Subtext You Didn't Know Was There
Subtext You Didn't Know Was There
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Subtext You Didn't Know Was There#1
Posted: 10/24/11 at 12:45pm
So, in my Classics class, I learned that the French expression "la petite mort" or (a little death) refers to an orgasm. Did you guys get this reference the first time you heard "Every Day A Little Death"?
Do you have any other experiences like this? I.e. Finding a new meaning to a song because you understand the subtext a bit more?
Subtext You Didn't Know Was There #2
Posted: 10/24/11 at 1:35pmI think that's text, though.
Subtext You Didn't Know Was There #2
Posted: 10/24/11 at 1:58pmIsn't subtext the unspoken truth and/or intent behind the words? I'm not sure Sondheim meant to imply "Every day an orgasm" in that particular song sung by those particular characters. It makes no sense. Or that they are implying that orgasms are little deaths. Even linking the infidelity of the husbands as equating orgasms to marital death is far too lateral in degrees to be considered subtext.
Subtext You Didn't Know Was There #3
Posted: 10/24/11 at 2:05pm
You guys just are missing the beats.
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Subtext You Didn't Know Was There #4
Posted: 10/24/11 at 5:47pmMy personal interpretation was that even though being a submissive wife slowly saps the life out of you, the "little death" keeps them in the marriage because it's so good ("He assumes I lose my reason and I do"). I just think the sexual connotations of the phrase adds an extra layer to the interpretation of the song don't you think?
Subtext You Didn't Know Was There #5
Posted: 10/24/11 at 6:49pmThat sounds like the opposite of what the song means. Every day, a little thing dies in the smallest of places (in the parlor, in the bed, in the looks, and in the eyes, etc.). The little death is what causes Charlotte to question her relationship, not what holds it together. It's an interesting theory, but it appears to be just coincidence.
Subtext You Didn't Know Was There #6
Posted: 10/24/11 at 6:55pmAnd of course with Anne being a virgin she certainly is not singing about the orgasms that are holding her marriage together when she joins in.
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Subtext You Didn't Know Was There #7
Posted: 10/24/11 at 7:01pmYou think that this particular Sondheim lyric is "just coincidence" considering how meticulous he is with all of his other lyrics? You realize the scene before it talks about adultery, right? The sexual undertones are obviously there for a reason. I suggest you go through the lyrics and think about it a little harder.
Subtext You Didn't Know Was There #8
Posted: 10/24/11 at 7:28pm
It's a play on words.
You can't have a little death. You're either dead or you're not. Like you're either pregnant or you're not.
Every day a little death is used as a metaphor
Subtext You Didn't Know Was There #9
Posted: 10/24/11 at 7:43pmSondheim does that a lot though. I never got the sexual connotation in the lyric "buried sweetly in your yellow hair" until someone pointed it out to me.
Subtext You Didn't Know Was There #10
Posted: 10/24/11 at 7:52pm
At the very least, Charlotte is making a pun (since a woman of her class and era would almost certainly speak French) and it's doubtful Sondheim was unaware of it.
But it isn't likely Charlotte gets laid every day or is talking about her own orgasms (except for the part of the lyric where she talks about her eager response to Carl-Magnus on the rare occasions he reaches for her). Charlotte's orgasms are overwhelming and humiliating, but they are not daily occurrences.
It makes more sense that her husband's daily petit-morts (with his mistress) are slowly killing her. By this scene, Anne believes Frederick has committed adultery with Desiree or would like to, so it does make sense when she joins Charlotte in the use of the term. (ETA but if I were playing Anne, I'd probably assume the pun goes over her head.)
Updated On: 10/24/11 at 07:52 PM
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Subtext You Didn't Know Was There #11
Posted: 10/25/11 at 3:14am^Or that. That makes even more sense to me.
Subtext You Didn't Know Was There #12
Posted: 10/25/11 at 1:55pmI can't find the quote now, but I'm like 90% sure that Sondheim said he was unaware of the connection when he wrote the song and that it is a coincidence.
Subtext You Didn't Know Was There #13
Posted: 10/25/11 at 2:45pm
It's not a song, but knowing that in Shakespeare's era "nothing" was slang for vagina suddenly reveals a whole lot of now-obscure punnage - the title Much Ado About Nothing being the most obvious, but there are plenty of others that went completely over my heard before I knew. Like this one from Hamlet (that also has the more obvious "country matters" pun):
Hamlet: Lady, shall I lie in your lap?
Ophelia: No, my lord.
Hamlet: I mean, my head upon your lap?
Ophelia: Ay, my lord.
Hamlet: Do you think I meant country matters?
Ophelia: I think nothing, my lord.
Hamlet: That's a fair thought to lie between maids' legs.
Ophelia: What is, my lord?
Hamlet: Nothing.
Subtext You Didn't Know Was There #14
Posted: 10/25/11 at 2:49pm
But it isn't likely Charlotte gets laid every day or is talking about her own orgasms (except for the part of the lyric where she talks about her eager response to Carl-Magnus on the rare occasions he reaches for her).
Consider Carl-Magnus's line in his first scene with Charlotte: "A civilized man can tolerate his wife's infidelity, but when it comes to his mistress, a man becomes a tiger!" I always took that to mean that maybe Charlotte has/had a little something on the side, too.
Subtext You Didn't Know Was There #15
Posted: 10/25/11 at 3:26pm
Maybe so, AC, but Charlotte doesn't act like a woman who thinks she has options. Of course, one may conclude that her own infidelities aside, she simply loves her husband. Open marriage isn't for everyone. But that isn't the impression I get from Charlotte. I think Hugh Wheeler was just being witty. While Carl-Magnus may agree with his statement in general, somehow I don't see him being so complacent if Charlotte were actually having an affair; he seems very protective of his "property".
As for Sondheim saying he never thought of the French meaning of the term, that's possible. I know I didn't until it was mentioned here. But surely he knew the other meaning of "petit mort" and may have used it unconsciously.
Subtext You Didn't Know Was There #16
Posted: 10/25/11 at 3:32pmI'm with Gaveston- I always took it to be ironic, since the two ladies definitely aren't having any orgasms (that we know of) but their husbands are (at Anne thinks hers is) which has much to do with the slow death of their marriages. I never thought of Charlotte as getting any on the side, which would certainly be possible. Although I guess it would change the likelihood of the pun.
Subtext You Didn't Know Was There #17
Posted: 10/25/11 at 3:48pm
I'm relying on the Wiki synopsis instead of going to the other room to reread the libretto, but Charlotte actually has a plan to make Carl-Magnus jealous during the weekend of Act II. That isn't the work of a wife whose infidelities have been tolerated.
And though Carl-Magnus plans to challenge Fredrik to a duel over Desiree, in fact he does so upon seeing Fredrik sitting with Charlotte on the lawn. So it turns out that Carl-Magnus' claim about ignoring the infidelities of a wife simply wasn't true.
Subtext You Didn't Know Was There #18
Posted: 10/25/11 at 5:34pm
You think that this particular Sondheim lyric is "just coincidence" considering how meticulous he is with all of his other lyrics?
Yes.
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