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Posted: 10/22/09 at 11:04am

Phyllis, I am so with you (and with other posters on this board). Even in a fantasy/musical world, there must be a thread of consistent logic. Otherwise, any real character vanishes. They test the bounds of logic and motivation every week. People quit Glee, come back to Glee, Characters are evil, then not evil. Intelligent men can't figure out their wives are not pregnant, and an 18 yr old in 2009 thinks you can get pregnant from sitting in a hot-tub with someone.
It really feels like they had a pilot written, but nothing else, and they were shocked when the show got picked up. They suddenly had to write the rest of the season, with no real idea of who any of these people were, and where they should be headed.

[MusicSnob1]

Posted: 10/22/09 at 11:10am

"Also, how come EVERY time they have a new song, they all immediately know how they are going to harmonize and split up the song, etc? "

It's camp style.

"Even in a fantasy/musical world, there must be a thread of consistent logic."

Not when it's "camp" style.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 10/22/09 at 11:18am

When you say camp style and then "camp" style, are those two different things?

[MusicSnob1]

Posted: 10/22/09 at 11:19am

You're so witty.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 10/22/09 at 11:20am

I wasn't trying to be witty.

Posted: 10/22/09 at 11:24am

But this show is not "camp" style. This show doesn't know what style it wants to be. 30 minutes can go by with nothing but sweet, sentimental, sugary sincerity. If they want to make it camp, then go for it.
And camp has never meant "stupid". Characters who have been presented with a certain intelligence level can't suddenly become idiots. That's not camp. That's bad writing.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 10/22/09 at 11:36am

Also, nothing rings more desperate than something trying to be campy. Campy usually just is.

Then again, "camp" style would explain why I laughed so hard at the end of the sonogram episode where Matthew Morrison was boo hooing.
Updated On: 10/22/09 at 11:36 AM

[MusicSnob1]

Posted: 10/22/09 at 12:13pm

I really don't think it's a good show, but it seems that neither of you are familiar with Ryan Murphy's work.

He doesn't really follow a specific style or format. It's up for grabs, when it comes to Mr. Murphy - I'm a big fan.

It appears to be HIT OR MISS. So whatever.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 10/22/09 at 12:14pm

Okay, then.

Posted: 10/22/09 at 12:26pm

True, MusicS. And just to be clear, I still find much to like in this show, and I still watch it. It's better than 90% of what's on TV. I like it...it's just that I want to LOVE it.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 10/22/09 at 12:33pm

He doesn't really follow a specific style or format

Indeed. Not even one within the world he's created.

[MusicSnob1]

Posted: 10/22/09 at 1:19pm

^^ LOL

And Sheldon, I actually agree 100%. I'm not a big Glee fan. But I am a Ryan Murphy fan and I do know what he's capable of. This isn't it.

[Dolly_Levi]

Posted: 10/22/09 at 7:57pm

Way too much Morrison for me this week.

[MotorTink]

Posted: 10/23/09 at 8:27am

there can never be too much Morrison!

Posted: 10/23/09 at 12:20pm

There is one thing they could do that would make this show a lot better, imho, and that is re-cast the role of Finn. After watching 6 episodes I realized that although Cory has a certain charm, he's rather boring as an actor, and he really can't sing. He will never have the great solo number that others will have as the series progresses.
When I heard the Jonathan Groff was coming on for a few eps, it made me realize how much better the show would be if he were playing Finn. (even though that would never happen). But they could have at least found an actor who can keep up with Lea, vocally.

[Hest882]

Posted: 10/23/09 at 1:03pm

I started getting hopeful again during the two recent episodes where we had the character narration of what was inside their heads. For some reason, those seemed more cohesive to me. Now, though, we're back to these uneven, pieced-together episodes where you have occasional funny lines (especially with Jane Lynch's character), musical numbers (that no high school would ever be permitted to perform without huge parent outrage) shoehorned in, and globs of cheap, sentimental scenes.

[yeomansden]

Posted: 10/23/09 at 1:30pm

This was a pretty disappointing episode. My suspension of disbelief is more willing than a Catholic school girl on prom night, but some of the things they wanted us to swallow were just too much. Puck and Rachel? REALLY? Sue and anyone? REALLY?!?!?

Now, there were some good moments. The swing number was fun to watch. (Though again, Sue and Will dancing threw me for a loop). And Puck's Sweet Caroline was nice, and good to see him taking a lead. And Emma's I Could Have Danced All Night was a nice surpirse.

But for once, I have to agree. Most of the musical numbers were way over-produced. I'm pretty forgiving about that normally, so when I'm bothered by it, you know it's gone way over the top. Certainly not even close to giving up on it, but hope this trend doesn't continue.

[heo1128]

Posted: 10/23/09 at 3:21pm

In light of their totally awkward relationship/engagement, anyone else REALLY hoping for the doe-eyed OCD teacher (don't remember her name, clearly) to sing "Not Getting Married Today"??

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 10/23/09 at 3:47pm

No.

[Sparklesss]

Posted: 10/25/09 at 3:36pm

I have to say I agree with the above posters about the casting of Finn. I know they wanted it to be believable, but it seems like they'd cast someone that could keep up with Lea Michelle at least a bit better. I watched a behind the scenes 'casting' video on fox.com though, and they actually showed Aaron Tveit auditioning, and the director said he wanted "midwestern kids, not Abercrombie and Fitch"... guess he cares more about that then the vocals! I still enjoy the show though..

[Pgenre]

Posted: 10/25/09 at 3:39pm

Who will sing what?

GLEE Vol. 2

1. "Proud Mary"

2. "Endless Love"

3. "I'll Stand By You"

4. "Don't Stand So Close To Me/Young Girl"

5. "Crush"

6. "(You're) Having My Baby"

7. "Lean On Me"

8. "Don't Make Me Over"

9. "Imagine"

10. "True Colors"

11. "Jump"

12. "Smile" by Lily Allen cover

13. "Smile" by Charlie Chaplin cover

14. "And I Am Telling You I'm Not Going"

15. "Don't Rain On My Parade"

16. "You Can't Always Get What You Want"

17. "My Life Would Suck Without You"

I am stoked about "True Colors", "Don't Make Me over", "And I Am Teling You", "Don't Rain..." and "My Life Would Suck..."

P

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 11/12/09 at 10:08am

The women on this show are really a piece of work. I mean, the men are all dimwits, but the vast majority of the women are profoundly shrewish, damaged or both.

This line from Television Without Pity made me laugh (re Quinn and Finn) I DO NOT CARE. She either knocks it off with the prenatal care she can't afford and gets a job her own damn self to pay off the debt she already owes, or she levels with her parents and gets the whole thing covered by their insurance, or she gets an abortion down in Columbus and passes it off as a miscarriage to everyone else in the school. See? Options!

Did Artie and the Stutter Faker make up? Will that be touched on again or is just a dangling plot point, left out to pasture?

How could they get all those extra wheelchairs when they can't afford a bus? How are they going to get all the extra wheelchairs to sectionals? Are they going to perform any of the songs they've rehearsed at sectionals?
Updated On: 11/12/09 at 10:08 AM

[bway1261]

Posted: 11/12/09 at 10:13am

I'm curious to see what everyone thought of last night's episode. Personally, I thought it was one of the best ones yet. I enjoyed seeing a different side of Sue.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 11/12/09 at 10:14am

I thought it was mawkish.

[bway1261]

Posted: 11/12/09 at 10:16am

"Did Artie and the Stutter Faker make up?"

I don't think they did.