Starshines Unite! The official HAIR love thread...- Page 79

[Leia947]

Posted: 8/23/09 at 9:12pm

I'm half and half. There are some times that I would love to talk about the deeper aspects of what HAIR stands for. But some times, I just want to have fun and be shallow and talk about everything else. So yeah, maybe a separate "Deep Discussion" thread would be a cool idea. I'd go in there chat. The hippie culture fascinates me.

[singalongsong2]

Posted: 8/23/09 at 9:15pm

Leia, I agree 100%

ETA: I was referring to this comment :P

There are some times that I would love to talk about the deeper aspects of what HAIR stands for. But some times, I just want to have fun and be shallow and talk about everything else. Updated On: 8/23/09 at 09:15 PM

[chiuptown]

Posted: 8/23/09 at 9:47pm

i think thats a great idea leia

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/23/09 at 10:07pm

Yeah, Leia. That's a great idea. It's so great you thought that up. (Sorry em. I tried. You know I tried.)

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 8/23/09 at 10:11pm

Namo, I wanted to help, but every time I went to respond, the topic had shifted back to Will Swenson's naked torso. I'm glad the show is popular, but I wish didn't have to be turned into the latest teenybopper craze to achieve that.

[Leia947]

Posted: 8/23/09 at 10:14pm

LOL Namo. Where could I have possibly gotten that idea from?? I was just reiterating the idea from the previous page, and apparently, the previous page was not read.

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 8/23/09 at 11:06pm

(Sorry em. I tried. You know I tried.)

Fade in on Mark, who's still in the dark.

Okay, sorry. Will go back and actually read what I missed now.

[somethingwicked]

Posted: 8/23/09 at 11:12pm

Namo, your efforts are greatly appreciated.

orangeskittles, I agree completely. It's quite sad that a show with such an important cultural and social message has been relegated to a fan base that only cares about where they can sit to get the most cast interaction or what the sexiest picture of the leading man is they can find.

It's all a part of this dismaying "fan girl culture," I suppose.

Updated On: 8/23/09 at 11:12 PM

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 8/23/09 at 11:23pm

Namo clearly DID read the other page.

Okay, all I really have to say is that I'm certainly not trying to stop anyone from having fun, or saying we should all be pretentious and intellectual in place of having fun. I'm all for silliness and fun. But this show is so much more than that; it deserves more than that. And, I mean, if people want really feel that they don't want intelligent discussion to cramp the style of their fangirling, then yeah, maybe the way to go is to have two separate threads.

[claudioislove]

Posted: 8/23/09 at 11:32pm

I like both fangirling and deep discussion (and probably the latter more even if it seems I do more of the former. It's the show itself that drew me to see it first,not Gavin Creel), and definitely think both can live in the same thread, because I think we all have some of each in us. But I also think that would take cooperation and some sort of honor code on our parts, that you won't post schmexy Theo pictures in the middle of a deep discussion. So maybe two threads would be the best way to do it, just to minimize anger. But it would also make me sad, I think, because both are interrelated, and if we can't get along while discussing a show that champions peace and love, that would be pretty sad.

oh and someone mentioned on the other page how disappointing it would be to people who planned like months in advance to see the show to miss both leads, but it;s not like it was planned this way. Gavin should have been in, and I doubt once Gavin got hurt Will could have told the Mets no.

ETA: it DOES say HAIR LOVE thread, not DISCUSSION... though that's just me being picky.

Updated On: 8/23/09 at 11:32 PM

[IfYouCan]

Posted: 8/23/09 at 11:37pm

I believe Will also thought he would make it back in time and that Steel going on was rather last minute once Will realized he wouldn't be making the 8 o'clock curtain. At least that's what several people told me.

[Leia947]

Posted: 8/23/09 at 11:44pm

Well said, claudioislove.

[maxximumvolume]

Posted: 8/23/09 at 11:51pm

Saw Paris today as Claude, my first time not seeing Gavin in the role. His voice was great, a bit deeper than Gavin's but still really beautiful. He plays Claude as so innocent, but he also seemed really solemn... a lot less joyous and loving than Creel's Claude. I would say that I definitely think that Creel is superior, but Paris is definitely a more than suitable replacement.

