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More bad judgment.



NBC: Sanders Under Fire for Supporter's '"Corporate Democratic Whores' Remarks



http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/sanders-under-fire-supporters-whores-remarks-n555846

He may have denounced it but supporters like you and Borstal have been using language like that all along. It wasn't an isolated incident. It's a symptom of a negative campaign--and something even more troubling. Bernie's penchant for painting an us-vs.-them portrait of mainstream Democrats versus followers of his revolution has created a "Bernie-or-bust" atmosphere that could easily result in a lack of turnout and Republican congressional victories all over the country. This would be tragic for the progressive cause.

Updated On: 4/14/16 at 01:01 PM

There were NOT 27,000 people in Washington Square Park. That's just nonsense.

Obama got 24,000 in 2008. The real estimates are 6,500 inside the park and another 5,000 spilling outside, less than half of what Obama got.

Which makes a lot more sense.

Bernie supporters online are saying it was actually 50,000. lol

PalJoey said: "He may have denounced it but supporters like you and Borstal have been using language like that all along. It wasn't an isolated incident. It's a symptom of a negative campaign--and something even more troubling. Bernie's penchant for painting an us-vs.-them portrait of mainstream Democrats versus followers of his revolution has created a "Bernie-or-bust" atmosphere that could easily result in a lack of turnout and Republican congressional victories all over the country. This would be tragic for the progressive cause."

And that is A LIE. I have never used a derogatory term against Clinton. I've never said anything misogynistic about her. Not once. I've also avoided making blanket statements about Clinton supporters here...even when I was being egged on by trolls.

You and your fellow Clinton supporters have not done the same. I've been called a misogynist, stupid, ignorant of politics etc.

But hey if I was a Clinton supporter I guess I would resort to the same tactics to avoid talking about her disastrous record.

Hillary, Bernie and the DNC join forces to jointly sue the State of Arizona over its disastrous primary election (Washington Post).



Now, this is the kind of cooperation I love to see and gives me some small glimmer of hope that when this hard fought primary is over, both sides will again join forces to defeat the Republican nominee.

I wonder if they're going to continue throwing only softball questions to Bernie tonight instead of calling him out on the truly nasty path his campaign had decided to go down.

She had a persuasive night, by any definition. This election is a job audition, not a test for ideological purity. Tonight she basically said, eloquently, "hire me," and the obvious reasons for responding pragmatically with "I will" were presented with clarity, nuance, integrity. But if we must nitpick, the moment that she owned the earned votes, and her resulting presidential gravitas: when she fairly challenged Sanders to cite a single action that proved her abject loyalty to Wall Street, and he could only regurgitate recycled snippets of his stump speech. If the central thesis in his ad hominem attack cannot be translated, grounded in provable , illustrative action taken by Clinton, his argument implodes.

Updated On: 4/14/16 at 11:32 PM

His chuckling during the gun talk and her "it's not funny" (or however she phrased it) will be a TV ad by tomorrow. I don't think she won the night, and I don't think he did either. This debate almost seemed like a waste of time with the two of them having the same conversation we've heard them having for months now. It was almost like getting excited for a new episode of your favorite show only to find out it was a rerun.

I was bored out of my mind while watching last night's debate. It did little to alter my view of Hillary as a slightly agitated policy wonk with a full command of the issues and a pragmatic approach to achieving resolution by working within the system to the extent practical. She wears wonk with a pragmatic bodice well btw. But Bernie...o' Bernie. The chuckling and smirks did you no favors.

The thing that I've always found off-putting about Bernie is his under-reported opportunistic streak coupled with a slight detachment from reality. This is a man who went from signing up with VT's Liberty Union (LU) party at the start of his political career which resulted in no success. From there he ditched the LU party to run for Mayor of Burlington taking out Democratic and LU rivals alike. The pattern continued from there to the US House of Representatives and eventually to the US Senate where he caucuses with Democrats whenever expedient.

Bernie has never held membership in a Congressional committee that oversees either appropriations (aka federal budget), armed services, banking, homeland security, or foreign relations. I see scant experience in herding cats on his congressional resume. He's railed against the system from the periphery throughout most of his tenure. To me, that's the hallmark of a polemicist rather than a Great Conciliator. Gridlock has become synonymous with the Congress. I've never been convinced that Bernie could break the logjam on the most contentious issues that the next Chief Executive and Congress will face.

Updated On: 4/15/16 at 05:30 AM

She was her usual, pandering self and he was snide and off-putting. She killed it on women's health and he scored with his comments on Israel (which I don't think Americans give a crap about, even as it comes out of their paycheck). The audience was obnoxious. Heaven help us.



"This election is a job audition, not a test for ideological purity."

This comment I find particularly depressing. Morality does matter.

Updated On: 4/15/16 at 10:31 AM