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[ClydeBarrow]

Posted: 3/11/16 at 5:29pm

I have a serious question and I think it is very relevant. How many shows does Patti see in a year? If she's in a show I get that it's harder for her but I looked through her Twitter and it looks like all she does is live-blog tv shows and tweet about #National_______Day for whichever made up occasion it is. If she wants to talk to us about how she supports theatre by seeing it and not just speaking as the vox populi for the community then I'll get on board with that.

 

I can guarantee that the majority of those of us on this board are more passionate about theatre than she is. We are the ones that buy tickets to shows. We have opinions and express them. We make jokes and some people laugh at them while others clutch their pearls in horror. Not everyone will have the same reactions but that's the whole point. If everyone just talked about rainbows and gumdrops all day it'd be pretty boring. 

 

Apologies if other people have said already had similar sentiments but this has been endless and I might have forgotten.

[ChildofEarth]

Posted: 3/11/16 at 5:29pm

Broadway Joe said: "If these boards actually  get removed or so heavily censored that no negative comments are allowed I'll find a new website to come to and have a small list of actors who I will never give my money to again. "

^^^^^^^^

[LizzieCurry]

Posted: 3/11/16 at 5:31pm

That's not actually the hashtag.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/BwayMessageBORED?src=hash

[Theater_Nerd]

Posted: 3/11/16 at 5:33pm

Thanks for the correction LizzieCurry and for not being snarky about it too.

 

I'm looking at you WaltG2.

 

 

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 3/11/16 at 5:33pm

^ A roaring success, I see.

[tazber]

Posted: 3/11/16 at 5:33pm

Why did they post the comment about Hamilton prices? Are they making fun of her?

 

 

[bk]

Posted: 3/11/16 at 5:34pm

Want to level the playing field?  Forget the abuse button - take away the anonymity and make people post under their real names.  I guarantee you things would be different here.

[Theater_Nerd]

Posted: 3/11/16 at 5:35pm

bk said: "Want to level the playing field?  Forget the abuse button - take away the anonymity and make people post under their real names.  I guarantee you things would be different here."

 

Yes. I think that would be the ultimate "game changer". 

 

 

 

[10086sunset]

Posted: 3/11/16 at 5:35pm

All we are doing is giving Miss Murin and the cancelled show free publicity. 

At the end of the day, we are not to blame for the show selling "zero tickets," to borrow from Mr. Riedel. 

I'm still waiting for Miss Murin's attack on Mr. Riedel. 

[WaltG2]

Posted: 3/11/16 at 5:36pm

Theater_Nerd said: "Thanks for the correction LizzieCurry and for not being snarky about it too.

 

 

 

I'm looking at you WaltG2."

 

What was that about not being snarky?

 

Let me guess, you took your lessons from Patti? "Snark is bad, unless you're the one being snarky. Then it's good!"

 

[Theater_Nerd]

Posted: 3/11/16 at 5:39pm

Note to self:

 

Be good to people.

Even the shitty ones.

Let the assholes be assholes.

You'll sleep better.

 

 

 

 

Updated On: 3/11/16 at 05:39 PM

[WaltG2]

Posted: 3/11/16 at 5:40pm

Theater_Nerd said: "@WaltG2: Nice try. I leave you to your own "devices" or lack thereof. "

 

I'm not trying anything. "I'm looking at you" is Snark 101.

[Theater_Nerd]

Posted: 3/11/16 at 5:41pm

  

Updated On: 3/11/16 at 05:41 PM

[Broadway Joe]

Posted: 3/11/16 at 5:42pm

bk said: "Want to level the playing field?  Forget the abuse button - take away the anonymity and make people post under their real names.  I guarantee you things would be different here.

 

"

What an awful idea. I have no desire to have my full name out here just so people can read how much I hated or loved a show. I would find another board. 

I also rarely post but I come here every day to read everyones posts. The vast majority of people who post here are fantastic and give great reviews of shows even if they hated the show. 

[CarlosAlberto]

Posted: 3/11/16 at 5:46pm

LMAO!!! The lot of you got called out on your ish and the theater community is friggin' up in arms, and now some of you are even crying about it.

 

Some of you need to man up,  suck it up and keep it movin'....

[WaltG2]

Posted: 3/11/16 at 5:50pm

CarlosAlberto said: "LMAO!!! The lot of you got called out on your ish and the theater community is friggin' up in arms, and now some of you are even crying about it.

 

 

 

Some of you need to man up,  suck it up and keep it movin'...."

 

I'm pretty sure you don't know what crying looks like.

[Hairspray0901]

Posted: 3/11/16 at 5:52pm

I feel like this is silencing BroadwayWorld posters of having any negative opinions. Unless they're positive, we will get reported on. Stupid. 

I was never a fan of Lea Salonga but after she called people here "b*tches" I will officially never be a fan. 

I think all of the praise Patti is getting from the "broadway" community is interesting. Do they not realize most of us here spend $$$ on their shows? We have opinions, good or bad. They literally get critiqued as a profession but they have a problem with people here having negative opinions about their shows or performances? Give me a break. I think this board does need an ounce more of kindness but I think this whole thing is being blown out of proportion.