Also, this was my first time seeing Matt DeAngelis on stage and for a while there I thought it was Robert Hager from Spring Awakening. Anybody else? Just me?

And I miss Allison Case like crazy. The show just isn't the same without her. I hope she gets better soon.

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 8/23/09 at 11:55pm

ETA: it DOES say HAIR LOVE thread, not DISCUSSION... though that's just me being picky.

lol, are you serious? I don't even know how to respond to that. Is "love" limited only to squealing and sexy photographs?

For the record, I am certainly not angry. I just... for me, I really love this show. And I'm really moved by it, especially this production. But sometimes I have an unusually hard time articulating WHY that is, and in my experience, talking about it can be a big help in figuring that out. That was a big part of my initial experience with the Company revival, for example, which is to this day one of the greatest loves of my life.

Nobody's "not getting along." I voiced a frustration that I know others are feeling. Look, I don't want to start a fight, and I definitely don't want to be the bitch here or make anyone angry, because there's simply no need. But I want to hear what people have to say who experienced things I wasn't alive for. That's a huge part of what this show means because of its place in history. About a week ago, iflit posted something that I found utterly fascinating, and nobody even acknowledged it; everyone acted like it wasn't even there, and just went back to discussing like, pants. That disappointed me. And I'm sorry if this is something we disagree about, but... talking about things like that? That's love, too. And I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

I don't know, it feels sort of silly to have to sit here and parse this all out, what's allowed and what's not. I've just never experienced anything quite like this, with such a resistant schism.

If you all really feel that discussing anything past the superficial is somehow toxic to your enjoyment, then, hey, you all started this thing and I suppose that's your choice to make.

Updated On: 8/23/09 at 11:55 PM

[claudioislove]

Posted: 8/24/09 at 12:06am

Wait, I totally agree with you, and my edit was more a joke than anything. I find myself talking about Hair so much because it;s something I love, and something I want to hear other people's opinions about and their experiences. The first timeI saw air wasn;t on Broadway, but as part of a cheap high school production, but I knew it was amazing and life changing, and that's the way the show makes me feel. Like it's changed my life. And it has nothing to do with pants or Kober's tweets or Gavin's adorableness. That stuff is honestly like an added bonus.

I love everything about Hair. Writing my college essay about it, because my thoughts about it, I think, show some of the best parts of who I am. So yeah, I'm gonna talk about how much I want Theo to come back and how adorable Allison Case is on this board. But that doesn't make me against serious discussion.

Updated On: 8/24/09 at 12:06 AM

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 8/24/09 at 12:12am

Oh, okay, good. I feel like some people unfortunately WOULD say that and mean it seriously, so I assumed and for that I apologize.

And of course, again, you totally don't have to defend having fun here. That's why we're here. I would just love to see a little bit more of the other side, too! There are a lot of smart, learned, articulate people around here, and that's one of the reasons I've always loved BWW. But I think it's important not to make people feel like if they aren't giggling about who pet their head, they won't be heard.

[Leia947]

Posted: 8/24/09 at 12:23am

Again, agreed with both of you. I love Hair because, thanks to my parents, I've lived that life. Peace, love and happiness. I've heard about Vietnam from my dad. I've heard stories of music and mellowness and pot smoking. The clothes, the culture. Thanks to my dad, I feel like I've lived through the 60s in some way. So, for me, it would be fun to discuss some of the deeper meanings of what the show stands for.
Though, I work for a newspaper, and after a day of hearing what kid got shot in Jersey City, what corrupt official was arrested today and what highway was was in gridlock because of a 4 car pile-up, sometime I just want to come on here and be a shallow fangirl and bypass the seriousness.

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 8/24/09 at 12:23am

if we can't get along while discussing a show that champions peace and love, that would be pretty sad.

Let me put this in a way you will understand. Namo is like Sheila Franklin. You all are like George Berger. Both are a part of the hippy culture, but have very different ideas of what it means to them. That doesn't mean they don't get along, they just have different goals.


About a week ago, iflit posted something that I found utterly fascinating, and nobody even acknowledged it; everyone acted like it wasn't even there, and just went back to discussing like, pants.

