Buffy the Vampire Slayer- Page 2

[midnghtdolphin]

Posted: 4/8/05 at 9:18pm

tiff! stop threadjacking my buffy thread! grrr. just cause i got the 10,000th post. this is buffy and angel here!

[Ellie3]

Posted: 4/8/05 at 9:19pm

Yeah, Tiff. *raspberry*

[jacobtsf]

Posted: 4/8/05 at 9:25pm

I LOVE BUFFY!

such a great show.

[Falsettoland]

Posted: 4/8/05 at 9:41pm

Agreed, I can't stand Dawn either. I liked Glory, such a drama queen. I also didn't like Tara, Willow could've done so much better.

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 4/8/05 at 9:43pm

Loved Tara, hated Kennedy (ick poo!).

[harris007]

Posted: 4/8/05 at 9:45pm

gasp kennedy was cool and she had her tounge pireced =)

[Falsettoland]

Posted: 4/8/05 at 9:49pm

I'm really undecided on Kennedy. Maybe I'm just bitter cause I still missed Oz.

[midnghtdolphin]

Posted: 4/8/05 at 9:55pm

i missed oz too. tara was just so insecure. although, her death made for a good finale with willow turning evil.

[Matchi]

Posted: 4/8/05 at 10:21pm

Ahh, Buffy... :)

So many great episodes, but my favorite has to be The Prom:

"But whenever there was a problem or something creepy happened, you seemed to show up and stop it. Most of the people here have been saved by you or helped by you at one time or another. We're proud to say that the class of '99 has the lowest mortality rate of any graduating class in Sunnydale history, and we know at least part of that is because of you. So the senior class offers its thanks and gives you, uh, this. It's from all of us, and it has written here: Buffy Summers, Class Protector."

[cue sentimental music that always makes me embarrassingly tear up as Buffy walks down the aisle, beaming, to the applause of her classmates]

And who can forget Buffy: The Musical?

[Falsettoland]

Posted: 4/8/05 at 10:32pm

There was a "Once More With Feeling" thread a while back... I love it, have the CD in my car and sing to it shamelessly.
I cried in "The Prom" too, and several other episodes, but I'm a weeper.
All the Buffy talk makes me nostalgic, but happy.

[wickedrentq]

Posted: 4/9/05 at 2:55am

Okay here I go again, great idea Dol to start this thread! I agree about the whole season thing. Loved seasons 1-3(2 was the best-when I first started watching, "Lie to Me" was the first episode I ever watched, looooved Buffy and Angel so much.) Was hysterical during Becoming Part II I don't think anything perhaps other than Miss Saigon made me cry so much. Cried during the Prom and almost any episode where Buffy and Angel weren't happy, soemthing about them just got me. I HATED the 4th season, hated Riley, hated the stupid government plot, just bad. Only good thing of that season was Spike. 5th season I felt was better, at least compared to 4th. I didn't mind Dawn, then again I'm a little sister, maybe I sympathize. I liked the idea of Buffy finally making the ultimate sacrifice. 6th season I didn't like as much as 5th season, was much darker, but definitely had it's bright moments and episodes(Once More With Feeling, Tabula Rosa) and the end of Grave made me cry...yaay Xander. 7 was ulgh...so far away from waht so characters would have done. Just stupid season, I didn't mind Kennedy at first but then I did and all the potentials got on my nerves and yeah, bad.

As for Willow...well I loved Willow/Oz, but I also loved Willow/Xander but I also loved Xander/Cordy so the third season definitely confused me. I didn't like Tara so much at first but then I got to be okay with her as time went on, though I still think I preferred Oz.

And on the Sarah thing...well from everything I read, her and David they always said were friends and got along great...like the first time they kissed they both filled their mouths with garlic or something. Oh well, still love Buffy and Angel, and I'd be all for a B&A party whenever.

[orion59]

Posted: 4/9/05 at 9:50am

To address the comment about Eliza being a bitch, she actually isn't. She's a very intelligent, well educated woman who has some very strong opinions, especially about her roles. She was raised to belive that a woman can be in control and be strong as much as a man (her parents are pretty cool, progressive people...dad is a college professor here in Boston). As is usually the case with strong women, her attitude gets translated into bitch.

As far as Buffy, the show, I didn't think season two was very strong. Joss Whedon seemed to loose track of what he originally envisioned and was making the show more of an X Files with a new type of monster each week. By season three, he seemed to settle back into the continuing storylines and realtionships of teh main characters and the show picked up the pace it had in season one.

I thought the loss of Cordelia was going to leave an empty space in the show but, the addition of Anya worked perfectly. She was different than Cordielia but added the same quality. I couldn't stand Angel. He had way too much angst. It felt over done to me. I never really liked any of Buffy's boyfriends except spike. Dawn was annoying, like fingernails on a chalkboard.

