clinton vs. sanders your vote?- Page 134

[StageManager2]

Posted: 4/26/16 at 10:59pm

Updated On: 4/26/16 at 10:59 PM

[Auggie27]

Posted: 4/27/16 at 8:48am

I've been firmly in Clinton's camp as one can be, and even after Monday's interview with Maddow -- that appalling moment when Clinton was required to defend her campaign's success, not her failure -- still believe Sanders should play this out to the end.  He asked for those $27 from many, and owes them a full run.  I get that.  He will probably wisely pivot and press his platform vision, and stop trying to shame people who are Clinton supporters. Millbank in the WaPo today said he will do just that, because he's "not a fool."  Should he spend the next 6 weeks denigrating Clinton or those who've voted for her, he will only create a bitter legacy. He's not a saint, he has an ego, which means he'd like to continue his mission into 2017, and be remembered for it. His supporters?  Not so clear.  The snark on FB the last two days is off the charts ugly. Unprecedented.

[madbrian]

Posted: 4/27/16 at 8:59am

"The snark on FB the last two days is off the charts ugly. Unprecedented."

 

Not unprecedented.  Not all that different from 2008.  If Sanders want this movement to persist beyond this campaign, he needs to do two things: he needs to vigorously campaign for Clinton and other down-ticket Dems, and he needs to revive these voters in 2018.  Too often, the Dems do great in presidential elections, then throw it all away in mid-terms.

[best12bars]

Posted: 4/27/16 at 9:11am

I don't get the feeling that Sanders wants anything other than Sanders. He's not for a movement, he's for himself. He's shown little interest in furthering anything other than himself at this point. Hillary is the opposite. She is working toward her own movement of progress, not just on her own campaign. That's how you get things done.

It's not surprising that Bernie appeals to young white privileged millennials who consider themselves edgy and trendy when they are far from it. It's the age of "I'm in it for me." 

[SonofMammaMiaSam]

Posted: 4/27/16 at 9:18am

Amen, brother besty!

[madbrian]

Posted: 4/27/16 at 9:28am

If the current goal is to unite the party, I'm not sure denigrating Sanders and his supporters is the appropriate tack.

 

[Steve C.]

Posted: 4/27/16 at 9:46am

Bernie? Unite? That's why less than 15 minutes after RI was declared, Sanders sent out another fundraising email calling HRC a "traitor" and including a photo of her at Trump's daughters' wedding...

Bernie? Unite? Those two words will never be in the same sentence!

 

[HorseTears]

Posted: 4/28/16 at 3:13am

Some of my friends are definitely in AP Bernie Math.  

 

 

 

Updated On: 4/28/16 at 03:13 AM

[binau]

Posted: 4/28/16 at 4:07am

Funny video. Anyway, I'm sure Bernie will drop out when Hillary has enough delegates to secure the nomination - she doesn't yet.

As far as uniting the party, I do have mixed feelings about this. In terms of practicality he should ask his supporters to vote for Clinton because the risk of losing the election to a Republican (Trump or Cruz in particular) would be detrimental for both Clinton and Sanders' cause. However, I do agree that in theory it would be better if Hillary could persuade them to support her by presenting policies that are appealing enough to support her. I think her victory speech on April 26 was a good step towards this. I like her words around "there is more that unites than divides us" and reinforcing her vision for America that, at a high level at least, is indeed similar to Sanders'. 

Updated On: 4/28/16 at 04:07 AM

[PalJoey]

Posted: 4/28/16 at 11:29am

 

"We got to the end in June [2008], and I did not put down conditions. I didn’t say, ‘You know what, if Senator Obama does X, Y and Z, maybe I’ll support him. I said, ‘I am supporting Senator Obama, because no matter what our differences might be, they pale in comparison to the differences between us and the Republicans.’ That’s what I did."

--Hillary Clinton, yesterday

 

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 4/28/16 at 11:40am

Who the hell does Barney think he is to set conditions? He's not the nominee. He's not going to be President. He doesn't get to set conditions. He and his ridiculous wife need to go back to the Vatican and pray for some damn common sense. 

[StageManager2]

Posted: 4/28/16 at 11:52am

 I loved how she corrected Maddow, when she started to say, "If you're ahead in the votes [by the time of California]...." and Hillary was, like, "I am ahead, Rachel! I'm way ahead in votes!" LOL! But seriously, I'm so sick of the media still trying to make it a horse race and giving people false hope.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 4/28/16 at 11:55am

I don't even think it's the media going people false hope. It's the people themselves that are doing that. 

