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[Pootie2]

Posted: 3/12/16 at 12:18pm

ljay889 said: "We had a list thread last night and some names were being added who weren't outright suggesting we be shut down. If we were able to have a list it should only be those performers who support shutting us down with an example tweet/link.  "

 

That seems best.

 

Craig, your producers-banning-viewers is a completely off-base example because Broadway is still a business, and the business is going to rely on ticket sales and word of mouth, for which these boards are still a major source. They need the fans here. But as someone else said earlier, none of us need them.

[Craig]

Posted: 3/12/16 at 12:23pm

My point is clear - it's inappropriate for either party to have a blacklist.  

Really - what's the true objection here?  The fact that you're taking this very personally says volumes.  I find it hard to believe that any rational person believes that some posters here and/or some posts here are completely acceptable.

People got called out for being rude. It's NO different than when posters here call out others or performers for being rude. End of story. I don't care which side of the stage you're on. You're still a human being. 

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 3/12/16 at 12:23pm

I mean, I didn't start that list thread, but it was certainly contextualized in its first post.   And - after all this scolding and fingerwagging - it violated no board rules.  How can you obey unwritten rules that seem to change at the caprices of whomever  has control of the delete button at the time?

 

ETA:  this is not taking things personally.  No more personally than tweets like Pasquale and Murin's  indeed, a lot LESS personally  

 

 

 

 

Updated On: 3/12/16 at 12:23 PM

[ghostlight2]

Posted: 3/12/16 at 12:25pm

Kad said: "But to an outside observer, it looks like Nixon's enemy list.

 

Broadway Joe said: "That's not a good comparison. 

 

You're right, Joe. It's much more like McCarthy's list.

[ClydeBarrow]

Posted: 3/12/16 at 12:32pm

Patti is so brave and should run for President. Let's all just stop talking about her now. If we don't then the terrorists win. 

[Pootie2]

Posted: 3/12/16 at 12:34pm

Craig said: "My point is clear - it's inappropriate for either party to have a blacklist.  

Really - what's the true objection here?  The fact that you're taking this very personally says volumes.  I find it hard to believe that any rational person believes that some posters here and/or some posts here are completely acceptable.

People got called out for being rude. It's NO different than when posters here call out others or performers for being rude. End of story. I don't care which side of the stage you're on. You're still a human being. "

 

Not all the example quotes were objectionable; the vast majority of posts on the Nerds threads were sympathetic to the cast and crew for the show closing. It's convenient to ignore all the positive posts, isn't it? The objection is taking "evidence" like that and painting very generally across discussion forums. The objection is that some performers who "should" engage fans understand nothing about a social online community venue and are calling for its shutdown due to a couple conveniently cherry-picked quotes. People here who call each other out for being rude aren't demanding that their accounts be deleted, since that's what the ignore feature is for; the simple question is, why can't performers ignore? The whole "rude" thing in general is itself a difficult topic because so many self-appointed artists are over-sensitive to criticism and take everything personally as well (but they shouldn't be in the business at all).

[JM226]

Posted: 3/12/16 at 12:38pm

for someone who accuses us of taking this so personally, it seems CRAIG is actually the one taking it very personally. making it his sole mission to defend actors who are unfairly trashing an entire population of people.  you cannot have it both ways.  if you want to accuse posters on here of being rude or classless or inconsiderate, then fine. do that. but you must also call out the actors on twitter, instagram and tumblr who are doing the SAME EXACT THING right now.   you are trying to play both sides but your bias is maddening so you just fail in the end. 

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 3/12/16 at 12:39pm

ghostlight2 said: "Kad said: "But to an outside observer, it looks like Nixon's enemy list.

 

 Broadway Joe said: "That's not a good comparison. 

 

 You're right, Joe. It's much more like McCarthy's list."

 

Come on, guys.  

 

[Broadway Joe]

Posted: 3/12/16 at 12:40pm

 

Craig said: "My point is clear - it's inappropriate for either party to have a blacklist.  

 

Really - what's the true objection here?  The fact that you're taking this very personally says volumes.  I find it hard to believe that any rational person believes that some posters here and/or some posts here are completely acceptable.

 

People got called out for being rude. It's NO different than when posters here call out others or performers for being rude. End of story. I don't care which side of the stage you're on. You're still a human being. 

 

"

I don't think it speaks volumes at all and unless someone is so bored to search through all my posts I can't recall that I've ever attacked or been out right rude to anyone on here except to Patti now. I have no problem with people saying how they feel no matter how negative or positive their posts are. 

 

If I don't like what someone posts I just skip over it or respond to it, I don't cry about it. 

 

What bothers me the most is I don't want censorship on here to the point where nothing negative is allowed to be said. I work very hard for the money I make and I have no desire to waste it on seeing actors who are absolutely clueless when it comes to their actions.

 

I try to see every Broadway show that opens so skipping a few by actors who don't deserve my money is fine by me at this point. 

Updated On: 3/12/16 at 12:40 PM

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 3/12/16 at 12:46pm

Actually, maybe the McCarthy stuff  tracks.  It should certainly be said that the PattiGate ringleaders are acting like supporters at a Trump rally. 

