, 2018. The tour ended its US run in Kansas City and then toured throughout Japan August & September 2018.
#121
Posted: 1/31/12 at 11:53pm
Patina looks much to old to be playing a teenager.
#122
Posted: 1/31/12 at 11:55pm
If I hadn't already seen and loved Idina Menzel in Wicked, I would have been turned off by her undeniably atrocious Tony performance. You really can't judge from one clip. If you actually see Patina in Sister Act and still hate her, then your opinion will be valid.
#123
Posted: 2/1/12 at 12:06am
"You may think that. I disagree. I think she's trash."
You must really have something against this woman other than her performance. I saw the show this evening for the second time and she is still blowing the roof off of the theater. Her performance has also gotten better since I saw the show in previews.
And what do you know about ghetto?
You must really have something against this woman other than her performance. I saw the show this evening for the second time and she is still blowing the roof off of the theater. Her performance has also gotten better since I saw the show in previews.
And what do you know about ghetto?
Just give the world Love. - S. Wonder
#124
Posted: 2/1/12 at 12:16am
ujrdude is correct I was 11 when That's So Raven started and I watched like every episode when I loved Raven so I'm definitely seeing her I think they made the correct decision in hiring her. Singing I feel is the only iffy part to the casting, but I feel like she'll act the part well.
#125
Posted: 2/1/12 at 12:41am
After seeing Bobby's previous posts in other threads, I think he is the real trashy one.
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