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[Seb28]

Posted: 9/13/25 at 7:10pm

There was nothing wrong with her message. It was kind and respectful. Killing is not the solution if you don't agree with someone's opinion. Period.

If you care at all about LGBTQ+ lives, you would share Kirk's concerns and criticism on islam. The left doesn't seem to do anything to stop their suppression and abuse of women and their goal of murdering of gay people, to name a few problems. In fact, they are defending it. Thousands of islamic schools in the west teach children that homosexuals must be slaughtered and that beating women is ok and that you can rape them, it's in Quran. And islam is not a religion, it is an ideology that has not been through enlightenment. Whenever you say something about this, the left starts to attack the messenger.

The left pretends their intentions are good. But good intentions can be evil. It's not hard to see where the real danger lies.
 

 

 

[John Adams]

Posted: 9/13/25 at 7:19pm

Broadway61004 said: "[...] there are way bigger and more important things we all should be worrying about. Unless you're getting excited for Vance 2028? Because that's where we're headed unless we start banding together to actually grow our base and come together."

I agree with you on that, and I certainly empathize with you re: the attacks and diversions re: gays, MAGA, etc. but...

Scattered amongst the clutter are posts that have relevance to and for me. ...possibly for others, too.

I agree that there are bigger and more important things to worry about, but as long as posters ALSO choose to be as dedicated offline about regularly contacting their local, state representatives to make themselves and their opinions known, what's the harm?

Fun fact: It literally takes the same amount of time and effort to address one's opinion to their state representative (via email) as it does to address it, here.

[MemorableUserName]

Posted: 9/13/25 at 7:32pm

Broadway61004 said: "Or how about we stop this red scare nonsense of "let's uncover anyone working on Broadway who has different beliefs than us". Do I agree with a single thing Kirk believed in? Absolutely not. But do I remotely care what celebrity did or did not? No, because there are way bigger and more important things we all should be worrying about. Unless you're getting excited for Vance 2028? Because that's where we're headed unless we start banding together to actually grow our base and come together.

And news flash: If you think Kristin Chenoweth, who has spent the last 30 years performing on Broadway and making appearances on things like Rupaul's Drag Race hates gay people? Because she probably just spoke too quickly to clarify what she meant when she posted something about someone dying? You either don't know a thing about the type of folks she's been working with on Broadway for the last 30 years or your analytical skills are way off."

It's interesting that both of your posts suggest people think Chenoweth might hate gay people and how ridiculous that is, when Kirk held a wide range of offensive beliefs against nearly anyone who wasn't a straight white Christian man. Her own post said that she didn't agree with him on everything (which at least suggests she agreed with him on some things...) "Didn’t always agree but appreciated some perspectives." I personally didn't see anyone suggesting it was the anti-gay stuff she appreciated...but that leaves a lot of other offensive things. It seems valid to wonder which of those perspectives she agreed with, even if they weren't the anti-gay ones.

And yes, with so much on the line in the next few elections (if they take place...), people may want to consider whether it's worth spending one's hard-earned money and three hours of their time on someone who supports some very offensive perspectives (even if not anti-gay) and will use their own money and time to do so.

[Robbie2]

Posted: 9/13/25 at 10:21pm

Kristin Chenoweth Faces Fan Blowback

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kristin-chenoweth-faces-fan-blowback-for-charlie-kirk-post/

 

[DanS3]

Posted: 9/14/25 at 12:31am

I’m not surprised that this thread went off the rails. 

I am, however, surprised how many MAGA-friendly people there are on this board.

I’m also surprised that KC didn’t think these posts (especially the reply to Selma Blair’s post) would be off putting to her fans. Calling college campuses “Cauldrons of indoctrination” is insulting. 
 

I am a KC fan and saw QOV in Boston. I found the show meh (and the tone very strange…especially after what happens to her daughter), but loved her in it. It saddens  me that she feels this way, but, she is entitled to her opinion. 

[BorisTomashevsky]

Posted: 9/14/25 at 1:06am

“I’m also surprised that KC didn’t think these posts (especially the reply to Selma Blair’s post) would be off putting to her fans.”

I guess she figured people would be reasonable enough to see the goodwill in what she was saying and not overreact. She gave too much credit. 

“I am, however, surprised how many MAGA-friendly people there are on this board.”

The Broadway audience is 60 percent tourist and a large number of those are conservatives.

There are theatres in the country run by conservatives.

A performer in Death Becomes Her refused to take a curtain call due to some perceived alienation experienced at the hand of conservative audience members. 

So it would follow that there are conservatives here. There are even more lurking. But if the quotas are wrong I’ll ask Conrad Ricamora to set up a fundraiser to balance things out. 

Boris! who is wondering how much interest all those donations have amassed, has spoken. 

