Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette- Page 2
Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette
#25Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette
Posted: 2/21/10 at 5:27pmBut SNAFU women are in general, physically weaker.
#26Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette
Posted: 2/21/10 at 5:56pm
I think you have to walk a fine line when it comes to a subject like this. IMO there's nothing wrong with teaching boys to hold the door for girls or anything like that. But they also should stress that the purpose of holding the door is not just because the other person is female, but because it's just common courtesy. Like Phyllis, I hold doors for whomever happens to be behind me, male or female.
Some of the other practices, like standing whenever a girl enters the room or always pulling out a girl's chair are a little outdated and as Snafu said, they hark from an era when women were considered by men to be the weaker sex. I don't think we should expect men in this day and age to rise from their seats every time a female enters.
#27Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette
Posted: 2/21/10 at 5:58pm
Yes they can be however I wasn't speaking about merely physical. Women being "The Weaker Sex" is more of a "Males are superior" mind set. Women were not allowed to make decisions, or hold office. They were not allowed to hold managerial jobs or even think of getting anywhere near equal pay. A woman's place was in the home (or if need be a steno pool).
I would hope that after all these years of the Women's Rights Movement and the progress it has made that even toying with returning to a etiquette that harkens back to the dark ages of Woman's Rights would raise a cry of concern.
#28Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette
Posted: 2/21/10 at 6:00pm
I applaud anyone teaching manners; I often feel parents don't do it anymore.
But I have big ol' problem with the gender-divide stuff.
#29Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette
Posted: 2/21/10 at 6:04pmExactly Reginald!
#30Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette
Posted: 2/21/10 at 6:04pmThank the lord I have never flet weak or been made to feel that way!
#31Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette
Posted: 2/21/10 at 6:10pm
But SNAFU women are in general, physically weaker.
Yes, in fact they are SO weak that they get winded opening a door or pulling out a chair.
#32Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette
Posted: 2/21/10 at 6:11pmI see nothing wrong with manners---while I understand the gender-bias issue others are raising, at least someone is teaching kids what manners are---maybe it will spill over into the real world. It doesn't have to apply to just women...
Phyllis Rogers Stone
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/16/07
#33Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette
Posted: 2/21/10 at 6:16pm
Except this article is all about the boys being taught to do things for women. Things that they should be able to do for themselves. They are not being taught to pull the chairs or to open the doors because it is the polite thing to do; they are being taught they are supposed to it for them because they are women.
Also, women probably wouldn't be so weak if they opened a door or pulled out a chair once in a while.
#34Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette
Posted: 2/21/10 at 6:22pm
"Yes, in fact they are SO weak that they get winded opening a door or pulling out a chair. "
How old are you?
#35Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette
Posted: 2/21/10 at 6:23pm
"Yes, in fact they are SO weak that they get winded opening a door or pulling out a chair. "
How old are you?
Saracasm, Jane, sarcasm.
#36Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette
Posted: 2/21/10 at 6:27pmObscure, TheatreFan, obscure.
#37Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette
Posted: 2/21/10 at 6:58pm
TheatreFan, that made me laugh, even if others didn't get it.
What I want to know is do the boys all have to stand at the beginning of class every time a girl comes into the classroom? It would be tedious to stand up 15 times in 3 minutes as they're trying to get settled themselves.
Wanting life but never knowing how
#38Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette
Posted: 2/21/10 at 6:59pm
i hate it when people do things because society says they're supposed to do it. i can't even count the number of times someone has held open the door for me at school, simply because i'm on crutches. most of the time, i can open the door myself, and if i can't, that's what those new fangled technology cripple door openin' buttons on the wall are for - and besides, the school doors stay open on their own for 60 seconds after they're opened - you don't need to hold the door for me. you can let go and it will stay open.
it especially pisses me off when it's a narrow doorway and them holding it open means that other people, myself included, can not get past them.
you holding the door open for me* when i'm perfectly capable of opening it myself = me looking vulnerable and helpless, two things that i am NOT and do not want to be portrayed as.