It's perfectly summed up in this Funny or Die video - 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78_FI08czpQ

[StageManager2]

Posted: 4/28/16 at 12:38pm

Yes, that's true, but the media has also been treating this as a horse race for far too long. That hasn't been the case since Super Tuesday (March 1), when she won big and pulled far ahead, and pulled ahead even farther two weeks later (March 15), After that, Sanders had, like, 8 consecutive wins, which helped him to whittle her lead of 300+ pledged delegates down to 200+, but with her recent wins in NY and this past Tuesday, she managed to erase any gains he had made in those three weeks, and now her lead is back up to 300+. It's obvious that the media (especially MSNBC) has been trying to make it a contest, possibly for ratings and hits, because the race has been over for almost two months.

[madbrian]

Posted: 4/28/16 at 2:49pm

Some very promising news from the Sanders camp: a PAC is being formed to focus on midterm elections.

 

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/28/this_is_what_the_revolution_looks_like_former_sanders_staffers_are_launching_a_new_pac_aimed_at_midterm_congressional_elections/

Updated On: 4/28/16 at 02:49 PM

[javero]

Posted: 4/28/16 at 3:26pm

Promising news indeed.  I think they're onto something.  If all goes according to plan, the GOP will lose control of the Senate via the upcoming election.  Then the 2018 midterm elections become the perfect target to consolidate the lead by wresting the House away from the GOP as well.  At first blush, this appears to be the genesis of another viable 3rd party after my own Libertarian Party.  I'm not a huge fan of the 2 major parties but will continue to support the Dems because the GOP is morally bankrupt.

Updated On: 4/28/16 at 03:26 PM

[brdlwyr]

Posted: 4/28/16 at 4:13pm

That is excellent news - 2010 - biggest failure by a party in decades!  So many people suffer under the tyranny of these awful red state governors and legislatures.  For example, reproductive choice has basically been eliminated in all areas of the country other than larger northern and western cities!

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 4/28/16 at 5:43pm

Anyone else see the irony of a Sanders supporters have a PAC to advance their interests after all of the attacks on Clinton for having one?

Don't get me wrong, I agree with what they are doing, but it does make some of the attacks against Clilnton ring pretty hollow.

[binau]

Posted: 4/28/16 at 10:21pm

YouWantitWhen???? said: "Anyone else see the irony of a Sanders supporters have a PAC to advance their interests after all of the attacks on Clinton for having one?

Don't get me wrong, I agree with what they are doing, but it does make some of the attacks against Clilnton ring pretty hollow.

 

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There is no irony. The issue Sanders and Sanders supporters have (and indeed, even Hillary herself, though it seems slightly incongruent with her donation sources) is when PACs reflect big money interests and not the interests of the people. The PAC you are referring to is the complete opposite of this - the whole purpose of it is to help advocate for the interests of the grassroots. 

Updated On: 4/28/16 at 10:21 PM

[South Florida]

Posted: 4/28/16 at 10:59pm

"Who the hell does Barney think he is to set conditions? He's not the nominee. He's not going to be President. He doesn't get to set conditions."

Why be so combative?  The best coming together of our party involves a common platform, not one that the ideals of income inequality are not addressed.  Not one that allows Wall Street free reign, don't you think you have to make some of the issues Bernie has galvanized into the platform, dosen't it make sense?

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 4/28/16 at 11:01pm

[PalJoey]

Posted: 4/28/16 at 11:46pm

PACs are okay if I do them but not if you do.

It's okay for the gun manufacturers to have free reign but not for Wall Street.

It's okay for me to say Hillary gives Wall Street free reign but it's not okay for you to say that Bernie gives the gun manufacturers free reign.

Anything Bernie does is pure. Anything Hillary does is corrupt.

Got all that? Okay, maybe I'll support you. 

Updated On: 4/29/16 at 11:46 PM

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 4/29/16 at 2:10am

I would love to see the RFP for a PAC that Sanders may support.  

[madbrian]

Posted: 4/29/16 at 7:35am

While the idea of this PAC is promising, I'd hate for it to become the left's equivalent of the Tea Party, only supporting candidates who can pass some ideological purity test.  

[javero]

Posted: 4/29/16 at 1:41pm

"While the idea of this PAC is promising, I'd hate for it to become the left's equivalent of the Tea Party, only supporting candidates who can pass some ideological purity test."

I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt, but I suspect that's where they're headed.  Sanders and his supporters have created a fissure in the Democratic Party.  I have a few younger family members who support Sanders and who will be dropping their party affiliation right after casting a vote for Hillary in the general election.

Similarly, a friend of mine who's a GOP stalwart insists that his party is now split into 3 rival groups, namely, the Tea Party fringe, Christian zealots, and the Trumpsters.  He's even thinking of abandoning the party altogether for the Libertarian Party.

This election is turning into a watershed moment for GOP voters sick of the establishment and Indies/Young Dems who aren't fond of the 2 major parties.  As a member of the Libertarian Party, I welcome the competition for the hearts, minds, and votes of the electorate.  Not all of us fit neatly into one of the two boxes available and not all issues can be encoded in binary.

ETA: Thank you spell check for butchering watershed moment earlier.

Updated On: 4/30/16 at 01:41 PM