[WldKingdomHM]

Posted: 9/14/25 at 1:51am

If we all can’t stand her now just get a refund or switch the tickets and go see Sherie 

[Ensemble1726583963]

Posted: 9/14/25 at 2:28am

I can almost guarantee that she could not name five things that Charlie Kirk stood for. I think it's sometimes easy to forget that not everyone is chronically online or dialled into all topics at all times. A lot of people saw a man murdered in a very shocking and graphic manner and it led them to post expressions of sadness and grief that feel out of place with the man that Charlie Kirk actually was. But I don't know how indicative it is of their or Kristin's beliefs, especially when much of the narrative has been that he was simply killed for expressing his views, which is odious to people of many political stripes.

[Seb28]

Posted: 9/14/25 at 5:30am

DanS3 said: "Calling college campuses “Cauldrons of indoctrination” is insulting."

But it's the truth. And it's costing lives.

[gibsons2]

Posted: 9/14/25 at 6:22am

Seb28 said: "There was nothing wrong with her message. It was kind and respectful. Killing is not the solution if you don't agree with someone's opinion. Period.

If you care at all about LGBTQ+ lives, you would share Kirk's concerns and criticism on islam. The left doesn't seem to do anything to stop their suppression and abuse of women and their goal of murdering of gay people, to name a few problems. In fact, they are defending it. Thousands of islamic schools in the west teach children that homosexuals must be slaughtered and that beating women is ok and that you can rape them, it's in Quran. And islam is not a religion, it is an ideology that has not been through enlightenment. Whenever you say something about this, the left starts to attack the messenger.

The left pretends their intentions are good. But good intentions can be evil. It's not hard to see where the real danger lies.




"

The New testament explicitly prohibits same sex marriage. So yes, two major religions, Christianity and Islam are the same when it comes to this issue.  Why didn't you mention that right wing conservative Republicans are actively trying to overturn legality of the same sex marriage? It's always a projection with you, hypocrites

[John Adams]

Posted: 9/14/25 at 7:06am

BorisTomashevsky said: "I’ll ask Conrad Ricamora to set up a fundraiser to balance things out."

OOOH, Conrad Ricamora! Give him my number, please!

 

[ColorTheHours048]

Posted: 9/14/25 at 7:59am

binau said: "I am asking you to please, please calm down and stop with this far left extremism that is now peak on display on this forum, this means:

1. Don't dismiss and call everyone 'MAGA' because they don't agree with absolutely everything you say - the idea of a purity test for being on the 'left' is why you're losing elections and public support absolutely everywhere, from the US, to the UK, to all across Europe."

“Kirk’s eulogists have praised him for his commitment to discourse, dialogue and good-faith discussion. Few if any of them have seen fit to mention the fact that Kirk’s first act on the national stage was to create a McCarthyite watchlist of college and university professors, lecturers and academics. Kirk urged visitors to the website to report those who ‘discriminate against conservative students and advance leftist propaganda in the classroom.’

The list, which still exists, is a catalog of speech acts in and outside the classroom. The surest way to find yourself on the watchlist as an academic is to disagree, publicly, with conservative ideology, or even acknowledge ideas and concepts that are verboten among the far right. And the obvious intent of the list is made clear at the end of each entry, where Kirk and his allies urge readers to contact the schools and institutions in question. Targets of the watchlist attest to harassment and threats of violence.”

Anyway…

[MemorableUserName]

Posted: 9/14/25 at 9:22am

For those who missed it, binau created a separate thread yesterday (now deleted) announcing they are leaving this forum. If true, it's too bad as it would have been interesting to see if they kept lecturing everyone in Bernadette's image about the evil of leftist cancel culture as more details come out in Kirk's case (the alleged killer was a young white guy from a deeply conservative family; the ongoing war between Kirk's far-right group and an even more extreme far-right group that spent the past few weeks attacking him as not being conservative enough...) 

Just kidding. No matter what comes out, they'd still be determined to blame "the left." The right-wing media that started by blaming liberals in the immediate aftermath had to pivot as more details came out (though they're still trying to blame the assassination on the trans somehow...), but not binau.

Their enthusiasm for the shows they love may be missed. Their lectures about politics in the United States (a country they don't live in) and constant haranguing in the guise of being a Very Reasonable Person, not so much.

[John Adams]

Posted: 9/14/25 at 9:54am

ColorTheHours048 said: "The list,which still exists, is a catalog of speech acts in and outside the classroom."

It's probably because I never use cookies unless I have to be logged in somewhere, but when I clicked the link, I got this message:

"You have wandered into something that doesn't work."

I love a good double entendre... 