*it's different if someone was holding the door open for a line or for a group of students all at once, but when they stand there and wait me to come so they can hold open the door, that's another thing. it makes it look like i can't go anything for myself, and makes me feel like crap.
Ugly is beautiful
"My brother plays a drag queen... and I'm surprised he looks as good as he does in drag." - Adam Rapp
"thanks, abba. now i'll forever have an image of you as a tattoed hardcore straightedge grrl savaging people in the mosh pit." - papalovesmambo
"Yeah Abba. All the filthy crap you spew out there on those boards. I for one, am equally shocked. :-P" - AnnaK
#39Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette
Posted: 2/21/10 at 7:09pm
"even if others didn't get it"
What's there not to get? I think the sarcasm was too obscure in the context of the discussion.
#40Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette
Posted: 2/21/10 at 7:10pm
"Also, women probably wouldn't be so weak if they opened a door or pulled out a chair once in a while."
Don't worry Phyll, men don't do it for them anymore!
TheatreDiva90016
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/10/04
#41Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette
Posted: 2/21/10 at 7:27pm
Abba,
It's called being polite.
How many doors do you come across that do not have the automatic opener>
Maybe smile and say something like, "Thanks, but I can get this myself."
#42Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette
Posted: 2/21/10 at 7:28pm
Do you ever read those articles where Christian leaders are saying "you can't do this because it's offensive to Jews/Muslims/Sikhs!"? And the general feedback is that Jews/Muslims/Sikhs really don't find it offensive at all? And so the conclusion you draw is that sometimes people are trying far too hard to be offended on behalf of other people?
How interesting that boys think being polite to ladies is condescending, and girls think that good manners are fine and dandy and not patronising in the least.
#43Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette
Posted: 2/21/10 at 7:33pm
Ok, I'll accept that girls and women don't find it condescending, if you say so.
But can someone articulate exactly why I'm supposed to stand up when a female enters the room? As Phyllis and others have said, I hold the door for anyone, I yield when exiting an elevator, I offer my seat to anyone who looks as though they need it more than I do.
But the notion of being extra super-duper solicitious of girls and women I honestly don't understand. But I'd be happy to learn.
#44Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette
Posted: 2/21/10 at 7:36pmBecause women are better than us & we know it...
Phyllis Rogers Stone
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/16/07
#45Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette
Posted: 2/21/10 at 7:37pm
And the answer can't be "it's just polite" because it's NOT just polite.
And, as I'm the one who used the word "condescending," I want the record to show that I never said nor tried to imply that simply being polite to a woman was being condescending.
Updated On: 2/21/10 at 07:37 PM
#46Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette
Posted: 2/21/10 at 7:41pm
"But can someone articulate exactly why I'm supposed to stand up when a female enters the room"
I'm not aware of that practice and it sounds silly to me.
Being polite to others doesn't necessarily mean that the other person is not able to do something, so you have to do it for them. For instance, haven't you ever dropped something and another person picks it up for you? Of course you are capable of picking it up yourself, and the polite person knows it too. However, they want to do something nice. If you don't want to do these things, don't!
What does that have to do with the topic? Well, at this point in our evolution, I think that men know very well that a woman can open a door and pull out a chair for themselves. They only do it to be polite. Don't do it if you don't want to.
ShbrtAlley44
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/1/03
#47Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette
Posted: 2/21/10 at 7:44pmI don't think it's necessary for men to stand when a woman enters a room, but it's a sign of respect. I applaud this guy for teaching the kids manners (note in the article the girls are reminded to thank the boys). Updated On: 2/21/10 at 07:44 PM
Phyllis Rogers Stone
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/16/07
#48Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette
Posted: 2/21/10 at 7:47pmWhy is it a sign of respect? Because outdated codes of etiquette say it is? Updated On: 2/21/10 at 07:47 PM
#49Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette
Posted: 2/21/10 at 7:48pm
Because if I read the article correctly, the entire point was teaching boys to "be polite" to girls--standing when they enter a room, holding their chair out for them.
Videos