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[ErikJ972]

Posted: 12/4/15 at 9:14am

You kind of love arguing with yourself don't you Liza? Is being contrary the only way you know how to interact with people?

No one in this thread ever said that it could not be a case of international terrorism. At the time of your original post yesterday not one law enforcement agency or government official would come out and say it was terrorism. Some of us just don't like to jump to conclusions. Like you do. But no one here said that international terrorism was out of the realm of possibility.

But have fun arguing with yourself. It clearly makes you feel superior in some way. 

[Jane2]

Posted: 12/4/15 at 10:12am

How is that  "jumping to conclusions?" IMO,  it's obvious. What more do they need, the baby to say his parents told him they were terrorists?

 

 

[PalJoey]

Posted: 12/4/15 at 10:16am

 

Supposedly, according to law-enforcement sources, the FBI is now treating this as a counterterrorism case. In the days before the attack, the couple began attempting to erase their digital footprint. They deleted email accounts, disposed of hard drives and smashed their cellphones.

 

This could be fabricated, but it jives with what the Paris attackers did. It's probably the New Normal for terrorist attacks.

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 12/4/15 at 10:48am

Per The New York Times, "officials emphasized that they did not know what set off the attack, and said that they were not ready to call it terrorism."

 

That being said, I think we'd all be very surprised to find that it wasn't.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 12/4/15 at 11:02am

Soon, the band will have an epic meltdown along the lines of "Say you don't want dead cops! SAY YOU DON'T WANT DEAD COPS!" because it's very important we all say the exact same headband-approved things. 

[CarlosAlberto]

Posted: 12/4/15 at 11:23am

Calif. massacre shooter pledged allegiance to Islamic State -sources

 

 

U.S. investigators are evaluating evidence that Malik, a Pakistani native who had been living in Saudi Arabia when she married Farook, had pledged allegiance to Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, two U.S. officials told Reuters. They said the finding, if confirmed, could be a "game changer" in the investigation.

Updated On: 12/4/15 at 11:23 AM

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 12/4/15 at 11:32am

^ Aaaannndddd there ya have it... 

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 12/4/15 at 11:38am

Well, no you don't.

 

"If confirmed . . . " THEN there you have it.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 12/4/15 at 11:46am

 

Headband: You don't "win" if Tashfeen Malik radicalized her husband.

 

Remember that: YOU DON'T "WIN."

 

[haterobics]

Posted: 12/4/15 at 11:51am

I don't get when people claim victory when their unfounded speculation is proven true, as though that was a superior path than those who wait for factual information to be released by people who actually are investigating things.

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 12/4/15 at 12:14pm

The Times now has it as confirmed by law enforcement officials.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/us/tashfeen-malik-islamic-state.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

[Jane2]

Posted: 12/4/15 at 12:14pm

I get it.

[Auggie27]

Posted: 12/4/15 at 12:57pm

And to pick up my rant, Chuck Todd is once again splainin', this time to Andrea Mitchell, that the GOP should not be blamed for their toxic, hyperbolic rhetoric, such is the nature of politics (never mind that one wants to see leadership demonstrated during traumatic crises, lest our votes be tethered only to baby kissing skills). "There's a vacuum, and Obama must fill it!"  Says the impartial newsman, 4 times in 3 minutes.  He is now foreign policy adviser, sage, creep, troll, to paraphrase BOYS IN THE BAND (and who doesn't?)  

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 12/4/15 at 1:17pm

I'd go mad if I had to listen to any of those experts for more than a 20 minute chunk of time.

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 12/4/15 at 2:58pm

haterobics said: "I don't get when people claim victory when their unfounded speculation is proven true, as though that was a superior path than those who wait for factual information to be released by people who actually are investigating things."

^Aaaand there you have it.

[South Florida]

Posted: 12/4/15 at 3:04pm

Praying for us.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 12/4/15 at 3:10pm

[South Florida]

Posted: 12/4/15 at 3:23pm

I don't keep many friends on FB.  I have 33 friends and five of them are gun people.  This was my message today to them after a few days of writing nothing. 

"Anyone who has remained friends with me knows how I feel about gun violence. In fact, I did that word haze thing that is popular, and guns was my biggest word of the year , (here is where I named names) of my friends only people like you can bring about a rational change of policy. There is nothing the rest of us can do. It's on you guys to help us take some steps."

Hope it gets through.

[haterobics]

Posted: 12/4/15 at 3:31pm

South Florida said: "Anyone who has remained friends with me knows how I feel about gun violence."

 

Are there really that many differing opinions on gun violence?!

[South Florida]

Posted: 12/4/15 at 4:41pm

I still know people who think we should arm up more as a response to every one of these things, so yes.

[Jane2]

Posted: 12/4/15 at 4:46pm

I heard audio and read on line that both the DC Police chief and NY sheriff are encouraging those who have gun licenses to carry them.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 12/4/15 at 5:00pm

 

Lizzie Crocker and Dana Kennedy in Daily Beast offer the only plausible explanation so far as to why Syed and Tashfeen would shoot up a disability center: They had intended to use the guns and pipe bombs on a larger target, but something happened at the center. 

 

"It seems like they were preparing something big. Then something pissed him off at the holiday party and he went home and told Malik to put her body armor on.”

 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/04/is-tashfeen-malik-a-new-kind-of-female-terrorist.html

[Auggie27]

Posted: 12/4/15 at 5:57pm

Anyone else watch the press conference with the family attorneys?  Listening to one of them school us in the second amendment and explain that the massive stockpile of bullets is due to Homeland Security regs ("I'm a gun owner myself, they keep changing the rules about which bullets and how many you can buy..." was one of the more offensive moments. He then seriously trash-talked the President for mentioning guns in the aftermath. It's "not appropriate," because gun owners have rights.  This on the heels of two "gun owners" turning a holiday party into a massacre.  And tried to make a case that the motive may well prove to be entirely workplace related. And that we should'n't "stigmatize this woman" from Pakistani "who we don't know.".  Huh?  She fired an assault weapon at the cops chasing their getaway car, and abandoned her baby to create bloodbath. He literally tried to make a case that she's been unfairly "stereotypically characterized."  He ended giggling and grinning. It was one of the more bizarre moments in a press conference that attempted to paint this family as inadvertent victims of a cruel society. Innocent they are, very likely, yet 72 hours later the FBI's insistence of interviewing them for 7 hours was hardly proof of a callous, capricious bureaucracy.  The tone of the press conference was so wildly off, so infused with umbrage taken, it was black comedy.     

[Auggie27]

Posted: 12/4/15 at 5:57pm

Duplicate.

Updated On: 12/4/15 at 05:57 PM

[haterobics]

Posted: 12/4/15 at 6:19pm

South Florida said: "I still know people who think we should arm up more as a response to every one of these things, so yes."

 

That is a reaction to gun control. I think everyone is opposed to gun violence, though, no? I mean, the solutions from competing sides are radically from different world-views, but everyone seems to acknowledge it is an issue.