 

[VernonGersch]

Posted: 9/14/25 at 9:57am

first and foremost, Selma Blair is suffering from severe mental illness.  Old friends of hers no longer speak with her.  KC piping up with that INANE comment was a really poor choice on her point.  This guy was NOT a good man in any sense of the word but political violence is not the answer.  Now that is out of the way: 

The show - saw it last summer in Boston - just isn't good, on any level.   Hoping that the genius that is Michael Arden can turn it around and make cuts (it ran looooooong) but a truly unlikable character in Jackie, music that wasn't all that terrific and totally unmemorable .  I wish for new shows to continue to thrive and employ - and wish no ill anytime to this show - but I suspect it will not succeed.  Also, Jackie and her husband were Trumpers and suspect no one wants to see that either. 

[SteveSanders]

Posted: 9/14/25 at 9:59am

Seb28 said: "DanS3 said: "Calling college campuses “Cauldrons of indoctrination” is insulting."

But it's the truth. And it's costing lives."

Much of life contains some form of inculcation or indoctrination of values, including:

• the families in which we are born
• the neighborhoods in which we reside
• the peers with whom we most interact
• the schools we attend
• the faith institutions we may support
• the organizations for whom we work
• the online communities in which we participate
• the media we consume

So many cauldrons!  Each with a range of potential values.

 

 

[John Adams]

Posted: 9/14/25 at 10:03am

VernonGersch said: "first and foremost, Selma Blair is suffering from severe mental illness."

Well... the only verifiable fact I can find on the internet is: "Selma Blair has been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis (MS), a chronic autoimmune disease that affects the central nervous system."

[John Adams]

Posted: 9/14/25 at 10:27am

That phrase, "cauldrons of indoctrination" was birthed by people who actually believed that an elementary school was being run by witches. At that time, the "cauldron" reference was restricted to only one elementary school.

How much value anyone places on its further use in connection with any other educational institution depends on how much value we continue to give it.

For example, its use in connection w/Cheno and Blair appears to be only a sentence fragment, lacking any context. 

That absence of context is important to me. For me, it's very easy to discount the sentence fragment altogether, because out of context, it holds no meaning other than a value we assign it (i.e., "It's not nice to call a school a 'cauldron of indoctrination'.)

Yes, that last statement is true for some (or most, ideally) , but WE injected it into the conversation; it did not not exist until we put it there.

I wish that there was less value placed on that phrase in connection to the Cheno/Blair conversation.

[DrMonicaDeMoneco]

Posted: 9/14/25 at 11:44am

Not that she owes anyone an explanation… but has she clarified her comment about Kirk: "Didn’t always agree but appreciated some perspectives.”

Or has her PR machine told her to zip it and stay off social media?

[John Adams]

Posted: 9/14/25 at 11:55am

DrMonicaDeMoneco said: "Not that she owes anyone an explanation… but has she clarified her comment about Kirk: "Didn’t always agree but appreciated some perspectives.”

Or has her PR machine told her to zip it and stay off socialmedia?"

She and I aren't on a first-name basis, but from what I read, I believe it's the latter.

[DrMonicaDeMoneco]

Posted: 9/14/25 at 12:01pm

LOL ok! 

[nmartin]

Posted: 9/14/25 at 12:01pm

Steve Sanders said, 

"Much of life contains some form of inculcation or indoctrination of values, including:

• the families in which we are born
• the neighborhoods in which we reside
• the peers with whom we most interact
• the schools we attend
• the faith institutions we may support
• the organizations for whom we work
• the online communities in which we participate
• the media we consume

So many cauldrons!  Each with a range of potential values."

Valid points.

Also, as a retired English teacher, I appreciate your correct usage of the objective case pronoun whom, a lost art.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 9/14/25 at 12:01pm

I think celebrities should just stay off social media altogether and we go back to the days where the most we knew about a famous person is what kind of cereal they bought when the tabloids snapped a photo of them at the grocery store or that they pumped their own gas at the gas station - “Celebrities, they’re just like us!” 

Because this online sleuthing were supposed to do now before consuming any piece of media, to make sure nobody involved has ever said or done anything in their life that might be personally questionable to one side of the aisle, is f**king exhausting. 

[Call_me_jorge]

Posted: 9/14/25 at 12:18pm

To add on to Jordan’s point, I’m honestly shocked celebrities don’t have secondary social media accounts that are private only to their closest friends and family. I don’t believe Kristin Chenoweth or Brittany Johnson, for instance, are naive enough to not expect their primary fan bases to be upset from their posts. 

[SteveSanders]

Posted: 9/14/25 at 12:28pm

Jordan Catalano said: "I think celebrities should just stay off social media altogether and we go back to the days where the most we knew about a famous person is what kind of cereal they bought when the tabloids snapped a photo of them at the grocery store or that they pumpedtheir own gas at the gas station - “Celebrities, they’re just like us!”

Yes, or simply do innocuous posts about their actual work, something that still seems quite common for many celebrities.