Who do you believe killed JFK?- Page 8

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 11/23/13 at 1:03pm

Mr Hill is not biased. He simply may have more of a right to speak from a position of first hand knowledge as he was there when it happened.

Updated On: 11/23/13 at 01:03 PM

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 11/23/13 at 1:30pm

And more than 50 witnesses said they heard shots coming from the fence on the grassy knoll.

I tend to go with quantity here.

[suestorm]

Posted: 11/23/13 at 1:49pm

PAL JOEY. REGINALD AND JIM COYLER. you gentlemen agree and are the most vocal about no conspiracy.

I respectfully ask you to watch"Trauma Room" on CSPAN3 American History.its a long interview with Dr Jones and Dr Mccallum the 2 Drs who operated on jfk at Parkland Hospital.

1. They talk about the differences in what they found and what was in the WC.
2. The differences between their findings and the findings of the Government's autopsy at Naval Hospital.
3. How they handed hundreds of gunshot wounds . The gov't Drs had not.
4The ridiculous Magic Bullet (which was found clean on an empty cot )
5. And Arlen Spectors (who I vented The Magic Bullet Theory) ridiculous suggestions to them.

Updated On: 11/23/13 at 01:49 PM

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 11/23/13 at 1:53pm

Jones is the one I believe who has the book coming out on it

Amazing how the bullet just fell out of his head blood free onto a gurney. Were forensic tests ever done on it to prove it came from the alledged rifle?

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 11/23/13 at 2:00pm

Hey! You were wrong about W being blocked more than Obama has been, weren't you?

[suestorm]

Posted: 11/23/13 at 2:28pm

""Amazing how the bullet just fell out of his head blood free onto a gurney. Were forensic tests ever done on it to prove it came from the alledged rifle""

If one didn't think the Government could do no wrong one might think it was planted there

[PalJoey]

Posted: 11/23/13 at 2:44pm

Were forensic tests ever done on it to prove it came from the alledged rifle?

Yes. The thing about the conspiracy theories is that there is not a single element to them that doesn't fall apart when analyzed.

That said, there were tens of thousands of people who wanted the president dead. And there tens of dozens of mistakes and irregularities in the various investigations. But not a single person has ever been proved to have been involved. In 50 years. Not one.

The real lazy thinkers are the ones who hear about a "new" anomaly (new to them, but after 50 years, nothing is now), and with only the slightest and most superficial of thought processes, they declare "Aha! A smoking gun!"

Clint Hill says at the end of Five Days in November that Prsident Kennedy would not have wanted his legacy to be a debate about how he died. He would want his legacy to be a discussion about the values for which he stood.

Updated On: 11/23/13 at 02:44 PM

[PalJoey]

Posted: 11/23/13 at 3:02pm

And more than 50 witnesses said they heard shots coming from the fence on the grassy knoll.

I tend to go with quantity here.

Then why did everyone else (far more than 50) look up to the right rear of the limousine, in the direction of the Texas Schoolbook Depository? And why did the police and newsman who ran to the fence immediately see nothing?

Because the shots didn't come from there and there was no one running away.

Updated On: 11/23/13 at 03:02 PM

[suestorm]

Posted: 11/23/13 at 3:05pm

""Yes. The thing about the conspiracy theories is that there is not a single element to them that doesn't fall apart when analyzed. ""

The Warren Commission falls apart faster then a cheap suit. There is no more criticized and ridiculed report in American History

[PalJoey]

Posted: 11/23/13 at 3:11pm

And no proven alternative to its conclusion: One gun. One shooter. Three bullets.

All the rest is crazy.

[suestorm]

Posted: 11/23/13 at 3:31pm

The govt coverup. They destroyed tons of evidence.

I guess some people will believe anything the government tells them.
Its very Soviet like.

