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Broadway61004 said: "[...] there are way bigger and more important things we all should be worrying about. Unless you're getting excited for Vance 2028? Because that's where we're headed unless we start banding together to actually grow our base and come together."

I agree with you on that, and I certainly empathize with you re: the attacks and diversions re: gays, MAGA, etc. but...

Scattered amongst the clutter are posts that have relevance to and for me. ...possibly for others, too.

I agree that there are bigger and more important things to worry about, but as long as posters ALSO choose to be as dedicated offline about regularly contacting their local, state representatives to make themselves and their opinions known, what's the harm?

Fun fact: It literally takes the same amount of time and effort to address one's opinion to their state representative (via email) as it does to address it, here.

Kristin Chenoweth Faces Fan Blowback

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kristin-chenoweth-faces-fan-blowback-for-charlie-kirk-post/

“I’m also surprised that KC didn’t think these posts (especially the reply to Selma Blair’s post) would be off putting to her fans.”

I guess she figured people would be reasonable enough to see the goodwill in what she was saying and not overreact. She gave too much credit.

“I am, however, surprised how many MAGA-friendly people there are on this board.”

The Broadway audience is 60 percent tourist and a large number of those are conservatives.

There are theatres in the country run by conservatives.

A performer in Death Becomes Her refused to take a curtain call due to some perceived alienation experienced at the hand of conservative audience members.

So it would follow that there are conservatives here. There are even more lurking. But if the quotas are wrong I’ll ask Conrad Ricamora to set up a fundraiser to balance things out.

Boris! who is wondering how much interest all those donations have amassed, has spoken.

I can almost guarantee that she could not name five things that Charlie Kirk stood for. I think it's sometimes easy to forget that not everyone is chronically online or dialled into all topics at all times. A lot of people saw a man murdered in a very shocking and graphic manner and it led them to post expressions of sadness and grief that feel out of place with the man that Charlie Kirk actually was. But I don't know how indicative it is of their or Kristin's beliefs, especially when much of the narrative has been that he was simply killed for expressing his views, which is odious to people of many political stripes.

Seb28 said: "There was nothing wrong with her message. It was kind and respectful. Killing is not the solution if you don't agree with someone's opinion. Period.

If you care at all about LGBTQ+ lives, you would share Kirk's concerns and criticism on islam. The left doesn't seem to do anything to stop their suppression and abuse of women and their goal of murdering of gay people, to name a few problems. In fact, they are defending it. Thousands of islamic schools in the west teach children that homosexuals must be slaughtered and that beating women is ok and that you can rape them, it's in Quran. And islam is not a religion, it is an ideology that has not been through enlightenment. Whenever you say something about this, the left starts to attack the messenger.

The left pretends their intentions are good. But good intentions can be evil. It's not hard to see where the real danger lies.




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The New testament explicitly prohibits same sex marriage. So yes, two major religions, Christianity and Islam are the same when it comes to this issue. Why didn't you mention that right wing conservative Republicans are actively trying to overturn legality of the same sex marriage? It's always a projection with you, hypocrites

binau said: "I am asking you to please, please calm down and stop with this far left extremism that is now peak on display on this forum, this means:

1. Don't dismiss and call everyone 'MAGA' because they don't agree with absolutely everything you say - the idea of a purity test for being on the 'left' is why you're losing elections and public support absolutely everywhere, from the US, to the UK, to all across Europe."

“Kirk’s eulogists have praised him for his commitment to discourse, dialogue and good-faith discussion. Few if any of them have seen fit to mention the fact that Kirk’s first act on the national stage was to create a McCarthyite watchlist of college and university professors, lecturers and academics. Kirk urged visitors to the website to report those who ‘discriminate against conservative students and advance leftist propaganda in the classroom.’

The list, which still exists, is a catalog of speech acts in and outside the classroom. The surest way to find yourself on the watchlist as an academic is to disagree, publicly, with conservative ideology, or even acknowledge ideas and concepts that are verboten among the far right. And the obvious intent of the list is made clear at the end of each entry, where Kirk and his allies urge readers to contact the schools and institutions in question. Targets of the watchlist attest to harassment and threats of violence.”

Anyway…

ColorTheHours048 said: "The list,which still exists, is a catalog of speech acts in and outside the classroom."

It's probably because I never use cookies unless I have to be logged in somewhere, but when I clicked the link, I got this message:

"You have wandered into something that doesn't work."

I love a good double entendre...

Seb28 said: "DanS3 said: "Calling college campuses “Cauldrons of indoctrination” is insulting."

But it's the truth. And it's costing lives."

Much of life contains some form of inculcation or indoctrination of values, including:

• the families in which we are born
• the neighborhoods in which we reside
• the peers with whom we most interact
• the schools we attend
• the faith institutions we may support
• the organizations for whom we work
• the online communities in which we participate
• the media we consume

So many cauldrons! Each with a range of potential values.

That phrase, "cauldrons of indoctrination" was birthed by people who actually believed that an elementary school was being run by witches. At that time, the "cauldron" reference was restricted to only one elementary school.

How much value anyone places on its further use in connection with any other educational institution depends on how much value we continue to give it.

For example, its use in connection w/Cheno and Blair appears to be only a sentence fragment, lacking any context.

That absence of context is important to me. For me, it's very easy to discount the sentence fragment altogether, because out of context, it holds no meaning other than a value we assign it (i.e., "It's not nice to call a school a 'cauldron of indoctrination'.)

Yes, that last statement is true for some (or most, ideally) , but WE injected it into the conversation; it did not not exist until we put it there.

I wish that there was less value placed on that phrase in connection to the Cheno/Blair conversation.

DrMonicaDeMoneco said: "Not that she owes anyone an explanation… but has she clarified her comment about Kirk: "Didn’t always agree but appreciated some perspectives.”

Or has her PR machine told her to zip it and stay off socialmedia?"

She and I aren't on a first-name basis, but from what I read, I believe it's the latter.

Steve Sanders said,

"Much of life contains some form of inculcation or indoctrination of values, including:

• the families in which we are born
• the neighborhoods in which we reside
• the peers with whom we most interact
• the schools we attend
• the faith institutions we may support
• the organizations for whom we work
• the online communities in which we participate
• the media we consume

So many cauldrons! Each with a range of potential values."

Valid points.

Also, as a retired English teacher, I appreciate your correct usage of the objective case pronoun whom, a lost art.

To add on to Jordan’s point, I’m honestly shocked celebrities don’t have secondary social media accounts that are private only to their closest friends and family. I don’t believe Kristin Chenoweth or Brittany Johnson, for instance, are naive enough to not expect their primary fan bases to be upset from their posts.