I was also disapppointed in the way the show ended. In an episode from an earlier season, Buffy is teetering between reality and hallucination in a mental institution. The staff at the hospital are playing parts in what seems to be her hallicinatory life of being a vampire slayer. I think this should have been saved for the end. It would have been more interesting to find that Dawn was really her sister, mom and dad never got divorced, maybe Willow was really a fellow patient, Giles her psychiatrist and that perhaps the whole thing were the delusions and hallucinations of a very disturbed high school girl.

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[popcultureboy]

Posted: 4/9/05 at 10:18am

I was resistant to the charms of Buffy and Angel for a very long time. In fact, I scorned people who watched it. Then when season 6 aired, for some reason I got drawn in (it had nothing to do with the musical episode) and so I went back and watched it on DVD from the beginning. I love love love the first 3 seasons and I also love seasons 5 & 6. Season 4 has some great stand alone episodes (Hush being among them) but there are too many irritating characters in it and the overall arc for the season is godawful. Not to mention it's the worst season finale for any season and any show ever. Season 7 started out so strong and then lost its way and ended up going out with a whimper instead of a bang, which was such a shame.

And the same f***ing thing happened to Angel. The final season started out so strong but then trod water for far too many episodes, brought in mind bogglingly annoying characters (Eve), brought BACK characters for seemingly no reason (Cordelia and Lindsey), then went off in bizarre directions before ending mid scene and practically mid sentence. Shame.

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 4/9/05 at 10:24am

I disagree with the mental hospital finale ending. The whole point of Buffy was to provide this world with a kickass female of the kind normally found to be the victim in horror films (that's pretty much straight from Joss' mouth). To have turned it, Dallas-style, into a bout of dimentia in a warped mind would have ruined what the show actually stood for.
I am actually pretty ok with the way it turned out, although, in typical Joss fashion (as he also did with Angel), there's too much up in the air.
And don't even get me started on how he killed Cordelia, Anya and Wesley.

[orion59]

Posted: 4/9/05 at 10:31am

You have a point but I just felt the final epsisode was a bit of a let down. There was too much left unresolved.

I never watched Angel...since I couldn't stand the charcter there seemed to be no point in watching the show...so I have no idea what happened to Wesley and Cordelia. I did feel okay with the way they killed off Anya. It seemed so unlike her and yet such a last minute stretch of character that she dies saving the life of Andrew. It drove home, for one last time, the idea that she was more than what we saw on teh surface. This was part of the character that was being slowly revealed over the last two seasons.

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[lovettespies]

Posted: 4/9/05 at 12:13pm

WOW! I Buffy thread! I can't believe it. I have so much love for the show. The surprisingly witty writing, the wonderful acting, the ease it takes to become addicted. I would agree that with a few exceptions (like Hish and Once more With Feeling) the first episodes were the best. The same goes for Angel. Personally, when it got into the amazingly angsty depression that continued on and on throughout each episode, I was dissapointed.

Dawn strikes me as an attempt to add as classic "teenager" with her whiny tantrums and annoying blow up and tiny habit of stealing. As a teen, it bothered me. And like many others, I cannot stand Riley.

Other than that, this show was perfect. I enjoyed every minute it lasted. The last episode was sweet and touching but yes, it was a little too open-ended. I did like the final moment though. It made me cry.

[Type_A_Tiff]

Posted: 4/9/05 at 12:39pm

Orion, I respectfully disagree on your assessment of Eliza's personality (I do think it's possible for a woman to be strong, intelligent and opinionated without being a bitch - I hope that I, myself, apply! ) but I do agree with you on the series finale. I found it was very disappointing. There were so many issues left unresolved, and it seemed like it ended so abruptly. Joss was trying to tie up too many loose ends at the end and redeem some charaacters, but it was too sudden to have any real effect.

I wasn't an Angel fan either. I tried watching it but just couldn't enjoy it (not a Boreanaz fan). I watched the last episode and thought it was stronger than Buffy's last, but it didn't compensate for the rest of the lacklustre series. I think Angel lacked the cleverness (especially in the dialogoue) that Buffy had.

[wickedrentq]

Posted: 4/9/05 at 1:05pm

I agree about the finale, though it was slightly better than the rest of the horrid season. I loved Giles' throwback to "the world is doomed" and having a moment with the 4 of them, the originals. As a huge B&A fan, I was very happy Angel came back and they shared a kiss hehe but I'm still mad Buffy couldn't have gone over to Angel, it just left too much up in the air. I mean the last moment to ever air between Buffy and Angel was Angel telling Buffy "I'm not getting any older." So in the air. And I read somewhere that whether it was the last season or not, Emma wanted Anya to die. She loved her experience, but didn't wanna be asked to keep coming back, she kind of wanted to put an end to her character, so even though Buffy ended, any efforts further made the character could be left out of.

I still think Anya was just a clone of Cordelia, and that she should never have left, hrmph.