Exactly. Those of you who claim to love "intelligent discussion AND fangirling" responded to iflit's amazing post about attending Woodstock and growing up in that era with:

"Well, it's been a pretty dull day on the starshines thread today"

"I tried to get the ball rolling earlier, but no one wanted to talk"

"umm trying to come up with nice things to say"

I don't understand how someone who is fascinated by the hippy culture could blatantly ignore that in favor of discussing the latest understudies and what Paris said on Twitter, but again- different goals. If there can be separate threads for both Will and Gavin, there's nothing wrong with having separate threads for discussing the different perspectives on the show.

Updated On: 8/24/09 at 12:23 AM

[somethingwicked]

Posted: 8/24/09 at 12:30am

There's certainly a place for everything, and that totally applies to both innocent fun and intellectual conversation.

That being said, the first sign a fan group has gone too far is when they bestow a name upon themselves.

This thread is no exception.

Updated On: 8/24/09 at 12:30 AM

[claudioislove]

Posted: 8/24/09 at 12:32am

I honestly have no recollection of seeing this infamous post. I think I would've said something, because I find Woodstock totally fascinating. Like I just visited the museum a couple weeks ago while I was upstate, and was watching a bunch of tv specials about it. Granted, this doesn't make me an expert. Anyway, I don't you should crucify us all because we didn't respond to one post. Obviously you didn't either, or a discussion would have started.

ETA: oh and as far as the name goes, that only started because Gavin Creel was calling us Hairballs, and that's just terrible.

Updated On: 8/24/09 at 12:32 AM

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 8/24/09 at 12:34am

Though, I work for a newspaper, and after a day of hearing what kid got shot in Jersey City, what corrupt official was arrested today and what highway was was in gridlock because of a 4 car pile-up, sometime I just want to come on here and be a shallow fangirl and bypass the seriousness.

Oh my God. Stop being so defensive. For the fifth time. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. Nobody is stopping you. I'm not saying it's bad. I'm saying the imbalance is kind of disappointing. Big different. Really, I think I have tried not to be mean, so please stop making it as thought I'm being like, the fun nazi. You're overreacting with this need to defend your Right to Fangirl. Nobody is denying you that.

Anyway, skittles hits the nail on the head. I think for me, it's all part and parcel of why I love this show -- the fun stuff and the serious stuff.

Updated On: 8/24/09 at 12:34 AM

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 8/24/09 at 12:38am

claudio is love, I don't know if you're insinuating that I'm making up this post, or if you honestly didn't see it -- which is completely possible, because it truly got COMPLETELY glossed over and then totally buried. But obviously if I'm referencing it, yes, I saw it. And I DID acknowledge it when I saw it. Namo and I were the only ones who did so. But "obviously" I didn't see it because otherwise there would have been a discussion? It takes more than one person to create a discussion. I made a brief post thanking iflit for sharing what she did, and that was it; nothing came of it, it didn't catch on, the topic had already reverted to whatever it had been before. I'm not "crucifying" anyone, and I think you need to relax. Yes, it was one post, but it was just the general sentiment that made me kind of sad; all of the regulars in this thread just looked right past it. No, "Oh, wow, that's so cool, thanks," or anything like that, that you would think it would garner; people just acted like it wasn't even there. I found that disheartening; voicing that feeling is hardly crucifixion.

Updated On: 8/24/09 at 12:38 AM

[claudioislove]

Posted: 8/24/09 at 12:40am

i'm not insinuating that you made it up. I just honestly didn;t see it...

So in the end, WE ALL AGREE. So let's just make an effort to have a better balance. Really not that big of a deal. So if you have something deep to say, say it, whether or not people are discussing tweets.

the end.

Updated On: 8/24/09 at 12:40 AM

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 8/24/09 at 12:41am

It was on page 68. Three posts later, you posted to say you saw District 9 that day. Namo and Emcee both responded and were also ignored. By the time I saw it, it was buried under a dozen posts and I saw no use in responding, because it was impossible to carry on a discussion with the rest of the thread actively ignoring it.

[claudioislove]

Posted: 8/24/09 at 9:01pm

This thread needs a bump, and a new start up. Yeah I get everyone's being all intellectual on the other thread, but I think we can do that here too, and still talk about tickets and getting SRO. It makes me sad that these two things have been segregated.