Buffy the Vampire Slayer — Page 2

Yeah, Tiff. *raspberry*

Agreed, I can't stand Dawn either. I liked Glory, such a drama queen. I also didn't like Tara, Willow could've done so much better.

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gasp kennedy was cool and she had her tounge pireced =)

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i missed oz too. tara was just so insecure. although, her death made for a good finale with willow turning evil.

There was a "Once More With Feeling" thread a while back... I love it, have the CD in my car and sing to it shamelessly.
I cried in "The Prom" too, and several other episodes, but I'm a weeper.
All the Buffy talk makes me nostalgic, but happy.

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To address the comment about Eliza being a bitch, she actually isn't. She's a very intelligent, well educated woman who has some very strong opinions, especially about her roles. She was raised to belive that a woman can be in control and be strong as much as a man (her parents are pretty cool, progressive people...dad is a college professor here in Boston). As is usually the case with strong women, her attitude gets translated into bitch.

As far as Buffy, the show, I didn't think season two was very strong. Joss Whedon seemed to loose track of what he originally envisioned and was making the show more of an X Files with a new type of monster each week. By season three, he seemed to settle back into the continuing storylines and realtionships of teh main characters and the show picked up the pace it had in season one.

I thought the loss of Cordelia was going to leave an empty space in the show but, the addition of Anya worked perfectly. She was different than Cordielia but added the same quality. I couldn't stand Angel. He had way too much angst. It felt over done to me. I never really liked any of Buffy's boyfriends except spike. Dawn was annoying, like fingernails on a chalkboard.

I was also disapppointed in the way the show ended. In an episode from an earlier season, Buffy is teetering between reality and hallucination in a mental institution. The staff at the hospital are playing parts in what seems to be her hallicinatory life of being a vampire slayer. I think this should have been saved for the end. It would have been more interesting to find that Dawn was really her sister, mom and dad never got divorced, maybe Willow was really a fellow patient, Giles her psychiatrist and that perhaps the whole thing were the delusions and hallucinations of a very disturbed high school girl.

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Updated On: 4/9/05 at 09:50 AM

I disagree with the mental hospital finale ending. The whole point of Buffy was to provide this world with a kickass female of the kind normally found to be the victim in horror films (that's pretty much straight from Joss' mouth). To have turned it, Dallas-style, into a bout of dimentia in a warped mind would have ruined what the show actually stood for.
I am actually pretty ok with the way it turned out, although, in typical Joss fashion (as he also did with Angel), there's too much up in the air.
And don't even get me started on how he killed Cordelia, Anya and Wesley.

WOW! I Buffy thread! I can't believe it. I have so much love for the show. The surprisingly witty writing, the wonderful acting, the ease it takes to become addicted. I would agree that with a few exceptions (like Hish and Once more With Feeling) the first episodes were the best. The same goes for Angel. Personally, when it got into the amazingly angsty depression that continued on and on throughout each episode, I was dissapointed.

Dawn strikes me as an attempt to add as classic "teenager" with her whiny tantrums and annoying blow up and tiny habit of stealing. As a teen, it bothered me. And like many others, I cannot stand Riley.

Other than that, this show was perfect. I enjoyed every minute it lasted. The last episode was sweet and touching but yes, it was a little too open-ended. I did like the final moment though. It made me cry.

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I agree about the finale, though it was slightly better than the rest of the horrid season. I loved Giles' throwback to "the world is doomed" and having a moment with the 4 of them, the originals. As a huge B&A fan, I was very happy Angel came back and they shared a kiss hehe but I'm still mad Buffy couldn't have gone over to Angel, it just left too much up in the air. I mean the last moment to ever air between Buffy and Angel was Angel telling Buffy "I'm not getting any older." So in the air. And I read somewhere that whether it was the last season or not, Emma wanted Anya to die. She loved her experience, but didn't wanna be asked to keep coming back, she kind of wanted to put an end to her character, so even though Buffy ended, any efforts further made the character could be left out of.

I still think Anya was just a clone of Cordelia, and that she should never have left, hrmph.

And replying to season 2, I disagree about the whole villain of the week thing. They did have some of that, but I found it to be more enjoyable, but it certainly had a continuing story with lots of drama. Spike and Dru obviously played a huge part in a lot of episodes, as did Angel once he turned. And they focused a lot on relationships that season of course Buffy/Angel, Xander/Cordy, Willow/Oz, it was just such a cute season. Even more continued, Giles/Jenny and her eventual death, Ethan Rayne became recurring to tell of Giles' past, it was just such a well-written season and still my favorite.

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"Type A, I wasn't saying that at all. She is strong and opionated but is not a bitch. My saying it translates to Bitch was meant to point out that this is the way a woman like her are often thought of."

That's what I was referring to. I understand what you mean about strong women being perceived as being bitches; What I was saying was that I am aware of the double standard, but I don't think this is the reason some people have a negative perception of Eliza. I'll preface this, as I mentioned in my other post, by saying that this is all from hearsay from people who've worked with her, while I've met her twice briefly and did not have time to form a real impression of her personality. From people who worked on the Tru Calling set, this wasn't just about creative differences, ambition or having strong opinions about her roles (there are plenty of perfectionists in the industry who are known as being difficult without causing people to think of them this negatively). This was about her diva demands and her behavior towards the rest of the cast and crew. The tense dynamic on the TC set was not just because of her - there was a lot of fighting in general - but she's the name people bring up the most when talking about the difficulties on that set.

I'm assuming you've met Eliza in a personal capacity, while my impression of her is from her reported behavior on TV sets. It's possible that she turns the good cheek when she doesn't have to have her guard up, but her attitude towards her peers and underlings did not come off as professional, much less the behavior of a sweet and strong individual.

Just my 2c.

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Agreed on all counts. I enjoy James Marsters very much, especially with the black leather. Did you see him with dark hair and when he shaved his head? Shattered my image of him.

Loved Jonathan and Andrew too. I was reading one of those tabloid rags in the supermarket line last week and "Andrew" (actor's name slips my mind- ?? Lenk) was photographed lunching with Alyson Hannigan. He looks like a cutie out of character!



Quick poll: Best villain? (Can't include protagonists who go bad, like Willow or anything.)

Another Quick Poll: Best line?

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Updated On: 4/9/05 at 05:58 PM

riley was like a filler. angel left, and they hadn't decided on who to put buffy with. she needed a sig other, so they made up riley.

and spike... i dunno. i'm not sure about his hair and the clothes in season 7. i liked the black leather with red. now it's curly and he had... blue on. very unspike like.