[Pootie2]

Posted: 3/11/16 at 5:56pm

CarlosAlberto said: "LMAO!!! The lot of you got called out on your ish and the theater community is friggin' up in arms, and now some of you are even crying about it.

 

Some of you need to man up,  suck it up and keep it movin'...."

 

Not really. Her examples were pretty weak in trying to support her arguments, save only those about Kimball. But you clearly didn't read anything, just like Murin didn't either.

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No other message board requires identity disclosure, that I know of anyway. But it doesn't matter. People will just move to ATC or Reddit or some other venue to discuss shows and performances and performers and the business in the great heated passion that happens in a fandom. These Broadway performers are literally trying to take on the discussion board social culture that has existed since internet was born. It's a losing battle for them, and for Rob if he decides to do anything further than the report link (because people will leave, and ad revenues will decline).

 

I like Reddit overall, but their setup isn't great maintaining discussion threads because nothing is bumped with a new post.

[wonkit]

Posted: 3/11/16 at 6:18pm

Doesn't it all come back to - if you are sensitive to the comments of total strangers, don't go to any of the boards to see what they think of you? I don't even know who this Patti Murin person is, but I will be dam*ed if I am going to let her feelings somehow change how I express myself. Isn't this the same "safe space" argument" that has killed free speech on many campuses? Rob is trying to control matters but he isn't anybody's daddy on here, not even Patti's.

[Craig]

Posted: 3/11/16 at 6:27pm

Hairspray0901 said: "I feel like this is silencing BroadwayWorld posters of having any negative opinions. Unless they're positive, we will get reported on. Stupid. I was never a fan of Lea Salonga but after she called people here "b*tches" I will officially never be a fan. I think all of the praise Patti is getting from the "broadway" community is interesting. Do they not realize most of us here spend $$$ on their shows? We have opinions, good or bad. They literally get critiqued as a profession but they have a problem with people here having negative opinions about their shows or performances? Give me a break. I think this board does need an ounce more of kindness but I think this whole thing is being blown out of proportion."

Nothing has or is really changing.  There are forum guidelines - and perhaps the moderators have been more lax. Or perhaps there's been less reporting of late.

But the latter half of your argument holds little water.  There's nothing stopping from critiquing.  Patti and other members of the community know well enough that they are open to criticism from the public.  But there's a difference between saying you didn't like someone's performance and writing that their voice is like 1,000 razor blades piercing your throat and then having alcohol thrown on it.  

We are all people. All human.  And people should be treated with some level of respect. I am pretty sure none of the actors that get so flamed here personally injured you or came over to your house and killed your puppy. There's no need for extreme nastiness. And sometimes - that's what is showcased here.

Further - it's hypocritical that those hiding behind screen names (and that is fine - but own it) to get annoyed for getting called out for it.  Your REAL name isn't being dragged through anything - unlike some of these performers.

I remember several years ago that a performer was hurt by some things being said about their latest production.  That performer PRIVATELY PMd a few members here who were OUTRAGED because they felt "violated" by the performer since he personally reached out to them.  The performer wasn't mean or rude - he just wanted to take the conversation offline.

What you write lives forever on the internet. Perhaps more people - even being anonymous - should behave as though they would stand behind those words if their name was attached.  Further - much of what is actually being criticized about in regards to what posters write are statements no one would EVER make to someone's face.  

Lastly (sorry this is so long) but I am sure the moderators here would get plenty of notifications if another poster here was ripping into them personally on a regular basis.  And that - again - is under anonymity. It's not even "you" who is being ripped apart - but some online persona.  It doesn't have to be rainbows and puppy dogs here... but it's not unrealistic to want to raise the level of conversation and interaction here to a human level.

/end rant

 

[Hellob]

Posted: 3/11/16 at 6:27pm

bk said: "Want to level the playing field?  Forget the abuse button - take away the anonymity and make people post under their real names.  I guarantee you things would be different here.

 

"

Why would it change the way you talked about actors or shows? It might make posters be nicer to each other but why would anyone care if an actor saw you talking smack under a real name? 

[Pootie2]

Posted: 3/11/16 at 6:28pm

wonkit said: "Doesn't it all come back to - if you are sensitive to the comments of total strangers, don't go to any of the boards to see what they think of you? I don't even know who this Patti Murin person is, but I will be dam*ed if I am going to let her feelings somehow change how I express myself. Isn't this the same "safe space" argument" that has killed free speech on many campuses? Rob is trying to control matters but he isn't anybody's daddy on here, not even Patti's."

 

Has a movie star ever tried to shut down social media venues like discussion forums? I honestly don't how they can even begin to have any legal footing without proving libel.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 3/11/16 at 6:31pm

Paul Wontorek ‏@PaulWontorek  15m15 minutes ago

For the record, we killed @broadwaycom message boards back in 2002 cause I didn't want our name associated with all that...crap. @PattiMurin

 

You have no problem conning innocent suckers out of hundreds of dollars in outrageous fees, though.

 

[ljay889]

Posted: 3/11/16 at 6:36pm

Haven't been following this thread, have we discussed the Times article about this?

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 3/11/16 at 6:37pm

^ Briefly, but everything's already been said, I think!