 

/not taking it personally, also not calling for deletions

[Broadway Joe]

Posted: 3/12/16 at 12:46pm

JM226 said: "for someone who accuses us of taking this so personally, it seems CRAIG is actually the one taking it very personally. making it his sole mission to defend actors who are unfairly trashing an entire population of people.  you cannot have it both ways.  if you want to accuse posters on here of being rude or classless or inconsiderate, then fine. do that. but you must also call out the actors on twitter, instagram and tumblr who are doing the SAME EXACT THING right now.   you are trying to play both sides but your bias is maddening so you just fail in the end. 

 

"

 

Exactly, Patti thanked someone for their support  who said that they wished we all died in a fire. The stupidity alone in her doing that is simply amazing. She's fine with negativity and awful words as long as it supports her issues. She's a joke and I'll never give her a single dollar of my money. 

Updated On: 3/12/16 at 12:46 PM

[Margo319]

Posted: 3/12/16 at 12:51pm

"The people who bear the worst of the talk are the members themselves. That is worthy of being addressed."

So much THIS.  The people commenting on the list were being bitchy, catty, and snarky.  Those POSTERS should be addressed, warned, and banned (finally).  They are the problem.  They are the people that the Broadway community loathes.  It's not the people who are respectful and don't threaten/bully/verbally abuse on here.  It''s the small population of abusers who think it's ok to make a black list.  Ban them. That's a start.  

[Craig]

Posted: 3/12/16 at 12:54pm

Posting one more time in this thread and then no more.

I'm not biased. And I can't be the only one that can see beyond Patti's personal complaint and how it related to her (NERDS) to see the bigger picture. Because even Patti commented that its something she wanted to post a long time but was so inspired only after it hit right close to home re: Nerds.   It really doesn't matter what the impetus to right was. There were elements of her post that are 100% valid. Just like there are comments some of you have made which are 100% valid.  If everyone can remove emotions from the conversation for a moment I believe that one "side" would see that the good outweighs the bad and that a "ban" on the message board makes no sense. And on the other "side" would see that self (and BWW led) moderation makes perfect sense as well as trying to find the right words - vs any words - to state your opinion.

That's my final parting thought in this thread.

[ghostlight2]

Posted: 3/12/16 at 12:56pm

"Actually, maybe the McCarthy stuff  tracks.  It should certainly be said that the PattiGate ringleaders are acting like supporters at a Trump rally."

 

In truth, I was mostly joking, Phyl.I wasn't even sure anyone would get the reference. I find it hard to take any of this seriously - on either side, but in particular, the reaction of some on this board being told that the rules that have been in place for over a decade will finally start being enforced.

 

I wonder how different the reaction would have been it the change hadn't been tied to Patti's little screed.

 

 

[Margo319]

Posted: 3/12/16 at 12:57pm

"What bothers me the most is I don't want censorship on here to the point where nothing negative is allowed to be said. I work very hard for the money I make and I have no desire to waste it on seeing actors who are absolutely clueless when it comes to their actions."

 

I really don't think that is what they want.  You can criticize a performance or show without being nasty, catty, bitchy, or verbally abusive.  I'm thinking they just don't want horrible, degrading things said about them.  Just like in any other job.   

[Margo319]

Posted: 3/12/16 at 1:00pm

"From now on users who are suspended will have that listed under their names on threads."

 

Very cool.  Thanks Alan.

[adamgreer]

Posted: 3/12/16 at 1:03pm

Interesting that someone who admittedly hasn't posted on the site for years suddenly emerges out of the woodwork to vehemently defend them. 

[10086sunset]

Posted: 3/12/16 at 1:07pm

Broadway Joe said:

"Exactly, Patti thanked someone for their support  who said that they wished we all died in a fire. The stupidity alone in her doing that is simply amazing. She's fine with negativity and awful words as long as it supports her issues. She's a joke and I'll never give her a single dollar of my money. 

 

"

Wow. How is this acceptable? 

All because her show got cancelled? 

Appreciate her blaming us for something we had no control over.

[dramamama611]

Posted: 3/12/16 at 1:11pm

That's not at all what she did.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 3/12/16 at 1:13pm

So the board will have a "blacklist" for its own members, but there's something morally wrong about having one for performers who don't know how the internet works?

[ljay889]

Posted: 3/12/16 at 1:14pm

Phyllis Rogers Stone said: "So the board will have a "blacklist" for its own members, but there's something morally wrong about having one for performers who don't know how the internet works?

"

Isn't that incredible? #ThanksPatti

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 3/12/16 at 1:17pm

This whole reaction, over reaction, and clutching at pearls just made me think ... oh deer.

 

[Petralicious]

Posted: 3/12/16 at 1:17pm

CarlosAlberto said: "LMAO!!! The lot of you got called out on your ish and the theater community is friggin' up in arms, and now some of you are even crying about it

Some of you need to man up,  suck it up and keep it movin'....

 

"Totally!! What is the funny are the people who are  complaining  and whining that Patti and friends are whining  and complaining about their nastiness ! They are often the ones who nasty  attack other posters and stars.

[Broadway Joe]

Posted: 3/12/16 at 1:17pm

Phyllis Rogers Stone said: "So the board will have a "blacklist" for its own members, but there's something morally wrong about having one for performers who don't know how the internet works?

 

"

Amazing isn't it. Plus it's not like whoever gets banned won't just sign up with a new name and email. We have seen it countless times over the years with some posters. 

 

[bdwaygirl]

Posted: 3/12/16 at 1:21pm

YWIW...LOL!!