Spider man closing.... enough said — Page 4

I suspect Spiderman will open around the same time Craig Bierko rejoins 'Matilda'...

"The detail of those additional expenses must belong either in the category initial investment or running/on-going costs. It is easy.

They don't, and I explained why.

The only issue here is that we don't know the detail

Those details are the difference between 67% paid back and 0% paid back. If you don't understand everywhere the money goes before the investors see a dime, then no, you don't "get it."

On a very basic level, I'm sure we all understand how the stock market works, too. You invest some money, when the market does well, you get more money. But I am not going to post on a message board full of stockbrokers, pretending I know all about it and say, "What? It's basic math, lol.""

No one wants to hear it, Yero, especially the Internet experts. Thank you for you good posts and perhaps people can learn from them when they're not too busy being "offended" by me :)

Saw it and found it to be visually stunning. Only 2 good songs and a not so great book. But I am glad I saw it. Carney singing "Boy Falls From Sky" was one of my favorites that year. JMO

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Long story short from what I got told by a reliable source. Kong wanted the Broadway but didn't want to bump out Cindy and figured they'd wait out the Foxwoods (since we all knew Spiderman's days were numbered). Now that Kong doesn't seem to be making and progress towards Broadway, The Bodyguard wants the Foxwoods.

Updated On: 11/19/13 at 07:53 PM

Lord of The Rings anyone not the greatest musical but I do love the score. but Jerry Springer Please I want to see it.

Yero. That's exactly right. The detail is extremely important. The main point of my argument is the following:

Although the detail is important to precisely estimate the net profit of a show, at a high level the process that Bwayto was using to estimate the show's profit was correct. The reason his estimate was incorrect was because he didn't have knowledge of this low-level detail, not because he didn't have knowledge at a high level. Thus, I think BK's slagging that Bwayto "knows nothing" was a complete overreaction. Bwayto understood at a high level that the net profit is a result of a simple calculation - revenue minus expenses. There is no need to pretend that calculating the net profit of a show is anything more complicated than this. It's really just about the detail of what is included in the calculation.


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Now, if we are to go down into an extra level of detail there are two categories of expenses, the costs associated to mount a show on a stage and the costs associated with keeping the show playing night after night. I don't believe there is any need to overcomplicate this and suggest there are other categories of expenses at this level. You listed two examples of expenses, which was a great contribution thank you - but this level of detail was at a lower level than how bwayto was looking at the grosses. For example:


1. Royalty expenses as an percentage of weekly profit. This expense can be categorised as an expense associated with keeping the show running night after night.

2. Loans associated with unforeseen legal issues, rewriting, delayed previews etc. These expenses can be categorised as expenses associated with mounting a show on a stage.


The only issue here is that bwayto did not know what the specific expenses were associated with mounting and running Spider-Man. He understood at a high-level what was involved in determining whether a show makes a profit or not. BK's pretentious, arrogant post in relation to Bwayto's calculation is everything I hate about some older people. A thoughtless dismissal of a person's argument because they are young rather than actually carefully thinking about the process to which the argument was made and the specific detail of where the argument was wrong.

Now, it would have been useful if BK could have provided some of the detail associated with the Spider-Man expenses. While his estimate was closer than Bwayto's he was still off by 15 million. So it seems, BK, your only contribution to this thread was to demonstrate what a bitter old man you are. Pretty useless if you ask me.

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Updated On: 11/20/13 at 04:18 AM

It might not have been the worst show in the world but it had the worst score. Something they never tried to fix. I hope this keeps Bono away from Broadway for awhile.

"I hope this keeps Bono away from Broadway for awhile."

Bono has always been "away from Broadway," that was a huge part of the problem.

I love U2, but if you're the draw for a show like this, you can't be on tour when it is in previews.

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why on earth would they(or anyone else) want to mount this show anywhere else(Vegas, Germany, Japan, etc.)?? It's a money pit.

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The "enough said" in the title seems to have not been heeded on this thread.

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Just thought of this. Where in Vegas will the show be at? If they make it to Vegas....

Why take it to Vegas? Have you ever been there and seen how successful spectacle is? Cirque pulls in over a million a day in profit from the Strip alone... Let's not let artistic sentiment get in the way of simply entertaining an audience, something Vegas does in spades. People don't want culture. They want special effects and 90 minutes of show.

As for location, Venetian is currently quietly negotiating the old Phantom showroom for this production. It's a perfect room. And with some changes, this show could be perfect for Vegas.