[JohnBoy2]

Posted: 11/23/13 at 3:35pm

JFK's head wounds are only consistent with a bullet entering from behind, at precisely where LHO was. Even if there were someone shooting from the grassy knoll (absolutely zero evidence of this), they missed. In frame 312 of the Zapruder film, the President's head fine. In frame 313 it is forward by over two inches, and brain and bone are propelled into the air, in FRONT of him. His head snaps back, after that, and the forensics proves that this is due to nerve damage in the brain, causing his back muscles to tighten, forcing his head back. There is no magic bullet, no head going the wrong way, etc. The facts are the facts, proven by evidence and science. Everything else is a fairy tale.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 11/23/13 at 3:37pm

I guess some people will believe anything the government tells them.
Its very Soviet like.

No, it's not. It's not at all Soviet like.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 11/23/13 at 4:19pm

Before it's shut down, here's the debate from CNN last night between "Dr." Cyril Wecht, king if the conspiracy theorists, and Gerald Posner, the author of the classic book Case Closed:

http://www.cnn.com/video/standard.html?/video/bestoftv/2013/11/23/ac-panel-conspiracies.cnn&video_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com

[suestorm]

Posted: 11/23/13 at 4:42pm

If Posner is your source thats bad. Hes a liar and has no credibility. He was fired for multiple acts of plagiarism

 More Posner Plagiarism

 Veteran reporter Gerald Posner is a repeat offender. But this isn't the only example of Posner pinching copy without attribution. Slate reader Gregory Gelembuik and I have uncovered additional examples of plagiarism by Posner in the Daily Beast from the Texas Lawyer, a Miami Herald blog, a Miami Herald editorial, a Miami Herald article, and a health care journalism blog. 

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/press_box/2010/02/more_posner_plagiarism.html 

[PalJoey]

Posted: 11/23/13 at 4:50pm

You lie as easily as you cut and paste.

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 11/23/13 at 5:06pm

If he plagiarized accurate information, that still makes it accurate.

[suestorm]

Posted: 11/23/13 at 6:25pm

JUNGLE he used other peoples material. Numerous times. Presented as his own. Thats dishonest. Thats a crime. Destroys any credibility he may have. He can't be trusted.

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 11/23/13 at 6:49pm

If it was not a conspiracy why the shady dealings such as the missing brain, different reports done after the shooting and the silencing of Oswald so he could not spill the beans. Ruby was known to have mob ties and got into an alledged secure place with a gun with no problem. Somebody got paid off to let him in.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 11/23/13 at 6:53pm

He used other peoples material. Numerous times. Presented as his own. Thats dishonest. Thats a crime. Destroys any credibility he may have. He can't be trusted.

Are you speaking of yourself? Because that's what this entire board thinks of you.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 11/23/13 at 9:42pm

Ruby was known to have mob ties and got into an alledged secure place with a gun with no problem. Somebody got paid off to let him in.

...but the whole nation presumably wanted Oswald dead at this point?

[JohnBoy2]

Posted: 11/23/13 at 11:45pm

At 11:17 Jack Ruby was in a Western Union office and had just finished sending a money gram. On a whim, he decided to go to the police station. By 11:21, he had shot Oswald. Had the person in front of him at the Western Union office taken a minute longer, even 30 seconds longer, Oswald would not have been killed. Hardly a planned event. His sister testified that he was overwhelmed with grief at the death of Kennedy. More than the death of his own parents. On a whim, he decided he would be a hero if he killed the most hated man in America.

[Master Bates]

Posted: 11/24/13 at 3:07am

So, you're saying the person in front of him at the Western Union office was in on the conspiracy too?

[JohnBoy2]

Posted: 11/24/13 at 9:19am

Yes! There's no other explanation.

[broadwayguy2]

Posted: 11/24/13 at 9:57am

Again, I am not delving into whether or not there was a cover up, a plot or anything else. I only want to speak as someone who has spent time in Dealey Plaza and as someone who now lives in an urban environment..and hopefully appeal to some common experiences.
If any of us have had the experience of firing a weapon, even in an open space, the piercing crack will echo off of surfaces and sometimes be hard to place, depending on where you are. If you were standing in certain places, you would instantly be able to place the sound from the Depository and turn in time to see someone at the window. Were you near the 'grassy knoll', you'd hear more of the reflection of sound off of hard surfaces behind you. The sound would be echoed in the Plaza.

Updated On: 11/24/13 at 09:57 AM