And replying to season 2, I disagree about the whole villain of the week thing. They did have some of that, but I found it to be more enjoyable, but it certainly had a continuing story with lots of drama. Spike and Dru obviously played a huge part in a lot of episodes, as did Angel once he turned. And they focused a lot on relationships that season of course Buffy/Angel, Xander/Cordy, Willow/Oz, it was just such a cute season. Even more continued, Giles/Jenny and her eventual death, Ethan Rayne became recurring to tell of Giles' past, it was just such a well-written season and still my favorite.

[orion59]

Posted: 4/9/05 at 3:45pm

Type A, I wasn't saying that at all. She is strong and opionated but is not a bitch. My saying it translates to Bitch was meant to point out that this is the way a woman like her are often thought of. Women who show strength and refuse to defer to men are often seen as bitches. Eliza is far from a bitch. She is actually very nice and sweet. She is also very strong, knows the direction in which she wants her career to go and is intelligent enough to guide it there.

[Type_A_Tiff]

Posted: 4/9/05 at 4:09pm

"Type A, I wasn't saying that at all. She is strong and opionated but is not a bitch. My saying it translates to Bitch was meant to point out that this is the way a woman like her are often thought of."

That's what I was referring to. I understand what you mean about strong women being perceived as being bitches; What I was saying was that I am aware of the double standard, but I don't think this is the reason some people have a negative perception of Eliza. I'll preface this, as I mentioned in my other post, by saying that this is all from hearsay from people who've worked with her, while I've met her twice briefly and did not have time to form a real impression of her personality. From people who worked on the Tru Calling set, this wasn't just about creative differences, ambition or having strong opinions about her roles (there are plenty of perfectionists in the industry who are known as being difficult without causing people to think of them this negatively). This was about her diva demands and her behavior towards the rest of the cast and crew. The tense dynamic on the TC set was not just because of her - there was a lot of fighting in general - but she's the name people bring up the most when talking about the difficulties on that set.

I'm assuming you've met Eliza in a personal capacity, while my impression of her is from her reported behavior on TV sets. It's possible that she turns the good cheek when she doesn't have to have her guard up, but her attitude towards her peers and underlings did not come off as professional, much less the behavior of a sweet and strong individual.

Just my 2c.

[orion59]

Posted: 4/9/05 at 5:51pm

Ok, I see what you were saying now.
In general, many people have a different eprsonality at work than they do when they are just chilling with friends or even just meeting somone and having a brief conversation. For actors, I think this is even more so. So much of what an actor gets offered is based on their being perceived as stars, someone who can carry a show or movie. If you are working with people whom you think are not living up to the expectations of the show or you feel you are not being given some control over how you present yourself, you can become a bitch.

I have higher expectations and less tolerance for the poeple I work with because if they screw up, it effects me. With freinds and aquaintances or people with whom I'm interacting in a social setting, I fail to notice a lot of things that a co-worker or fellow actor would never be able to do without my being a bitch.

Anyway, now that this thread has been highjacked for a moment and made into an Eliza thread, I'll bring it back to Buffy. Spike is so hot, I loev him but, I have no ineterst in James Marsters. When I've seen him in interviews I've found him far less ineterseting and sexy than his character. It must be the accent, the attitude and the leather coat. Not to mention the amazing cheekbones that don't exist as prominently without the Spike makeup.

Spike is hot. Xander was hot before he bloated up. Angel never did a thing for me. Riley was dull looking. Jonathan and Andrew made a cute couple.

[Type_A_Tiff]

Posted: 4/9/05 at 5:58pm

Agreed on all counts. I enjoy James Marsters very much, especially with the black leather. Did you see him with dark hair and when he shaved his head? Shattered my image of him.

Loved Jonathan and Andrew too. I was reading one of those tabloid rags in the supermarket line last week and "Andrew" (actor's name slips my mind- ?? Lenk) was photographed lunching with Alyson Hannigan. He looks like a cutie out of character!



Quick poll: Best villain? (Can't include protagonists who go bad, like Willow or anything.)

Another Quick Poll: Best line?

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[orion59]

Posted: 4/9/05 at 5:58pm

Who was everyone's favorite secondary slayer, Faith, Kendra or Kennedy (ok, technically not a slayer just a potential)?

For me it was a close call bewteen Faith and Kendra but i would choose Faith. Kendra had it all going on, she really kicked butt and could have given Buffy a run for money but she was too rigid. Too much of that what a proper slayer should be attitude. Faith was sexy, tough and she was a bad girl, very dangerous.

[midnghtdolphin]

Posted: 4/9/05 at 5:59pm

riley was like a filler. angel left, and they hadn't decided on who to put buffy with. she needed a sig other, so they made up riley.

and spike... i dunno. i'm not sure about his hair and the clothes in season 7. i liked the black leather with red. now it's curly and he had... blue on. very unspike like.

[Type_A_Tiff]

Posted: 4/9/05 at 5:59pm

Faith too. She was great.